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Aliens are reported on a daily basis, in particular on YouTube. However,
and invariably, they are shaky, blurred, indistinct things. Only the
POV-Ray telescope is able to show alien ships in all their pristine
splendour coming to us from deep space.
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Thomas
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On 05/03/2015 13:15, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Aliens are reported on a daily basis, in particular on YouTube. However,
> and invariably, they are shaky, blurred, indistinct things. Only the
> POV-Ray telescope is able to show alien ships in all their pristine
> splendour coming to us from deep space.
I like.
It reminds me of Ouroboros. I actually tried to grab it with my mouse to
rotate it.
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Stephen
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On 5-3-2015 15:33, Stephen wrote:
> On 05/03/2015 13:15, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> Aliens are reported on a daily basis, in particular on YouTube. However,
>> and invariably, they are shaky, blurred, indistinct things. Only the
>> POV-Ray telescope is able to show alien ships in all their pristine
>> splendour coming to us from deep space.
>
> I like.
> It reminds me of Ouroboros. I actually tried to grab it with my mouse to
> rotate it.
>
LOL
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On 03/05/2015 08:15 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Aliens are reported on a daily basis, in particular on YouTube. However,
> and invariably, they are shaky, blurred, indistinct things. Only the
> POV-Ray telescope is able to show alien ships in all their pristine
> splendour coming to us from deep space.
like the scaly texture ... procedural or uv mapped
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On 5-3-2015 17:15, James Holsenback wrote:
>
> like the scaly texture ... procedural or uv mapped
uv mapped. I first made an orthographic shot in POV-Ray of a cells
pattern; then I edited that image in GIMP and IC, making different
versions, for use as pigment-, normal-, and finish-maps.
The ship itself is a highly asymmetrical, organic, object, originally
loosely inspired by the alien ship in Alien and Prometheus. UV-edges
have been pretty randomly chosen at first and later edited where necessary.
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Le 05/03/2015 14:15, Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> Aliens are reported on a daily basis, in particular on YouTube. However,
> and invariably, they are shaky, blurred, indistinct things. Only the
> POV-Ray telescope is able to show alien ships in all their pristine
> splendour coming to us from deep space.
Space aliens snail?
Good image, start for a story?
--
Lionel
<b>Do not judge my words, judge my actions.</b>
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antivirus Avast.
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On 6-3-2015 16:23, FractRacer wrote:
> Space aliens snail?
> Good image, start for a story?
>
Thanks; no story; just messing around (keeps me from the streets) ;-)
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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degroot org> wrote:
> Aliens are reported on a daily basis, in particular on YouTube. However,
> and invariably, they are shaky, blurred, indistinct things. Only the
> POV-Ray telescope is able to show alien ships in all their pristine
> splendour coming to us from deep space.
> --
> Thomas
Hi Thomas,
that is a very good start indeed, but I see some options for improvements.
First, the structure looks great, but too many areas are lost in the shadows.
This seems to be a general problem with space scenes, since one has only one
light source (star) close by. May be a binary star can solve this. The orbiter
can still have a different color in this case. The second issue is the engine
glow. IMO it should have more turbulence at the edges. Otherwise really great.
Best regards,
Michael
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On 6-3-2015 21:00, MichaelJF wrote:
> that is a very good start indeed, but I see some options for improvements.
> First, the structure looks great, but too many areas are lost in the shadows.
> This seems to be a general problem with space scenes, since one has only one
> light source (star) close by. May be a binary star can solve this. The orbiter
> can still have a different color in this case. The second issue is the engine
> glow. IMO it should have more turbulence at the edges. Otherwise really great.
>
Thanks Michael. Shadows are a problem in (deep) space scenes. It the
reason why I have put Neptune to the left of the image. It reflects part
of the sunlight on the ship with a bluish tint. Making the ship of a
lighter colour helps too.
I agree about the turbulence. I started to work on that and then got
distracted by other things...
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Thomas de Groot wrote on 05/03/2015 14.15:
> Aliens are reported on a daily basis, in particular on YouTube. However,
> and invariably, they are shaky, blurred, indistinct things. Only the
> POV-Ray telescope is able to show alien ships in all their pristine
> splendour coming to us from deep space.
It seems an ancient and mysterious ship. I don't dare to imagine what
strange kind of creatures may live (?) on it.
;-)
Paolo
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On 9-3-2015 9:26, Paolo Gibellini wrote:
> It seems an ancient and mysterious ship. I don't dare to imagine what
> strange kind of creatures may live (?) on it.
> ;-)
Indeed. Indeed.
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A few changes.
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Le 15-03-06 15:00, MichaelJF a écrit :
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> Aliens are reported on a daily basis, in particular on YouTube. However,
>> and invariably, they are shaky, blurred, indistinct things. Only the
>> POV-Ray telescope is able to show alien ships in all their pristine
>> splendour coming to us from deep space.
>> --
>> Thomas
>
> Hi Thomas,
>
> that is a very good start indeed, but I see some options for improvements.
> First, the structure looks great, but too many areas are lost in the shadows.
> This seems to be a general problem with space scenes, since one has only one
> light source (star) close by. May be a binary star can solve this. The orbiter
> can still have a different color in this case. The second issue is the engine
> glow. IMO it should have more turbulence at the edges. Otherwise really great.
>
> Best regards,
> Michael
>
>
I can't think of any source of turbulence in the vacuum of space.
Once the gas/plasma leave the engines *realy, realy* fast, each of it's
particles goes in a straight line, mostly indepently from the others.
Alain
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On 12-3-2015 4:12, Alain wrote:
> Le 15-03-06 15:00, MichaelJF a écrit :
>> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>>> Aliens are reported on a daily basis, in particular on YouTube. However,
>>> and invariably, they are shaky, blurred, indistinct things. Only the
>>> POV-Ray telescope is able to show alien ships in all their pristine
>>> splendour coming to us from deep space.
>>> --
>>> Thomas
>>
>> Hi Thomas,
>>
>> that is a very good start indeed, but I see some options for
>> improvements.
>> First, the structure looks great, but too many areas are lost in the
>> shadows.
>> This seems to be a general problem with space scenes, since one has
>> only one
>> light source (star) close by. May be a binary star can solve this. The
>> orbiter
>> can still have a different color in this case. The second issue is the
>> engine
>> glow. IMO it should have more turbulence at the edges. Otherwise
>> really great.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Michael
>>
>>
>
> I can't think of any source of turbulence in the vacuum of space.
> Once the gas/plasma leave the engines *realy, realy* fast, each of it's
> particles goes in a straight line, mostly indepently from the others.
>
Interesting. No interaction between the particles at all? Hmmm... I
suppose that would be minimal due to the eject velocity indeed, like you
say.
So turbulence is another of those things - like wings - which we should
put in the domain of imagination :-)
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Le 15-03-12 04:08, Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> On 12-3-2015 4:12, Alain wrote:
>> Le 15-03-06 15:00, MichaelJF a écrit :
>>> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>>>> Aliens are reported on a daily basis, in particular on YouTube.
>>>> However,
>>>> and invariably, they are shaky, blurred, indistinct things. Only the
>>>> POV-Ray telescope is able to show alien ships in all their pristine
>>>> splendour coming to us from deep space.
>>>> --
>>>> Thomas
>>>
>>> Hi Thomas,
>>>
>>> that is a very good start indeed, but I see some options for
>>> improvements.
>>> First, the structure looks great, but too many areas are lost in the
>>> shadows.
>>> This seems to be a general problem with space scenes, since one has
>>> only one
>>> light source (star) close by. May be a binary star can solve this. The
>>> orbiter
>>> can still have a different color in this case. The second issue is the
>>> engine
>>> glow. IMO it should have more turbulence at the edges. Otherwise
>>> really great.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I can't think of any source of turbulence in the vacuum of space.
>> Once the gas/plasma leave the engines *realy, realy* fast, each of it's
>> particles goes in a straight line, mostly indepently from the others.
>>
>
> Interesting. No interaction between the particles at all? Hmmm... I
> suppose that would be minimal due to the eject velocity indeed, like you
> say.
>
> So turbulence is another of those things - like wings - which we should
> put in the domain of imagination :-)
I did not say "no interactions at all" but mostly independently, meaning
very little interactions.
If you looks at the jet from a rocket in the athmosphere, you'll notice
a central, often cone like and very smooth, part. It often display some
repeating pattern, like a string of beads or diamonds. It's surrounded
by a broader, more diffuse jet. On the outside of that outer layer,
where it interact with the mostly static ambient air, is where all the
turbulence is generated. As you progress farther from the engine, those
turbulences progress inward.
In space, you get the inner part forming a long and sharp cone, and the
outside part is mostly V shaped, also smooth and a lot dimer, that stay
that way as there is almost no exterior medium to interact with.
In your later image, the exaust looks like the flame of a cheap, low
presure, blow torch. In several cases, in films and TV shows, it's
exactly what they used for the "rocket engines"... I've seen some cases
whith the flame curving up for a ship going in a straight line.
If a rocket engine had an exaust like that, it would shake itself loose
and apart very shortly, or need to be so rugged that it's weight would
be excessive.
Alain
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Alain <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:
> Le 15-03-12 04:08, Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> > On 12-3-2015 4:12, Alain wrote:
> >> Le 15-03-06 15:00, MichaelJF a écrit :
> >>> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> >>>> Aliens are reported on a daily basis, in particular on YouTube.
> >>>> However,
> >>>> and invariably, they are shaky, blurred, indistinct things. Only the
> >>>> POV-Ray telescope is able to show alien ships in all their pristine
> >>>> splendour coming to us from deep space.
> >>>> --
> >>>> Thomas
> >>>
> >>> Hi Thomas,
> >>>
> >>> that is a very good start indeed, but I see some options for
> >>> improvements.
> >>> First, the structure looks great, but too many areas are lost in the
> >>> shadows.
> >>> This seems to be a general problem with space scenes, since one has
> >>> only one
> >>> light source (star) close by. May be a binary star can solve this. The
> >>> orbiter
> >>> can still have a different color in this case. The second issue is the
> >>> engine
> >>> glow. IMO it should have more turbulence at the edges. Otherwise
> >>> really great.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Michael
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> I can't think of any source of turbulence in the vacuum of space.
> >> Once the gas/plasma leave the engines *realy, realy* fast, each of it's
> >> particles goes in a straight line, mostly indepently from the others.
> >>
> >
> > Interesting. No interaction between the particles at all? Hmmm... I
> > suppose that would be minimal due to the eject velocity indeed, like you
> > say.
> >
> > So turbulence is another of those things - like wings - which we should
> > put in the domain of imagination :-)
>
> I did not say "no interactions at all" but mostly independently, meaning
> very little interactions.
> If you looks at the jet from a rocket in the athmosphere, you'll notice
> a central, often cone like and very smooth, part. It often display some
> repeating pattern, like a string of beads or diamonds. It's surrounded
> by a broader, more diffuse jet. On the outside of that outer layer,
> where it interact with the mostly static ambient air, is where all the
> turbulence is generated. As you progress farther from the engine, those
> turbulences progress inward.
> In space, you get the inner part forming a long and sharp cone, and the
> outside part is mostly V shaped, also smooth and a lot dimer, that stay
> that way as there is almost no exterior medium to interact with.
>
> In your later image, the exaust looks like the flame of a cheap, low
> presure, blow torch. In several cases, in films and TV shows, it's
> exactly what they used for the "rocket engines"... I've seen some cases
> whith the flame curving up for a ship going in a straight line.
> If a rocket engine had an exaust like that, it would shake itself loose
> and apart very shortly, or need to be so rugged that it's weight would
> be excessive.
>
>
> Alain
I would prefer a turbulence between both images.
Alain is right if the gas is emitted without obstacles from a source emitting in
some directions with a uniform distribution. But if you have obstacles, may be a
pipe of some kind (exhaust pipe), you will have interactions and so turbulence,
even in space.
Best regards,
Michael
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Aliens came to me, too!
I am currently working on a new version of the ship, with plenty more details.
Progress and co-operation in this Facebook group:
"EC SENECA II"
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Aliens are reported on a daily basis, in particular on YouTube. However,
> and invariably, they are shaky, blurred, indistinct things. Only the
> POV-Ray telescope is able to show alien ships in all their pristine
> splendour coming to us from deep space.
> --
> Thomas
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On 25-3-2015 18:01, Sven Littkowski wrote:
> Aliens came to me, too!
It's a plague :-)
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On 26/03/15 08:04, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 25-3-2015 18:01, Sven Littkowski wrote:
>> Aliens came to me, too!
>
> It's a plague :-)
>
I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords (as has been said many times
before)
John
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It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children
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On 26-3-2015 11:27, Doctor John wrote:
> On 26/03/15 08:04, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 25-3-2015 18:01, Sven Littkowski wrote:
>>> Aliens came to me, too!
>>
>> It's a plague :-)
>>
>
> I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords (as has been said many times
> before)
>
> John
>
Turncoat! Traitor to the Human race!
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On 26/03/2015 12:02, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 26-3-2015 11:27, Doctor John wrote:
>> On 26/03/15 08:04, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 25-3-2015 18:01, Sven Littkowski wrote:
>>>> Aliens came to me, too!
>>>
>>> It's a plague :-)
>>>
>>
>> I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords (as has been said many times
>> before)
>>
>> John
>>
> Turncoat! Traitor to the Human race!
>
He has always worshipped the Evil one. Where do you think his powers
come from?
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On 26/03/15 12:04, Stephen wrote:
> On 26/03/2015 12:02, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 26-3-2015 11:27, Doctor John wrote:
>>> On 26/03/15 08:04, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>> On 25-3-2015 18:01, Sven Littkowski wrote:
>>>>> Aliens came to me, too!
>>>>
>>>> It's a plague :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords (as has been said many times
>>> before)
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> Turncoat! Traitor to the Human race!
>>
>
> He has always worshipped the Evil one. Where do you think his powers
> come from?
>
>
We come for your billiards tables.
Soon, all your baize will belong to Us!
John
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It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children
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On 26/03/2015 18:34, Doctor John wrote:
> On 26/03/15 12:04, Stephen wrote:
>> On 26/03/2015 12:02, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 26-3-2015 11:27, Doctor John wrote:
>>>> On 26/03/15 08:04, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>>> On 25-3-2015 18:01, Sven Littkowski wrote:
>>>>>> Aliens came to me, too!
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a plague :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords (as has been said many times
>>>> before)
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>> Turncoat! Traitor to the Human race!
>>>
>>
>> He has always worshipped the Evil one. Where do you think his powers
>> come from?
>>
>>
>
> We come for your billiards tables.
> Soon, all your baize will belong to Us!
>
Try! and we will soon have you snookered. **
**
As well as battling against the forces of evil. I am also active in the
secret class war. I wager the braggart is a follower of the rugby union
code.
--
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Stephen
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On 26/03/15 23:27, Stephen wrote:
> As well as battling against the forces of evil. I am also active in the
> secret class war. I wager the braggart is a follower of the rugby union
> code.
>
[sends his evil minions to sup Stephen's Grouse (pl. Grice) and replace
it with Lagavulin]
Mwah-hah-hah-haah!
John
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On 26/03/15 12:02, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Turncoat! Traitor to the Human race!
>
see post to Stephen at 0018:
[sends minions to empty Thomas' stores of good Dutch beer and replace
them with American Budweiser}
Mwah-hah-hah-haah
John
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You hold it in trust for your children
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On 27/03/15 00:31, Doctor John wrote:
> [sends minions to empty Thomas' stores of good Dutch beer and replace
> them with American Budweiser}
>
Might have gone over the top there but, what the hell, this is war!
John
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On 27-3-2015 1:31, Doctor John wrote:
> On 26/03/15 12:02, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> Turncoat! Traitor to the Human race!
>>
>
> see post to Stephen at 0018:
>
> [sends minions to empty Thomas' stores of good Dutch beer and replace
> them with American Budweiser}
>
> Mwah-hah-hah-haah
>
> John
>
Now, you have gone too far! I will smother you in Budweiser, indeed I will!
[opens one of Jamie's cookbooks and sharpens knifes]
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On 27-3-2015 1:18, Doctor John wrote:
> On 26/03/15 23:27, Stephen wrote:
>> As well as battling against the forces of evil. I am also active in the
>> secret class war. I wager the braggart is a follower of the rugby union
>> code.
>>
>
> [sends his evil minions to sup Stephen's Grouse (pl. Grice) and replace
> it with Lagavulin]
>
> Mwah-hah-hah-haah!
>
> John
>
and hope he won't taste the difference?
You alien lovers have strange tastes indeed [shakes head]
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On 27/03/2015 00:18, Doctor John wrote:
> On 26/03/15 23:27, Stephen wrote:
>> As well as battling against the forces of evil. I am also active in the
>> secret class war. I wager the braggart is a follower of the rugby union
>> code.
>>
>
> [sends his evil minions to sup Stephen's Grouse (pl. Grice) and replace
> it with Lagavulin]
>
> Mwah-hah-hah-haah!
>
That my friend, is why you will always fail. Overly complicated plans
and a tendency to gloat before you should.
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Stephen
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On 27/03/2015 08:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 27-3-2015 1:18, Doctor John wrote:
>> On 26/03/15 23:27, Stephen wrote:
>>> As well as battling against the forces of evil. I am also active in the
>>> secret class war. I wager the braggart is a follower of the rugby union
>>> code.
>>>
>>
>> [sends his evil minions to sup Stephen's Grouse (pl. Grice) and replace
>> it with Lagavulin]
>>
>> Mwah-hah-hah-haah!
>>
>> John
>>
>
> and hope he won't taste the difference?
>
That is where his plot halls down.
> You alien lovers have strange tastes indeed [shakes head]
>
And no sense of smell.
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On 27-3-2015 10:43, Stephen wrote:
> On 27/03/2015 00:18, Doctor John wrote:
>> On 26/03/15 23:27, Stephen wrote:
>>> As well as battling against the forces of evil. I am also active in the
>>> secret class war. I wager the braggart is a follower of the rugby union
>>> code.
>>>
>>
>> [sends his evil minions to sup Stephen's Grouse (pl. Grice) and replace
>> it with Lagavulin]
>>
>> Mwah-hah-hah-haah!
>>
>
> That my friend, is why you will always fail. Overly complicated plans
> and a tendency to gloat before you should.
>
>
And why we should not be overly concerned about an alien invasion. They
are so naive and predictable!
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In stealth mode.
(with adapted drive output)
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Thomas
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On 27/03/2015 12:15, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 27-3-2015 10:43, Stephen wrote:
>> On 27/03/2015 00:18, Doctor John wrote:
>>> On 26/03/15 23:27, Stephen wrote:
>>>> As well as battling against the forces of evil. I am also active in the
>>>> secret class war. I wager the braggart is a follower of the rugby union
>>>> code.
>>>>
>>>
>>> [sends his evil minions to sup Stephen's Grouse (pl. Grice) and replace
>>> it with Lagavulin]
>>>
>>> Mwah-hah-hah-haah!
>>>
>>
>> That my friend, is why you will always fail. Overly complicated plans
>> and a tendency to gloat before you should.
>>
>>
> And why we should not be overly concerned about an alien invasion. They
> are so naive and predictable!
>
They never learn, do they?
All those books where they never win.
Can they even read?
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Stephen
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On 27-3-2015 21:03, Stephen wrote:
> On 27/03/2015 12:15, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 27-3-2015 10:43, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 27/03/2015 00:18, Doctor John wrote:
>>>> On 26/03/15 23:27, Stephen wrote:
>>>>> As well as battling against the forces of evil. I am also active in
>>>>> the
>>>>> secret class war. I wager the braggart is a follower of the rugby
>>>>> union
>>>>> code.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [sends his evil minions to sup Stephen's Grouse (pl. Grice) and replace
>>>> it with Lagavulin]
>>>>
>>>> Mwah-hah-hah-haah!
>>>>
>>>
>>> That my friend, is why you will always fail. Overly complicated plans
>>> and a tendency to gloat before you should.
>>>
>>>
>> And why we should not be overly concerned about an alien invasion. They
>> are so naive and predictable!
>>
>
> They never learn, do they?
> All those books where they never win.
> Can they even read?
>
I wonder. You always see those primitive kinds of hieroglyphs. They are
way below the human race on the universal scale of civilisation.
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Thomas
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...and then it sweeps past.
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On 28/03/2015 08:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
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> I wonder. You always see those primitive kinds of hieroglyphs. They are
> way below the human race on the universal scale of civilisation.
>
I don't know if you have read any of Eric Frank Russell's work. But he
knew how to treat them.
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Stephen
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On 29-3-2015 0:25, Stephen wrote:
> On 28/03/2015 08:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>
>>>
>> I wonder. You always see those primitive kinds of hieroglyphs. They are
>> way below the human race on the universal scale of civilisation.
>>
>
> I don't know if you have read any of Eric Frank Russell's work. But he
> knew how to treat them.
>
Strangely enough, no. Somehow, his work didn't make it to NL, or I
completely overlooked him in the days I scavenged libraries, which I
still do btw but with less booty than in the past (that is another story).
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Thomas
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On 29/03/2015 08:14, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 29-3-2015 0:25, Stephen wrote:
>> On 28/03/2015 08:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>> I wonder. You always see those primitive kinds of hieroglyphs. They are
>>> way below the human race on the universal scale of civilisation.
>>>
>>
>> I don't know if you have read any of Eric Frank Russell's work. But he
>> knew how to treat them.
>>
> Strangely enough, no. Somehow, his work didn't make it to NL, or I
> completely overlooked him in the days I scavenged libraries, which I
> still do btw but with less booty than in the past (that is another story).
>
In his universe. The Earthmen are on their own, often laconic and
sneaky. On the gripping hand. The Aliens are powerful but easily
bamboozled.
Libraries?
The main library where I live has turned itself into an internet cafe.
And they keep selling off their books.
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Stephen
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On 29-3-2015 10:05, Stephen wrote:
> On 29/03/2015 08:14, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 29-3-2015 0:25, Stephen wrote:
>>> On 28/03/2015 08:09, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I wonder. You always see those primitive kinds of hieroglyphs. They are
>>>> way below the human race on the universal scale of civilisation.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know if you have read any of Eric Frank Russell's work. But he
>>> knew how to treat them.
>>>
>> Strangely enough, no. Somehow, his work didn't make it to NL, or I
>> completely overlooked him in the days I scavenged libraries, which I
>> still do btw but with less booty than in the past (that is another
>> story).
>>
>
> In his universe. The Earthmen are on their own, often laconic and
> sneaky. On the gripping hand. The Aliens are powerful but easily
> bamboozled.
>
> Libraries?
> The main library where I live has turned itself into an internet cafe.
> And they keep selling off their books.
>
Oop. I meant /bookshops/, I was the victim of a multi-linguistic
semantic mix-up ;-)
However, the future of /libraries/ is bleak indeed. I witness the same
as you, here. :-(
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Thomas
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Hi(gh)!
On 29.03.2015 10:05, Stephen wrote:
> Libraries?
> The main library where I live has turned itself into an internet cafe.
> And they keep selling off their books.
>
Internet café... trading quality literature for second- and third-class
content snippets, ignorant bulletin board rants, conspiracy loony
propaganda and Chick gospel tracts! Poor, poor world!
I think copyrights on books should expire 20 years after publication (at
least with maps, it's this way in Germany - they are counted for
whatever reason as databases, which may be copied freely 15 years after
initial publication!), not 50, 70 or 100 years after the author's death
- then we could drastically improve the Internet's content - let alone
full-text searching and all those features which come with digitalizing!
See you in Khyberspace!
Yadgar
Now playing: Kriegstanz [War Dance] (Heinz-Rudolf Kunze)
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On 30-3-2015 11:21, Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann wrote:
> Hi(gh)!
>
> On 29.03.2015 10:05, Stephen wrote:
>
>> Libraries?
>> The main library where I live has turned itself into an internet cafe.
>> And they keep selling off their books.
>>
>
> Internet café... trading quality literature for second- and third-class
> content snippets, ignorant bulletin board rants, conspiracy loony
> propaganda and Chick gospel tracts! Poor, poor world!
In about 10 to 15 years, I have seen the quality content of the local
public library books stock here drop down from high and broad to average
and narrow. The selling off of their quality books has enabled me to
salvage a number of (in my view) important works although I sadly missed
a large number of them. When replaced, they were by the flotsam of
today's printing press under the regulation that that is what the public
wants and governed by shrinking budgets. 'Books are a thing of the
past', they say.
>
> I think copyrights on books should expire 20 years after publication (at
> least with maps, it's this way in Germany - they are counted for
> whatever reason as databases, which may be copied freely 15 years after
> initial publication!), not 50, 70 or 100 years after the author's death
> - then we could drastically improve the Internet's content - let alone
> full-text searching and all those features which come with digitalizing!
>
Maybe. I fear it would hardly improve the quality; the net is too vast.
On the other hand, I must say that with appropriate searching know how,
there is a vast store of knowledgeable stuff out there which we did not
have access to in the past.
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Thomas
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