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From: Christian Froeschlin
Subject: Soccer Saturn
Date: 14 Jul 2014 19:53:15
Message: <53c46d6b@news.povray.org>
It has been too long since I did anything with POV-Ray, mostly my
free time now goes into taking and processing astrophotos.

However, since I was forced to watch the World Cup by my Dutch
girlfriend I decided a quick render to gloat was in order, despite
my general disinterest in sports :)

The render is only part of the final picture and was tweaked
to match an existing astrophoto. The soccer ball was supposed
to be a quick CSG hack to avoid an involved model but still
took me a long time to get this crude version. It's based on
the intersection of a icosahedron with a dodecahedron but that
yields flat surface patches. I made the bright parts transparent
and placed a light source in the center to double_illuminate a
surrounding sphere which got me the rounded shape, but without
any kind of edge between the neighboring hexagons. For my
purposes I decided it was good enough to difference the shape
with slightly rotated versions of itself to isolate some
material along the edges.

For those who don't know there is actually a hexagonal storm
going on around Saturn's North Pole, which gave me the idea in
the first place. However, the isolated patches on a soccer ball
are pentagons so in the end that didn't quite pan out.


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 14 Jul 2014 20:20:01
Message: <web.53c4739477600b94192ae5f10@news.povray.org>
Christian Froeschlin <chr### [at] chrfrde> wrote:
> For those who don't know there is actually a hexagonal storm
> going on around Saturn's North Pole, which gave me the idea in
> the first place.

Yes, that would be the polar vortex, which, according to /some/ of the people in
my country, is a figment of scientists' imagination.


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 14 Jul 2014 22:05:23
Message: <53c48c63$1@news.povray.org>
Am 15.07.2014 01:53, schrieb Christian Froeschlin:
> It has been too long since I did anything with POV-Ray, mostly my
> free time now goes into taking and processing astrophotos.
>
> However, since I was forced to watch the World Cup by my Dutch
> girlfriend I decided a quick render to gloat was in order, despite
> my general disinterest in sports :)

Quite fitting to do something celestial, too. Although a nova (a new 
star) would have been more spot-on :D


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 15 Jul 2014 02:49:58
Message: <53c4cf16$1@news.povray.org>
On 15-7-2014 4:05, clipka wrote:
> Am 15.07.2014 01:53, schrieb Christian Froeschlin:
>> It has been too long since I did anything with POV-Ray, mostly my
>> free time now goes into taking and processing astrophotos.
>>
>> However, since I was forced to watch the World Cup by my Dutch
>> girlfriend I decided a quick render to gloat was in order, despite
>> my general disinterest in sports :)
>
> Quite fitting to do something celestial, too. Although a nova (a new
> star) would have been more spot-on :D
>

LOL

/if/ the Dutch had won, Titan would have been appropriate :-)

Thomas


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 15 Jul 2014 04:54:22
Message: <53c4ec3e$1@news.povray.org>
Am 15.07.2014 08:49, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> On 15-7-2014 4:05, clipka wrote:
>> Am 15.07.2014 01:53, schrieb Christian Froeschlin:
>>> It has been too long since I did anything with POV-Ray, mostly my
>>> free time now goes into taking and processing astrophotos.
>>>
>>> However, since I was forced to watch the World Cup by my Dutch
>>> girlfriend I decided a quick render to gloat was in order, despite
>>> my general disinterest in sports :)
>>
>> Quite fitting to do something celestial, too. Although a nova (a new
>> star) would have been more spot-on :D
>>
>
> LOL
>
> /if/ the Dutch had won, Titan would have been appropriate :-)

You mean, because it looks like hell frozen over? :-P


Greetings from

     * * * *
     GERMANY


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 15 Jul 2014 05:40:14
Message: <53c4f6fe@news.povray.org>
On 15/07/14 09:54, clipka wrote:
> Am 15.07.2014 08:49, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>> /if/ the Dutch had won, Titan would have been appropriate :-)
> 
> You mean, because it looks like hell frozen over? :-P
> 
> 
> Greetings from
> 
>     * * * *
>     GERMANY
> 

Congratulations to both countries.

John
(England :-( )
-- 
Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 15 Jul 2014 07:55:00
Message: <web.53c5153d77600b947f6b03a40@news.povray.org>
clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> Am 15.07.2014 08:49, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> > On 15-7-2014 4:05, clipka wrote:
> >> Am 15.07.2014 01:53, schrieb Christian Froeschlin:
> >>> It has been too long since I did anything with POV-Ray, mostly my
> >>> free time now goes into taking and processing astrophotos.
> >>>
> >>> However, since I was forced to watch the World Cup by my Dutch
> >>> girlfriend I decided a quick render to gloat was in order, despite
> >>> my general disinterest in sports :)
> >>
> >> Quite fitting to do something celestial, too. Although a nova (a new
> >> star) would have been more spot-on :D
> >>
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > /if/ the Dutch had won, Titan would have been appropriate :-)
>
> You mean, because it looks like hell frozen over? :-P
>
>

Thomas is probably thinking of John Varley's Titan. :-)

> Greetings from
>
>      * * * *
>      GERMANY

The good thing about being Scottish is that you never have to worry about
winning these sort of things. :-D


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 15 Jul 2014 07:55:01
Message: <web.53c5160f77600b947f6b03a40@news.povray.org>
Christian Froeschlin <chr### [at] chrfrde> wrote:
> It has been too long since I did anything with POV-Ray, mostly my
> free time now goes into taking and processing astrophotos.
>
> However, since I was forced to watch the World Cup by my Dutch
> girlfriend I decided a quick render to gloat was in order, despite
> my general disinterest in sports :)
>


Nice!
And it is a virtue to turn moments of boredom into creativity.

Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 15 Jul 2014 08:32:16
Message: <53c51f50$1@news.povray.org>
On 15-7-2014 10:54, clipka wrote:
> Am 15.07.2014 08:49, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>> On 15-7-2014 4:05, clipka wrote:
>>> Am 15.07.2014 01:53, schrieb Christian Froeschlin:
>>>> It has been too long since I did anything with POV-Ray, mostly my
>>>> free time now goes into taking and processing astrophotos.
>>>>
>>>> However, since I was forced to watch the World Cup by my Dutch
>>>> girlfriend I decided a quick render to gloat was in order, despite
>>>> my general disinterest in sports :)
>>>
>>> Quite fitting to do something celestial, too. Although a nova (a new
>>> star) would have been more spot-on :D
>>>
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> /if/ the Dutch had won, Titan would have been appropriate :-)
>
> You mean, because it looks like hell frozen over? :-P

Ha! If /we/ had met /you/, you would have eaten grass! :-P

No, Titan, because of the orange tinted atmosphere ;-)

Thomas


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From: scott
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 15 Jul 2014 08:32:24
Message: <53c51f58$1@news.povray.org>
>> Greetings from
>>
>>       * * * *
>>       GERMANY
>
> The good thing about being Scottish is that you never have to worry about
> winning these sort of things. :-D

Ditto for being English :-)


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 15 Jul 2014 10:09:22
Message: <53c53612@news.povray.org>
Am 15.07.2014 14:32, schrieb Thomas de Groot:

>>> /if/ the Dutch had won, Titan would have been appropriate :-)
>>
>> You mean, because it looks like hell frozen over? :-P
>
> Ha! If /we/ had met /you/, you would have eaten grass! :-P

... and /still/ we would have won :-P

Just look at Schweinsteiger in the final to see how even repetitive 
force-feeding of grass couldn't stop /us/. :-D

You guys should stick to /inhaling/ grass, 'cause it'll be your only way 
to ever get your hands on "Das Ding" anyway: In your wildest pipe-weed 
deams :-P


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 16 Jul 2014 04:38:35
Message: <53c63a0b$1@news.povray.org>
On 15-7-2014 16:09, clipka wrote:
> Am 15.07.2014 14:32, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>
>>>> /if/ the Dutch had won, Titan would have been appropriate :-)
>>>
>>> You mean, because it looks like hell frozen over? :-P
>>
>> Ha! If /we/ had met /you/, you would have eaten grass! :-P
>
> ... and /still/ we would have won :-P
>
> Just look at Schweinsteiger in the final to see how even repetitive
> force-feeding of grass couldn't stop /us/. :-D
>
> You guys should stick to /inhaling/ grass, 'cause it'll be your only way
> to ever get your hands on "Das Ding" anyway: In your wildest pipe-weed
> deams :-P
>

Lol!! I love that talk :-)

Thomas


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 16 Jul 2014 16:16:20
Message: <53c6dd94$1@news.povray.org>
Am 16.07.2014 10:38, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
> On 15-7-2014 16:09, clipka wrote:
>> Am 15.07.2014 14:32, schrieb Thomas de Groot:
>>
>>>>> /if/ the Dutch had won, Titan would have been appropriate :-)
>>>>
>>>> You mean, because it looks like hell frozen over? :-P
>>>
>>> Ha! If /we/ had met /you/, you would have eaten grass! :-P
>>
>> ... and /still/ we would have won :-P
>>
>> Just look at Schweinsteiger in the final to see how even repetitive
>> force-feeding of grass couldn't stop /us/. :-D
>>
>> You guys should stick to /inhaling/ grass, 'cause it'll be your only way
>> to ever get your hands on "Das Ding" anyway: In your wildest pipe-weed
>> deams :-P
>>
>
> Lol!! I love that talk :-)

You're more than welcome - talkig the talk is most fun when one has 
proven already that one can also walk the walk :-D


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 16 Jul 2014 16:20:00
Message: <web.53c6ddb577600b94192ae5f10@news.povray.org>
"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> wrote:
> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
> > Greetings from
> >
> >      * * * *
> >      GERMANY
>
> The good thing about being Scottish is that you never have to worry about
> winning these sort of things. :-D

Greetings from the United States of America. (Well, technically, from one of her
colonies^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hterritories.)

The good thing about soccer^H^H^H^H^H^Hfootball is that it keeps us Americans
from being even more unbearable than we already are.  (I cringe for my own
country every time the winner of one of our intramurals is proclaimed the
"world" champion.)


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 18 Jul 2014 13:20:37
Message: <53c95765$1@news.povray.org>
On 16/07/2014 21:16, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> "Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> wrote:
>> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
>>> Greetings from
>>>
>>>       * * * *
>>>       GERMANY
>>
>> The good thing about being Scottish is that you never have to worry about
>> winning these sort of things. :-D
>
> Greetings from the United States of America. (Well, technically, from one of her
> colonies^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hterritories.)
>
> The good thing about soccer^H^H^H^H^H^Hfootball is that it keeps us Americans
> from being even more unbearable than we already are.  (I cringe for my own
> country every time the winner of one of our intramurals is proclaimed the
> "world" champion.)
>
>
Don't fret Cuz. It gives the rest of the world some small amusement. ;-)

The thing that you could explain to me is. Why do you call American 
football, football? When the ball can be carried and thrown.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 18 Jul 2014 15:03:53
Message: <53c96f99$1@news.povray.org>
Le 14-07-18 13:20, Stephen a écrit :
> On 16/07/2014 21:16, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>> "Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> wrote:
>>> clipka <ano### [at] anonymousorg> wrote:
>>>> Greetings from
>>>>
>>>>       * * * *
>>>>       GERMANY
>>>
>>> The good thing about being Scottish is that you never have to worry
>>> about
>>> winning these sort of things. :-D
>>
>> Greetings from the United States of America. (Well, technically, from
>> one of her
>> colonies^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hterritories.)
>>
>> The good thing about soccer^H^H^H^H^H^Hfootball is that it keeps us
>> Americans
>> from being even more unbearable than we already are.  (I cringe for my
>> own
>> country every time the winner of one of our intramurals is proclaimed the
>> "world" champion.)
>>
>>
> Don't fret Cuz. It gives the rest of the world some small amusement. ;-)
>
> The thing that you could explain to me is. Why do you call American
> football, football? When the ball can be carried and thrown.
>

Same thing for the Canadian football where the feild is narower, longer 
by 10 yards and you have 3 plays instead of 4 to advance at least 10 yards.

Because the ball is put into play with a kick and there are 2 or 3 other 
plays that demand a kick: Placement and conversion kicks and another 
one, rarely used, that I don't remember the name. Apart from that, the 
term "football" is a gross missnomer.
Maybe, also, because the term "handball" is already used for another 
game and they did not want to call it "American rugby" or Canadian rugby"...


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 18 Jul 2014 16:22:25
Message: <53c98201@news.povray.org>
On 18/07/2014 20:05, Alain wrote:
> Same thing for the Canadian football where the feild is narower, longer
> by 10 yards and you have 3 plays instead of 4 to advance at least 10 yards.
>

Waa! Too much information for my tiny mind. ;-)

> Because the ball is put into play with a kick and there are 2 or 3 other
> plays that demand a kick: Placement and conversion kicks and another
> one, rarely used, that I don't remember the name. Apart from that, the
> term "football" is a gross missnomer.
> Maybe, also, because the term "handball" is already used for another
> game and they did not want to call it "American rugby" or Canadian
> rugby"...

I can understand them not wanting to call it handball. That is a foul in 
football.

Maybe they could have taken a trick from Australia and called it Yankie 
Rules

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 19 Jul 2014 12:45:01
Message: <web.53ca9f6377600b94192ae5f10@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> Maybe they could have taken a trick from Australia and called it Yankie
> Rules

When writing for an international audience, I use "American football," or
sometimes "American rules football" if Australians are in the room.  Or
"handegg" if I'm feeling snarky.

But the general attitude in the USA is that we are the standard and the rest of
the world is a deviation.  And unlike other cultures that hold the same
attitude, we have the military industrial complex to back it up.


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From: Doctor John
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 19 Jul 2014 13:51:14
Message: <53cab012@news.povray.org>
On 19/07/14 17:40, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> But the general attitude in the USA is that we are the standard and the rest of
> the world is a deviation.  And unlike other cultures that hold the same
> attitude, we have the military industrial complex to back it up.
> 
> 

... but we have the history and the culture ;-)

John (exits, singing Rule Britannia)
-- 
Protect the Earth
It was not given to you by your parents
You hold it in trust for your children


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 19 Jul 2014 15:02:58
Message: <53cac0e2$1@news.povray.org>
Am 19.07.2014 19:51, schrieb Doctor John:
> On 19/07/14 17:40, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>> But the general attitude in the USA is that we are the standard and the rest of
>> the world is a deviation.  And unlike other cultures that hold the same
>> attitude, we have the military industrial complex to back it up.
>>
>>
>
> .... but we have the history and the culture ;-)
>
> John (exits, singing Rule Britannia)

I'm now somehow reminded of a British newspaper headline some two 
decades ago, when there were severe storms raging over the channel:

     "CONTINENT ISOLATED"


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 19 Jul 2014 16:48:35
Message: <53cad9a3$1@news.povray.org>
On 19/07/2014 20:02, clipka wrote:
> Am 19.07.2014 19:51, schrieb Doctor John:
>> On 19/07/14 17:40, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>>> But the general attitude in the USA is that we are the standard and
>>> the rest of
>>> the world is a deviation.  And unlike other cultures that hold the same
>>> attitude, we have the military industrial complex to back it up.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> .... but we have the history and the culture ;-)
>>
>> John (exits, singing Rule Britannia)
>
> I'm now somehow reminded of a British newspaper headline some two
> decades ago, when there were severe storms raging over the channel:
>
>      "CONTINENT ISOLATED"
>
Well it was, wasn't it?

Reminds me of the classic headline of the P&J (Aberdeen's Press and 
Journal) when the Titanic went down.

- North East man, lost at sea.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 19 Jul 2014 17:00:01
Message: <53cadc51$1@news.povray.org>
On 19/07/2014 17:40, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>> Maybe they could have taken a trick from Australia and called it Yankie
>> Rules
>
> When writing for an international audience, I use "American football," or
> sometimes "American rules football" if Australians are in the room.  Or
> "handegg" if I'm feeling snarky.
>

Ooo! get you. :-P

> But the general attitude in the USA is that we are the standard and the rest of
> the world is a deviation.

You've noticed it too? ;-)

> And unlike other cultures that hold the same
> attitude, we have the military industrial complex to back it up.
>

For the moment, as we did and the Mussalmen, Romans and Greeks before 
us. I think that maybe it is China's turn again, soon.

All flesh is grass. So don't Bogart that joint, my friend.

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 19 Jul 2014 17:49:17
Message: <53cae7dd@news.povray.org>
Am 19.07.2014 22:48, schrieb Stephen:

> Reminds me of the classic headline of the P&J (Aberdeen's Press and
> Journal) when the Titanic went down.
>
> - North East man, lost at sea.

As a German I can't seem to get the point/pun/whatever.

Besides: http://www.scottishreview.net/ChrisHolme222.shtml


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 20 Jul 2014 03:10:30
Message: <53cb6b66@news.povray.org>
On 19-7-2014 23:00, Stephen wrote:
> On 19/07/2014 17:40, Cousin Ricky wrote:

>> But the general attitude in the USA is that we are the standard and
>> the rest of
>> the world is a deviation.
>
> You've noticed it too? ;-)
>

And me thinking that we the Dutch were /the/ standard! Don't *all* 
foreign visitors just love wooden shoes, tulips and wind mills, not to 
speak of traditional costumes of course? :-P

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 20 Jul 2014 05:56:41
Message: <53cb9259$1@news.povray.org>
On 19/07/2014 22:49, clipka wrote:
> Am 19.07.2014 22:48, schrieb Stephen:
>
>> Reminds me of the classic headline of the P&J (Aberdeen's Press and
>> Journal) when the Titanic went down.
>>
>> - North East man, lost at sea.
>
> As a German I can't seem to get the point/pun/whatever.
>

It is a byword for provincial thinking. Of which we have our fair share.



> Besides: http://www.scottishreview.net/ChrisHolme222.shtml
>

Damn! There goes the tourist trade. ;-)

It is one of those myths and falsehoods that we like to keep going.
I have a list...
Since you found me out. I'll tell you a true story about the P&J.

Before the coming of the Oil. Aberdeen was a provincial city. Fishing, 
farming and students the main industries. The proprietor’s wife was 
visiting one day and was shown a proof print of an agricultural show 
item. She was taken aback by the prize winning bull’s bull-ness and 
ordered the offending photo to be made more modest.
(They lost the court case when they were sued by the farmer whose stud 
bull was shownto be not complete.)
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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 20 Jul 2014 06:13:18
Message: <53cb963e@news.povray.org>
On 20/07/2014 08:10, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 19-7-2014 23:00, Stephen wrote:
>> On 19/07/2014 17:40, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>
>>> But the general attitude in the USA is that we are the standard and
>>> the rest of
>>> the world is a deviation.
>>
>> You've noticed it too? ;-)
>>
>
> And me thinking that we the Dutch were /the/ standard! Don't *all*
> foreign visitors just love wooden shoes, tulips and wind mills, not to
> speak of traditional costumes of course? :-P
>

Meow!
Try living in London. ;-)
I go out of my way to destroy the stereotype by being polite.


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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 20 Jul 2014 09:55:00
Message: <web.53cbc8bf77600b94192ae5f10@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> Damn! There goes the tourist trade. ;-)

We have our share in the Virgin Islands:

- Sir Francis Drake totally reviewed his fleet from above Magens Bay.

- Bluebeard the pirate was totally historical.

- The leaders of the 1733 slave revolt in St. John totally jumped off a cliff to
avoid capture, explaining why the rocks on the island are red.

- The banana daiquiri place is totally the highest elevation on St. Thomas.

We have a new one going.  Gay tourists totally get married on our beaches all
the time, even though it's not legal.  Yet.  (Go ahead, Governor Herbert (Utah),
make my day!)


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 20 Jul 2014 10:37:58
Message: <53cbd446$1@news.povray.org>
On 20/07/2014 14:48, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>> Damn! There goes the tourist trade. ;-)
>
> We have our share in the Virgin Islands:
>
> - Sir Francis Drake totally reviewed his fleet from above Magens Bay.
>

Do you have a festival or just a spot?

> - Bluebeard the pirate was totally historical.
>

Blackbeard?

> - The leaders of the 1733 slave revolt in St. John totally jumped off a cliff to
> avoid capture, explaining why the rocks on the island are red.
>

I've heard of that. I didn't remember that it was in the Virgin Isles, 
though.

> - The banana daiquiri place is totally the highest elevation on St. Thomas.
>
> We have a new one going.  Gay tourists totally get married on our beaches all
> the time, even though it's not legal.  Yet.  (Go ahead, Governor Herbert (Utah),
> make my day!)
>

What do people think of that? When I was in Jamaica, I noticed that they 
were a tiny wee bit homophobic. O_O


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Regards
     Stephen


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 21 Jul 2014 12:00:01
Message: <web.53cd37d077600b94192ae5f10@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> On 20/07/2014 14:48, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> > - Sir Francis Drake totally reviewed his fleet from above Magens Bay.
>
> Do you have a festival or just a spot?

Just a spot.  It's called Drake's Seat.

> > - Bluebeard the pirate was totally historical.
>
> Blackbeard?

Blackbeard was a thoroughly unpleasant historical figure named Edward Teach.
Bluebeard is imaginary, but his hotel pulls in more revenue.

> > We have a new one going.  Gay tourists totally get married on our beaches all
> > the time, even though it's not legal.  Yet.  (Go ahead, Governor Herbert (Utah),
> > make my day!)
>
> What do people think of that? When I was in Jamaica, I noticed that they
> were a tiny wee bit homophobic. O_O

The entire Caribbean is virulently homophobic, but the USVI is less so than most
parts.  The Bahamas once refused mooring to a cruise ship full of lesbians, but
we welcomed them.  Our previous governor is rumored to be gay, but that never
hurt him politically.  As far as I can tell, with one exception that I know of,
all of our incumbent politicians are opposed to same-sex marriage, but several
of them recognize that it is a civil rights issue and will not act on their
personal feelings in this regard.

A bill is now being drafted to legalize gay marriage (and in the process, repeal
the asinine legal requirement that women legally change their last name).  There
has been loud community opposition to the bill, but my sense is that it's just a
vocal religious minority.

In one sad story, a father bragged that he (literally) beat the gay out of his
son.  The son killed himself two weeks later, and his father said that we need
to make it illegal to /be/ gay so that more kids won't choose to be gay and then
kill themselves!  For a moment, I thought I was in Uganda.

Some politicians have promised vote against or veto the bill.  I'm trying to
find out who they are so that I can vote against them.

Right now, in order to have a same-sex wedding here, the couple must first get a
marriage license in one of the states where it is valid, then contact one of the
preachers here that advertize the service.  Ironically, this means that you
cannot have a gay wedding here unless you are religious!

I don't understand why more people don't see the tourism potential.  OK, I do
understand: it's religion.


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 21 Jul 2014 15:59:42
Message: <53cd712e$1@news.povray.org>
On 21/07/2014 16:54, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
>> On 20/07/2014 14:48, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>>> - Sir Francis Drake totally reviewed his fleet from above Magens Bay.
>>
>> Do you have a festival or just a spot?
>
> Just a spot.  It's called Drake's Seat.
>

Evocative! At least for us Brits.


>>> - Bluebeard the pirate was totally historical.
>>
>> Blackbeard?
>
> Blackbeard was a thoroughly unpleasant historical figure named Edward Teach.
> Bluebeard is imaginary, but his hotel pulls in more revenue.
>

Nice one! Should pull in the French Tourists as well. :-)
I went to Bluebeard's Castle once.

>>> We have a new one going.  Gay tourists totally get married on our beaches all
>>> the time, even though it's not legal.  Yet.  (Go ahead, Governor Herbert (Utah),
>>> make my day!)
>>

I'm not even going to look him up. Won't give hime the oxygen of publicity.

>> What do people think of that? When I was in Jamaica, I noticed that they
>> were a tiny wee bit homophobic. O_O
>
> The entire Caribbean is virulently homophobic, but the USVI is less so than most
> parts.  The Bahamas once refused mooring to a cruise ship full of lesbians, but
> we welcomed them.  Our previous governor is rumored to be gay, but that never
> hurt him politically.

Good show! Old chap. :-)

> As far as I can tell, with one exception that I know of,
> all of our incumbent politicians are opposed to same-sex marriage, but several
> of them recognize that it is a civil rights issue and will not act on their
> personal feelings in this regard.
>

If only the rest of the world were so wise.

> A bill is now being drafted to legalize gay marriage (and in the process, repeal
> the asinine legal requirement that women legally change their last name).

My wife uses her maiden name.
The fuss that caused when she met up with me in Jamaica. She just about 
had to show her marriage certificate to share the same room with me.


> There has been loud community opposition to the bill, but my sense is that it's just
a
> vocal religious minority.
>

Hope so.

> In one sad story, a father bragged that he (literally) beat the gay out of his
> son.  The son killed himself two weeks later, and his father said that we need
> to make it illegal to /be/ gay so that more kids won't choose to be gay and then
> kill themselves!  For a moment, I thought I was in Uganda.
>

It beggars belief that "so called" religious people can think like that.
I thought "Love thy neighbour" was a commandment.
Silly me. That's in the new testament and all the good repressive 
urgings are in the old testament.

Have you noticed that all these bigots quote from the old testament?

> Some politicians have promised vote against or veto the bill.  I'm trying to
> find out who they are so that I can vote against them.
>

:-D

> Right now, in order to have a same-sex wedding here, the couple must first get a
> marriage license in one of the states where it is valid, then contact one of the
> preachers here that advertize the service.  Ironically, this means that you
> cannot have a gay wedding here unless you are religious!
>
Or lie about it. ;-)

> I don't understand why more people don't see the tourism potential.  OK, I do
> understand: it's religion.
>

I don't know if that sort of tourism is the best way to go. It is better 
that "drunken sex party" tourism, true. But to be known as the gay Las 
Vegas of the Caribbean would make for a change in the way of life.

Anyway this is so very off topic. I'll zip it, now. ;-)

-- 

Regards
     Stephen


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From: Cousin Ricky
Subject: Re: Soccer Saturn
Date: 21 Jul 2014 23:30:00
Message: <web.53cdd99977600b94192ae5f10@news.povray.org>
Stephen <mca### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> I don't know if that sort of tourism is the best way to go. It is better
> that "drunken sex party" tourism, true. But to be known as the gay Las
> Vegas of the Caribbean would make for a change in the way of life.

And your point is...?

> Anyway this is so very off topic. I'll zip it, now. ;-)

Likewise.


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