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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Silentium - final
Date: 3 Sep 2014 08:10:40
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Once every year, Cathy and Ben visit their elder brother.

Cathy's World #15


@Jaime: Radiosity with higher quality.
@BaldEagle: Note use of standard camera with angle 70.


Thomas


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 3 Sep 2014 09:06:36
Message: <5407125c@news.povray.org>
Am 03.09.2014 14:10, schrieb Thomas de Groot:

> @BaldEagle: Note use of standard camera with angle 70.

In this case, with the vertical pillars being an important element, it 
seems a perfectly valid choice of camera.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 3 Sep 2014 10:06:29
Message: <54072065$1@news.povray.org>
On 3-9-2014 15:06, clipka wrote:
> Am 03.09.2014 14:10, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>
>> @BaldEagle: Note use of standard camera with angle 70.
>
> In this case, with the vertical pillars being an important element, it
> seems a perfectly valid choice of camera.
>

Yes. Also, y of camera position and look at are identical. For a 
landscape that would be rather dull but here it works well as there is 
no visible horizon. Some camera tilt would beg for Dr John's device ;-)

Thomas


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From: FractRacer
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 3 Sep 2014 10:09:22
Message: <54072112$1@news.povray.org>
Le 03/09/2014 14:10, Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> Once every year, Cathy and Ben visit their elder brother.
>
> Cathy's World #15
>
>
> @Jaime: Radiosity with higher quality.
> @BaldEagle: Note use of standard camera with angle 70.
>
>
> Thomas

Nice image.
I just have a little critique (: the feet of Cathy do not seem to touch 
the ground, it lacks shadows maybe.

Lionel

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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 3 Sep 2014 10:15:19
Message: <54072277$1@news.povray.org>
On 3-9-2014 16:11, FractRacer wrote:
>
> Nice image.

Thanks :-)

> I just have a little critique (: the feet of Cathy do not seem to touch
> the ground, it lacks shadows maybe.

Wrong. They /do/ touch. She is standing mostly on the black tile so any 
shadow is invisible indeed; and that part of the scene is only 
illuminated indirectly.

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 3 Sep 2014 10:27:30
Message: <54072552$1@news.povray.org>
On 03/09/2014 13:10, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Once every year, Cathy and Ben visit their elder brother.
>
> Cathy's World #15
>
>
> @Jaime: Radiosity with higher quality.
> @BaldEagle: Note use of standard camera with angle 70.
>
>
> Thomas

Very good indeed. :-D
I wonder why there is haze when the sun is quite high in the sky?

What did you use for the frescos and who is the cloaked person looking 
at them?

It calls for a caption or sub-title. Mine would be:

"Well, favourite sister. Have you done anything interesting since your 
last visit?"
(And do tell him not to eat the fish. Like last time. I got into no end 
of trouble.)

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 3 Sep 2014 14:20:01
Message: <web.54075ad8c61704b485de7b680@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> I wonder why there is haze when the sun is quite high in the sky?

I don't know the climate where Cathy lives, but when the northern trade winds
stir up the Sahara desert, the sky here in the Caribbean can be hazy at any time
of day.


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 3 Sep 2014 14:30:01
Message: <web.54075b93c61704b485de7b680@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Cathy's World #15

So I take it the world survived the Martian invasion.

> @Jaime: Radiosity with higher quality.

The radiosity looks very good here, much better than in your drafts.  FWIW,
Cathy does not appear to be floating to me.


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From: jhu
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 3 Sep 2014 15:00:01
Message: <web.54076517c61704b4d19b0ec40@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Once every year, Cathy and Ben visit their elder brother.
>
> Cathy's World #15
>
>
> @Jaime: Radiosity with higher quality.
> @BaldEagle: Note use of standard camera with angle 70.
>
>
> Thomas

Very nice. Where's Cathy's world 1-14?


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 3 Sep 2014 15:56:36
Message: <54077274$1@news.povray.org>
On 03/09/2014 19:15, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>> I wonder why there is haze when the sun is quite high in the sky?
>
> I don't know the climate where Cathy lives, but when the northern trade winds
> stir up the Sahara desert, the sky here in the Caribbean can be hazy at any time
> of day.
>
>
You're right, I had forgotten about the Harmattan.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Jaime Vives Piqueres
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 3 Sep 2014 17:18:44
Message: <540785b4$1@news.povray.org>
El 03/09/14 a las #4, Stephen escribió:
> I wonder why there is haze when the sun is quite high in the sky?

   Smoking monks?

   Very good job, Thomas!

--
Jaime


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From: William F Pokorny
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 3 Sep 2014 23:33:49
Message: <5407dd9d$1@news.povray.org>
On 09/03/2014 08:10 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Once every year, Cathy and Ben visit their elder brother.
>
> Cathy's World #15
>
> Thomas

I like it.

Bill P.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 4 Sep 2014 03:12:13
Message: <540810cd@news.povray.org>
On 3-9-2014 16:27, Stephen wrote:
> Very good indeed. :-D
> I wonder why there is haze when the sun is quite high in the sky?

I consider that /appropriate artistic licence/ ;-)

>
> What did you use for the frescos and who is the cloaked person looking
> at them?

The frescos come with Del Fabbro's cloister model. I only added a 
crackle normal.
In my view, this is a small community of monks (survived the Martians)  :-)

>
> It calls for a caption or sub-title. Mine would be:
>
> "Well, favourite sister. Have you done anything interesting since your
> last visit?"
> (And do tell him not to eat the fish. Like last time. I got into no end
> of trouble.)

LOL Very good!

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 4 Sep 2014 03:15:14
Message: <54081182$1@news.povray.org>
On 3-9-2014 23:18, Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
> El 03/09/14 a las #4, Stephen escribió:
>> I wonder why there is haze when the sun is quite high in the sky?
>
>    Smoking monks?

They certainly do! Big cigars! :-)

Which reminds me of the nineteen fifties when priests were reputed for 
their cigar smoking habits (or so it was in NL at least).

>
>    Very good job, Thomas!

Thank you Jaime.

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 4 Sep 2014 03:16:21
Message: <540811c5$1@news.povray.org>
On 3-9-2014 20:18, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> Cathy's World #15
>
> So I take it the world survived the Martian invasion.

It seems so indeed ;-)

>
>> @Jaime: Radiosity with higher quality.
>
> The radiosity looks very good here, much better than in your drafts.  FWIW,
> Cathy does not appear to be floating to me.

And yet, I did not increase the parameter values that much...

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 4 Sep 2014 03:19:35
Message: <54081287@news.povray.org>
On 3-9-2014 20:59, jhu wrote:
>
> Very nice. Where's Cathy's world 1-14?
>

Spread over time, since 2006. Most were shown in p.b.i. some never 
appeared because on hold. #14 of course appeared in War of the Worlds.

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 4 Sep 2014 03:20:08
Message: <540812a8$1@news.povray.org>
On 4-9-2014 5:33, William F Pokorny wrote:
> I like it.
>

Good. Thank you!

Thomas


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From: FractRacer
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 4 Sep 2014 07:30:41
Message: <54084d61$1@news.povray.org>
Le 03/09/2014 16:15, Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> Wrong. They /do/ touch. She is standing mostly on the black tile so any
> shadow is invisible indeed; and that part of the scene is only
> illuminated indirectly.
>
> Thomas
>

Yes, I know. You have made a great work on this scene, and all I see (I 
seem see) is a non-existent detail. I deserve the washing-up punishment.

Lionel
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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 4 Sep 2014 07:47:29
Message: <54085151$1@news.povray.org>
On 4-9-2014 13:32, FractRacer wrote:
> Yes, I know. You have made a great work on this scene, and all I see (I
> seem see) is a non-existent detail. I deserve the washing-up punishment.

Excellent! I shall send you my dirty laundry too ;-)

Thomas


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 4 Sep 2014 19:35:01
Message: <web.5408f63ec61704b4192ae5f10@news.povray.org>
"jhu" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Very nice. Where's Cathy's world 1-14?

This is what I have:

#1 Age of Innocence (p.b.i, November 2006)
#2 Age of Curiosity (aka Stalker Tunnel; p.b.i, April 2007)
#3 A Time of Change (no search results)
#4 The Bridge Builders (TC-RTC, May 2008)
#5 De Dulle Griet (unfinished; no search results)
#6 Captain Nemo (aka N; TC-RTC, September 2008)
#7 On the Streets (p.b.i, March 2009)
#8 At the Cenotaph (p.b.i, August 2009, unfinished; search povray.org for
   "Boullée cenotaph")
#9 On the Plains (TC-RTC, September/October 2009)
#9a On the Plains (variation) (p.b.i, October 2009; search povray.org for
    "another Boullée architecture")
#10 Across the Fields (TC-RTC, September/October 2009)
#11 Glass (TC-RTC, September/October 2010)
#12 Gravity (p.b.i, March 2014; not the motion picture)
#13 Urbex (p.b.i., August 2014)
#14 The Enemy (TC-RTC, July 2014)
#15 Silentium (p.b.i, September 2015)

The TC-RTC images can be found at
   http://www.tc-rtc.co.uk/imagearchive/stills.html


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From: jhu
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 4 Sep 2014 21:10:00
Message: <web.54090c5bc61704b4d19b0ec40@news.povray.org>
"Cousin Ricky" <rickysttATyahooDOTcom> wrote:
> "jhu" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> > Very nice. Where's Cathy's world 1-14?
>
> This is what I have:
>
> #1 Age of Innocence (p.b.i, November 2006)
> #2 Age of Curiosity (aka Stalker Tunnel; p.b.i, April 2007)
> #3 A Time of Change (no search results)
> #4 The Bridge Builders (TC-RTC, May 2008)
> #5 De Dulle Griet (unfinished; no search results)
> #6 Captain Nemo (aka N; TC-RTC, September 2008)
> #7 On the Streets (p.b.i, March 2009)
> #8 At the Cenotaph (p.b.i, August 2009, unfinished; search povray.org for
>    "Boullée cenotaph")
> #9 On the Plains (TC-RTC, September/October 2009)
> #9a On the Plains (variation) (p.b.i, October 2009; search povray.org for
>     "another Boullée architecture")
> #10 Across the Fields (TC-RTC, September/October 2009)
> #11 Glass (TC-RTC, September/October 2010)
> #12 Gravity (p.b.i, March 2014; not the motion picture)
> #13 Urbex (p.b.i., August 2014)
> #14 The Enemy (TC-RTC, July 2014)
> #15 Silentium (p.b.i, September 2015)
>
> The TC-RTC images can be found at
>    http://www.tc-rtc.co.uk/imagearchive/stills.html

Thanks! There's a few I haven't seen before.


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From: Larry Hudson
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 4 Sep 2014 23:06:31
Message: <540928b7$1@news.povray.org>
On 09/04/2014 04:31 PM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> "jhu" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>> Very nice. Where's Cathy's world 1-14?
>
> This is what I have:
>
[snip]
> #15 Silentium (p.b.i, September 2015)
>
You mean we have to wait a whole year to see the final-final render??   ;-)

      -=- Larry -=-


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From: jhu
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 5 Sep 2014 00:25:01
Message: <web.54093ad3c61704b4d19b0ec40@news.povray.org>
Larry Hudson <org### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
> On 09/04/2014 04:31 PM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> > "jhu" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> >> Very nice. Where's Cathy's world 1-14?
> >
> > This is what I have:
> >
> [snip]
> > #15 Silentium (p.b.i, September 2015)
> >
> You mean we have to wait a whole year to see the final-final render??   ;-)
>
>       -=- Larry -=-

He's from the future! Get him!!!


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 5 Sep 2014 03:33:05
Message: <54096731@news.povray.org>
On 5-9-2014 1:31, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> This is what I have:
>
> #1 Age of Innocence (p.b.i, November 2006)
> #2 Age of Curiosity (aka Stalker Tunnel; p.b.i, April 2007)
> #3 A Time of Change (no search results)
> #4 The Bridge Builders (TC-RTC, May 2008)
> #5 De Dulle Griet (unfinished; no search results)
> #6 Captain Nemo (aka N; TC-RTC, September 2008)
> #7 On the Streets (p.b.i, March 2009)
> #8 At the Cenotaph (p.b.i, August 2009, unfinished; search povray.org for
>     "Boullée cenotaph")
> #9 On the Plains (TC-RTC, September/October 2009)
> #9a On the Plains (variation) (p.b.i, October 2009; search povray.org for
>      "another Boullée architecture")
> #10 Across the Fields (TC-RTC, September/October 2009)
> #11 Glass (TC-RTC, September/October 2010)
> #12 Gravity (p.b.i, March 2014; not the motion picture)
> #13 Urbex (p.b.i., August 2014)
> #14 The Enemy (TC-RTC, July 2014)
> #15 Silentium (p.b.i, September 2015)
>
> The TC-RTC images can be found at
>     http://www.tc-rtc.co.uk/imagearchive/stills.html

Excellent! I do not even have such an overview myself, except my own 
archives of course! Thanks for this!

What I can add to this is that #3 A Time of Change, appeared - iirc - in 
one of the competitions of the first avatar of the TC-RTC in 2007 which 
is not accessible any more on the web. I am not sure if wips were 
discussed here. For completeness sake, a copy is attached here.

#5 De Dulle Griet is a wip from 2007-2008. I stopped its development 
because of conflicting ideas I had about what the image would be in the 
end: In fact, a double image, one showing 'reality' (the copy I attach 
here) and one showing Cathy's imagination. I may revisit some day...

Thomas


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From: FractRacer
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 5 Sep 2014 03:59:59
Message: <54096d7f@news.povray.org>
Le 05/09/2014 09:32, Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> On 5-9-2014 1:31, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>> This is what I have:
>>
>> #1 Age of Innocence (p.b.i, November 2006)
>> #2 Age of Curiosity (aka Stalker Tunnel; p.b.i, April 2007)
>> #3 A Time of Change (no search results)
>> #4 The Bridge Builders (TC-RTC, May 2008)
>> #5 De Dulle Griet (unfinished; no search results)
>> #6 Captain Nemo (aka N; TC-RTC, September 2008)
>> #7 On the Streets (p.b.i, March 2009)
>> #8 At the Cenotaph (p.b.i, August 2009, unfinished; search povray.org for
>>     "Boullée cenotaph")
>> #9 On the Plains (TC-RTC, September/October 2009)
>> #9a On the Plains (variation) (p.b.i, October 2009; search povray.org for
>>      "another Boullée architecture")
>> #10 Across the Fields (TC-RTC, September/October 2009)
>> #11 Glass (TC-RTC, September/October 2010)
>> #12 Gravity (p.b.i, March 2014; not the motion picture)
>> #13 Urbex (p.b.i., August 2014)
>> #14 The Enemy (TC-RTC, July 2014)
>> #15 Silentium (p.b.i, September 2015)
>>
>> The TC-RTC images can be found at
>>     http://www.tc-rtc.co.uk/imagearchive/stills.html
>
> Excellent! I do not even have such an overview myself, except my own
> archives of course! Thanks for this!
>

Cousin Ricky is the chief archivist !

> What I can add to this is that #3 A Time of Change, appeared - iirc - in
> one of the competitions of the first avatar of the TC-RTC in 2007 which
> is not accessible any more on the web. I am not sure if wips were
> discussed here. For completeness sake, a copy is attached here.
>
> #5 De Dulle Griet is a wip from 2007-2008. I stopped its development
> because of conflicting ideas I had about what the image would be in the
> end: In fact, a double image, one showing 'reality' (the copy I attach
> here) and one showing Cathy's imagination. I may revisit some day...
>
> Thomas
>
>

Good jobs! Why not show Cathy in armor (imagination) and the reflect in 
the mirror with the reality on the De Dulle Griet image?

Lionel

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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 5 Sep 2014 07:01:12
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On 5-9-2014 10:01, FractRacer wrote:

> Good jobs! Why not show Cathy in armor (imagination) and the reflect in
> the mirror with the reality on the De Dulle Griet image?
>

The idea was indeed something like that with Hieronymus Bosch creatures 
escaping from the mirror behind Cathy's back.

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 6 Sep 2014 08:53:26
Message: <540b03c6$1@news.povray.org>
On 04/09/2014 08:11, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 3-9-2014 16:27, Stephen wrote:
>> Very good indeed. :-D
>> I wonder why there is haze when the sun is quite high in the sky?
>
> I consider that /appropriate artistic licence/ ;-)
>

Ouch!
That's me told. :-)

>>
>> What did you use for the frescos and who is the cloaked person looking
>> at them?
>
> The frescos come with Del Fabbro's cloister model. I only added a
> crackle normal.

I don't know it. It gives me the impression of Minoan art.

> In my view, this is a small community of monks (survived the Martians)  :-)
>

Are they the ones who live in a distressed Earth. A few of the survivors 
exhibiting mysterious powers to open other realities?
If so I've heard of them.


>
> LOL Very good!
>

Your images tell more than one story.


-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 6 Sep 2014 10:17:00
Message: <540b175c$1@news.povray.org>
On 6-9-2014 14:53, Stephen wrote:
> On 04/09/2014 08:11, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 3-9-2014 16:27, Stephen wrote:
>>> Very good indeed. :-D
>>> I wonder why there is haze when the sun is quite high in the sky?
>>
>> I consider that /appropriate artistic licence/ ;-)
>>
>
> Ouch!
> That's me told. :-)

I sometimes like to show off my self-declared pedantic superiority :-)

>
>>>
>>> What did you use for the frescos and who is the cloaked person looking
>>> at them?
>>
>> The frescos come with Del Fabbro's cloister model. I only added a
>> crackle normal.
>
> I don't know it. It gives me the impression of Minoan art.

They are Medieval and show a Dance of the Dead. According to the info 
with the original model, they should be from Pieve Di Cadore in Italy. 
However, I have been unable to find mention of them on Internet, not 
even on the town's official site. Mystery. Also, they appear to have 
been composited from at least two different sources.

>
>> In my view, this is a small community of monks (survived the
>> Martians)  :-)
>>
>
> Are they the ones who live in a distressed Earth. A few of the survivors
> exhibiting mysterious powers to open other realities?
> If so I've heard of them.

They might be indeed. Which reminds me of 'A Canticle for Leibowitz' by 
Walter Miller Jr. No doubt, that book inspired part of this image if not 
this series.

In fact, the Martians are a little joke in this series. Its /real/ topic 
is a post-industrial world.

>
>
>>
>> LOL Very good!
>>
>
> Your images tell more than one story.

And so they should indeed.

Thomas


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From: Ger
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 6 Sep 2014 13:31:56
Message: <540b450c$1@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot wrote:

> Once every year, Cathy and Ben visit their elder brother.
> 
> Cathy's World #15
> 
> 
> @Jaime: Radiosity with higher quality.
> @BaldEagle: Note use of standard camera with angle 70.
> 
> 
> Thomas


I like the overall atmosphere of the image, but there's one things that's bugging the
snot outta me.

The bottom plate for the pillars (the edge that the pillars rest on) seems to sit on
top of the tile floor. It's never done that way because the plate is part of the
foundation, 
so the tiles should butt up against the bottom plate. Other thing is the alingment of
the tiles. On the left the black tiles should meet with the corner up to the plate,
and the 
same thing on the right for the white tiles. 
-- 

Ger

Sorry, engineer here. Can't help it :)


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 6 Sep 2014 15:35:00
Message: <web.540b614dc61704b4192ae5f10@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> Excellent! I do not even have such an overview myself, except my own
> archives of course! Thanks for this!

You actually provided the list (through #12) a few months ago.  I just did the
searches.

> What I can add to this is that #3 A Time of Change, appeared - iirc - in
> one of the competitions of the first avatar of the TC-RTC in 2007 which
> is not accessible any more on the web. I am not sure if wips were
> discussed here. For completeness sake, a copy is attached here.

Cathy appears twice in this one.  (Or does she have a twin sister?)

> #5 De Dulle Griet is a wip from 2007-2008. I stopped its development
> because of conflicting ideas I had about what the image would be in the
> end: In fact, a double image, one showing 'reality' (the copy I attach
> here) and one showing Cathy's imagination. I may revisit some day...

The mirror reminds me of my telescope's primary mirror after the Caribbean salt
air got through with it--only my mirror looked a lot worse. (Awsome Rolex
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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 6 Sep 2014 16:29:07
Message: <540b6e93@news.povray.org>
On 06/09/14 20:32, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> 
> The mirror reminds me of my telescope's primary mirror after the Caribbean salt
> air got through with it--only my mirror looked a lot worse. (Awsome Rolex
> attached.)
> 
> 

Ouch! That looks expensive

John
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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 6 Sep 2014 18:06:34
Message: <540b856a$1@news.povray.org>
Am 06.09.2014 22:28, schrieb Doctor John:
> On 06/09/14 20:32, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>>
>> The mirror reminds me of my telescope's primary mirror after the Caribbean salt
>> air got through with it--only my mirror looked a lot worse. (Awsome Rolex
>> attached.)
>>
>>
>
> Ouch! That looks expensive

This one not any more...


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 7 Sep 2014 03:02:51
Message: <540c031b$1@news.povray.org>
On 6-9-2014 21:32, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> Excellent! I do not even have such an overview myself, except my own
>> archives of course! Thanks for this!
>
> You actually provided the list (through #12) a few months ago.  I just did the
> searches.

I forgot all about it...

>
>> What I can add to this is that #3 A Time of Change, appeared - iirc - in
>> one of the competitions of the first avatar of the TC-RTC in 2007 which
>> is not accessible any more on the web. I am not sure if wips were
>> discussed here. For completeness sake, a copy is attached here.
>
> Cathy appears twice in this one.  (Or does she have a twin sister?)

Laziness... Maybe she has a double, or we see what there is not ;-)

>
>> #5 De Dulle Griet is a wip from 2007-2008. I stopped its development
>> because of conflicting ideas I had about what the image would be in the
>> end: In fact, a double image, one showing 'reality' (the copy I attach
>> here) and one showing Cathy's imagination. I may revisit some day...
>
> The mirror reminds me of my telescope's primary mirror after the Caribbean salt
> air got through with it--only my mirror looked a lot worse. (Awsome Rolex
> attached.)

Oh. That's a bad case of corrosion indeed and a pity for such a special 
object.

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 7 Sep 2014 03:13:23
Message: <540c0593$1@news.povray.org>
On 6-9-2014 19:31, Ger wrote:
> I like the overall atmosphere of the image, but there's one things that's bugging
the snot outta me.
>
> The bottom plate for the pillars (the edge that the pillars rest on) seems to sit on
top of the tile floor. It's never done that way because the plate is part of the
foundation,
> so the tiles should butt up against the bottom plate. Other thing is the alingment
of the tiles. On the left the black tiles should meet with the corner up to the plate,
and the
> same thing on the right for the white tiles.
>

It is just an illusion because the tiles do not extend under the plate. 
The tile surface is bevelled against them. As for the alignment, two 
things come to mind: (1) laziness (mine); (2) the 'builders' did not 
care. ;-)

In RL (2) is present everywhere around us. In fact, one can hardly adapt 
the size of a building to the size of the tiles ;-) [only we can do that 
in csg of course]. So, my philosophy is that I do not care and like to 
leave those imperfections which are more life-like as it where than a 
perfect geometric pattern.

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 7 Sep 2014 06:50:36
Message: <540c387c$1@news.povray.org>
On 06/09/2014 15:16, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 6-9-2014 14:53, Stephen wrote:
>> On 04/09/2014 08:11, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 3-9-2014 16:27, Stephen wrote:
>>>> Very good indeed. :-D
>>>> I wonder why there is haze when the sun is quite high in the sky?
>>>
>>> I consider that /appropriate artistic licence/ ;-)
>>>
>>
>> Ouch!
>> That's me told. :-)
>
> I sometimes like to show off my self-declared pedantic superiority :-)
>

When the master frowns the student cowers and trembles.

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>>
>>>>
>>>> What did you use for the frescos and who is the cloaked person looking
>>>> at them?
>>>
>>> The frescos come with Del Fabbro's cloister model. I only added a
>>> crackle normal.
>>
>> I don't know it. It gives me the impression of Minoan art.
>
> They are Medieval and show a Dance of the Dead. According to the info
> with the original model, they should be from Pieve Di Cadore in Italy.
> However, I have been unable to find mention of them on Internet, not
> even on the town's official site. Mystery. Also, they appear to have
> been composited from at least two different sources.
>
I had a look at them and they do look familiar. I am reminded somewhat 
of the illustrations from  Thomas Lovell Beddoes' Death's Jest Book.



>
> They might be indeed. Which reminds me of 'A Canticle for Leibowitz' by
> Walter Miller Jr.

That is a classic.

> No doubt, that book inspired part of this image if not
> this series.
>
> In fact, the Martians are a little joke in this series. Its /real/ topic
> is a post-industrial world.
>

I ken. :-)

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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 7 Sep 2014 07:23:04
Message: <540c4018$1@news.povray.org>
On 7-9-2014 12:50, Stephen wrote:
> When the master frowns the student cowers and trembles.
>
>                     - -
>                   { 0 0 }
>   +===========oOO===(_)===OOo=========+
>   |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|
>   |__|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|__|
>
>
Now, this is interesting! In the summer of 1969, as a small group of 
students and one staff member from the university, we made a walking 
tour through Corsica, particularly the mountainous interior, for fun 
/and/ for the geology. As we did not arrive all at the same time, we had 
a graffiti sign to indicate where we were and/or where we were going. 
That sign was exactly like your drawing except that the wall was the sea 
surface.

I am sure it was not original by itself, but I do not remember where it 
came from...

> I had a look at them and they do look familiar. I am reminded somewhat
> of the illustrations from  Thomas Lovell Beddoes' Death's Jest Book.

I note down this author who I did not know.

Thomas


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From: James Holsenback
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 7 Sep 2014 07:32:07
Message: <540c4237$1@news.povray.org>
On 09/07/2014 07:22 AM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 7-9-2014 12:50, Stephen wrote:
>> When the master frowns the student cowers and trembles.
>>
>>                     - -
>>                   { 0 0 }
>>   +===========oOO===(_)===OOo=========+
>>   |_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|
>>   |__|_____|_____|_____|_____|_____|__|
>>
>>
> Now, this is interesting! In the summer of 1969, as a small group of
> students and one staff member from the university, we made a walking
> tour through Corsica, particularly the mountainous interior, for fun
> /and/ for the geology. As we did not arrive all at the same time, we had
> a graffiti sign to indicate where we were and/or where we were going.
> That sign was exactly like your drawing except that the wall was the sea
> surface.
>
> I am sure it was not original by itself, but I do not remember where it
> came from...

Kilroy was here?


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From: FractRacer
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 7 Sep 2014 07:46:01
Message: <540c4579@news.povray.org>
Le 07/09/2014 13:32, James Holsenback a écrit :
>
> Kilroy was here?
>

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              |       - -       |
              |     { 0 0 }     |
    +===========oOO===(_)===OOo=========+
    |__A__|__Z__|__E__|__R__|__T__|__Y__|
    |__|__Q__|__S__|__D__|__F__|__G_|__|
    |__<__|__W__|__X__|__C__|__V__|__B__|

Is this Ray-Tracing by Stephen?


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 7 Sep 2014 08:25:53
Message: <540c4ed1@news.povray.org>
On 7-9-2014 13:32, James Holsenback wrote:
>
> Kilroy was here?
>

I don't remember seeing this in combination with Kilroy...

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 7 Sep 2014 08:28:08
Message: <540c4f58$1@news.povray.org>
For those interested, the original cloister model is still here:

http://digilander.libero.it/renzodelfabbro/page_1.htm

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 7 Sep 2014 08:30:25
Message: <540c4fe1$1@news.povray.org>
On 7-9-2014 13:47, FractRacer wrote:
>
>                =================
>               |                 |
>               |       - -       |
>               |     { 0 0 }     |
>     +===========oOO===(_)===OOo=========+
>     |__A__|__Z__|__E__|__R__|__T__|__Y__|
>     |__|__Q__|__S__|__D__|__F__|__G_|__|
>     |__<__|__W__|__X__|__C__|__V__|__B__|
>
> Is this Ray-Tracing by Stephen?
>
>
Yes. He has progressed quite a lot don't you agree? ;-D

Nice additions btw.

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 7 Sep 2014 09:11:29
Message: <540c5981$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/09/2014 12:47, FractRacer wrote:
> Le 07/09/2014 13:32, James Holsenback a écrit :
>>
>> Kilroy was here?
>>
>
>                =================
>               |                 |
>               |       - -       |
>               |     { 0 0 }     |
>     +===========oOO===(_)===OOo=========+
>     |__A__|__Z__|__E__|__R__|__T__|__Y__|
>     |__|__Q__|__S__|__D__|__F__|__G_|__|
>     |__<__|__W__|__X__|__C__|__V__|__B__|
>
> Is this Ray-Tracing by Stephen?
>
>
I see someone with French fingers was here too. ;-)

Let's see you do it in Glass with photons and radiosity and subsurface 
scattering and...

:-P

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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 7 Sep 2014 09:30:44
Message: <540c5e04$1@news.povray.org>
On 07/09/2014 13:25, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 7-9-2014 13:32, James Holsenback wrote:
>>
>> Kilroy was here?
>>
>
> I don't remember seeing this in combination with Kilroy...
>

The "over here, over paid and over sexed" brigade brought it with them 
in WWII. It was popular in Britain up to the sixties (IIRC). Kilroy is 
generally peering over a wall.

It went out of fashion when the New Yorkers came up with subway art. No 
we have Banksy.


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     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 7 Sep 2014 09:38:59
Message: <540c5ff3@news.povray.org>
On 07/09/2014 12:22, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> I had a look at them and they do look familiar. I am reminded somewhat
>> of the illustrations from  Thomas Lovell Beddoes' Death's Jest Book.
>
> I note down this author who I did not know.

Best of luck.

My wife has an early edition of it and the woodcuts are macabre.
Beautiful in an essence of Hieronymus Bosch.



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     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 7 Sep 2014 10:13:13
Message: <540c67f9$1@news.povray.org>
On 7-9-2014 15:30, Stephen wrote:
> On 07/09/2014 13:25, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 7-9-2014 13:32, James Holsenback wrote:
>>>
>>> Kilroy was here?
>>>
>>
>> I don't remember seeing this in combination with Kilroy...
>>
>
> The "over here, over paid and over sexed" brigade brought it with them
> in WWII. It was popular in Britain up to the sixties (IIRC). Kilroy is
> generally peering over a wall.

Ha! I have (re?)learned something! Different possibilities: (1) Somehow, 
I never made the connection and/or I have never been really exposed to 
the correct graphic expressions; (2) the connection was lost at the time 
we re-used the graphics; (3) I have simply forgotten today the details 
of our use back then in the sixties. Fascinating.

Thomas


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 7 Sep 2014 16:01:47
Message: <540cb9ab@news.povray.org>
Le 14-09-06 15:32, Cousin Ricky a écrit :
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> Excellent! I do not even have such an overview myself, except my own
>> archives of course! Thanks for this!
>
> You actually provided the list (through #12) a few months ago.  I just did the
> searches.
>
>> What I can add to this is that #3 A Time of Change, appeared - iirc - in
>> one of the competitions of the first avatar of the TC-RTC in 2007 which
>> is not accessible any more on the web. I am not sure if wips were
>> discussed here. For completeness sake, a copy is attached here.
>
> Cathy appears twice in this one.  (Or does she have a twin sister?)
>
>> #5 De Dulle Griet is a wip from 2007-2008. I stopped its development
>> because of conflicting ideas I had about what the image would be in the
>> end: In fact, a double image, one showing 'reality' (the copy I attach
>> here) and one showing Cathy's imagination. I may revisit some day...
>
> The mirror reminds me of my telescope's primary mirror after the Caribbean salt
> air got through with it--only my mirror looked a lot worse. (Awsome Rolex
> attached.)
>
>

Ouch! Ouch! How, the pain...

At least, the mirror been usualy made of glass, it's just a mather of 
removing the aluminium and getting a new coat. But you need to find a 
place where they can do it.



Alain


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From: And
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 8 Sep 2014 04:40:00
Message: <web.540d6acac61704b4773902c30@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>
> Excellent! I do not even have such an overview myself, except my own
> archives of course! Thanks for this!
>
> What I can add to this is that #3 A Time of Change, appeared - iirc - in
> one of the competitions of the first avatar of the TC-RTC in 2007 which
> is not accessible any more on the web. I am not sure if wips were
> discussed here. For completeness sake, a copy is attached here.
>
> #5 De Dulle Griet is a wip from 2007-2008. I stopped its development
> because of conflicting ideas I had about what the image would be in the
> end: In fact, a double image, one showing 'reality' (the copy I attach
> here) and one showing Cathy's imagination. I may revisit some day...
>
> Thomas



These two picture is so great.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 8 Sep 2014 06:57:54
Message: <540d8bb2$1@news.povray.org>
On 8-9-2014 10:37, And wrote:

> These two picture is so great.
>
>

Thanks indeed. However, the renders are not perfect as they were made 
with POV-Ray 3.6 which has/had gamma problems amongst other things. The 
result is rather washed out and with pale complexions for the Poser 
figures. With version 3.7 that belongs all to the past. If I have time, 
I shall provide new renders.

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 8 Sep 2014 07:59:30
Message: <540d9a22$1@news.povray.org>
On 08/09/2014 11:57, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Thanks indeed. However, the renders are not perfect as they were made
> with POV-Ray 3.6 which has/had gamma problems amongst other things. The
> result is rather washed out and with pale complexions for the Poser
> figures. With version 3.7 that belongs all to the past. If I have time,
> I shall provide new renders.

So that's what it was.
I always had to view them with adjusted Gamma.

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     Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Silentium - final
Date: 8 Sep 2014 10:16:26
Message: <540dba3a@news.povray.org>
On 8-9-2014 13:59, Stephen wrote:
> So that's what it was.
> I always had to view them with adjusted Gamma.
>

Yes, and I had a hell of a time to get a decent skin texture without 
knowing what the problem was... until Christoph jumped into the gamma 
pit and changed the world forever after :-)

Thomas


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