It has been a while since I visited Cathy and friends, so I decided to 
have a stop at the dystopia to see how they fared. I was not disappointed.

Here is a first wip of the environment. The basic idea came from a 
painting, the painter of which I have forgotten the name. The octagonal 
basins and the back wall are inspired from that.

The plumbing are made with the help of the macros by Glenn McCarter, he 
used in an IRTC image back in 2003.

To remedy the 'falling building' syndrome, I used the FieldCam() macro 
by Doctor John, for which my well-meant thanks :-)

Ambient lighting comes from a HDRI map, supplemented by a single CIE 
light source.

As said in the title, Gravity has nothing at all in common with the film 
of the same name. Here, gravity is what you may feel (like me) when 
standing on top of a high building or a the brink of a deep well. Not a 
particularly pleasant sensation of the Earth's attraction... ;-)

Thomas

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On 08/03/14 12:34, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Here is a first wip of the environment. The basic idea came from a
> painting, the painter of which I have forgotten the name. The octagonal
> basins and the back wall are inspired from that.
> 

Looks intriguing. I await further development with interest.

> 
> To remedy the 'falling building' syndrome, I used the FieldCam() macro
> by Doctor John, for which my well-meant thanks :-)
> 

You're welcome. Strangely enough, I was talking about the macro with a
friend a couple of days ago. That and a few other pieces of information
have persuaded him to come back to Povray after many years absence (I
believe the last version he used was v3.0 - possibly earlier).
BTW Stephen, if you're reading this, your name also came up in
connection with SAP. Small world.

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On 08/03/2014 1:31 PM, Doctor John wrote:
> BTW Stephen, if you're reading this, your name also came up

No good was said, I hope.

> in
> connection with SAP. Small world.


And incestuous too. I'm working with a guy whom I last worked with six 
years ago. And before that for ten years on an oil rig. We were both 
doing different jobs, of course.

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On 08/03/14 14:01, Stephen wrote:
> On 08/03/2014 1:31 PM, Doctor John wrote:
>> BTW Stephen, if you're reading this, your name also came up
> 
> No good was said, I hope.
> 

Absolutely not :-D It was mentioned along with such luminaries as Andrew
Wiles, Roger Penrose and Christopher Wickham - and my father <glows red
with embarrassment>

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On 08/03/2014 4:15 PM, Doctor John wrote:
> On 08/03/14 14:01, Stephen wrote:
>> On 08/03/2014 1:31 PM, Doctor John wrote:
>>> BTW Stephen, if you're reading this, your name also came up
>>
>> No good was said, I hope.
>>
>
> Absolutely not :-D

That is as it should be.


> It was mentioned along with such luminaries as Andrew
> Wiles, Roger Penrose and Christopher Wickham - and my father <glows red
> with embarrassment>
>


Well, since I drink at the White Hart. I expect that sort of thing.
I have a few tales from there.
Not long after I started working in "Computing". I met a consultant 
whose company had just won a contract in Tibet at an out of the way 
monastery. The job had something to do with cataloguing something or 
other. He said that it would take along time. I wonder how it is going?


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For now, this will be the final render. Some minor changes are still 
possible but those need more study.

In the Great Scheme of Things, this is Cathy's World #12.

Thomas

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> For now, this will be the final render. Some minor changes are still
> possible but those need more study.
>
> In the Great Scheme of Things, this is Cathy's World #12.
>
> Thomas

Looks a lot better now with the people in the foreground, bridge and large
cylinder/tank added. I think where the pipes go into the pool needs some kind of
change as it looks like they just disappear, either a hole slightly larger than
the cylinder or some kind of surround where they enter it would probably look
better.

Sean

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Le 17/03/2014 13:17, Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> For now, this will be the final render. Some minor changes are still
> possible but those need more study.
>
> In the Great Scheme of Things, this is Cathy's World #12.
>
> Thomas
>
It is a big good job you have made here, I just have one critic 
concerning the granite which seems ( but is is a personal opinion) too 
smooth.
I like the people and the cat - can we have a close-up of the cat?

Lionel.
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On 17-3-2014 14:43, s.day wrote:
> Looks a lot better now with the people in the foreground, bridge and large
> cylinder/tank added. I think where the pipes go into the pool needs some kind of
> change as it looks like they just disappear, either a hole slightly larger than
> the cylinder or some kind of surround where they enter it would probably look
> better.

Thanks. Indeed, I forgot about the pipes :-( I wanted to make the hole 
slightly larger as you suggest and forgot about it.

Thomas

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On 17-3-2014 16:05, FractRacer wrote:
> It is a big good job you have made here, I just have one critic
> concerning the granite which seems ( but is is a personal opinion) too
> smooth.
> I like the people and the cat - can we have a close-up of the cat?
>

Thanks indeed. The stone texture is one of those things I want to change 
in the (near?) future.

The cat is Poser (of course). Like some Poser figures, it is not really 
good at close up and it misses - in particular - a good normal map, and 
its eyeball map is somewhat weird. Other figures which are more than 
basic are Kate2 and Ben2 (the children here) which have hardly been 
developed further than their Poser 6 versions. Not only are the skin 
maps basic, also their geometry shows a number of severe defects. A 
shame for such a program imho.

Thomas

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In the previous image, the pupils are dilated as the light was rather 
poor; If I contract the pupils, this is the result.

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Le 17/03/2014 16:35, Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> In the previous image, the pupils are dilated as the light was rather
> poor; If I contract the pupils, this is the result.
>
> Thomas

For sure, the pupils are too rounded for a cat, and it seems hungry.
However it is good enough for some scenes where it is not close to the 
camera. Like you made.

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 17-3-2014 14:43, s.day wrote:
> > Looks a lot better now with the people in the foreground, bridge and large
> > cylinder/tank added. I think where the pipes go into the pool needs some kind of
> > change as it looks like they just disappear, either a hole slightly larger than
> > the cylinder or some kind of surround where they enter it would probably look
> > better.
>
> Thanks. Indeed, I forgot about the pipes :-( I wanted to make the hole
> slightly larger as you suggest and forgot about it.
>
> Thomas

Don't you just love it when people point out things like that ;-)

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On 17/03/2014 12:17 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> For now, this will be the final render. Some minor changes are still
> possible but those need more study.
>
> In the Great Scheme of Things, this is Cathy's World #12.
>

She is going to be a force to reckon with. If she makes it to 
adolescence. ;-)

A few comments about pipework.
Pipes that width would be supported by a yoke or framework in places 
along it length. You never  rest a flange on a wall or both could be 
damaged. And as for it disappearing into a wall without a gap. That is 
okay as they are sometimes packed with flame damping material (cement 
like material).

Great atmosphere Thomas.


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On 17-3-2014 18:08, s.day wrote:

> Don't you just love it when people point out things like that ;-)
>
Of course I do! One tends to get blind to the most obvious things when 
poving to long on a scene ;-)

Thomas

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On 18-3-2014 8:09, Stephen wrote:
> On 17/03/2014 12:17 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> For now, this will be the final render. Some minor changes are still
>> possible but those need more study.
>>
>> In the Great Scheme of Things, this is Cathy's World #12.
>>
>
> She is going to be a force to reckon with. If she makes it to
> adolescence. ;-)

Yes, and somehow, I know she will make it. She is the kind of person 
that survives (an thrives) in difficult situations like the world she 
has to cope with: one of the possible/likely scenarios deriving from our 
own.

>
> A few comments about pipework.
> Pipes that width would be supported by a yoke or framework in places
> along it length. You never  rest a flange on a wall or both could be
> damaged. And as for it disappearing into a wall without a gap. That is
> okay as they are sometimes packed with flame damping material (cement
> like material).

I was afraid somebody would come up with that as I secretly also had 
considered the problem and discarded it for the time being out of pure 
laziness ;-)

>
> Great atmosphere Thomas.

Thanks Stephen.

Thomas

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 18-3-2014 8:09, Stephen wrote:
> > On 17/03/2014 12:17 PM, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> >> For now, this will be the final render. Some minor changes are still
> >> possible but those need more study.
> >>
> >> In the Great Scheme of Things, this is Cathy's World #12.
> >>
> >
> > She is going to be a force to reckon with. If she makes it to
> > adolescence. ;-)
>
> Yes, and somehow, I know she will make it. She is the kind of person
> that survives (an thrives) in difficult situations like the world she
> has to cope with: one of the possible/likely scenarios deriving from our
> own.
>

Of course, or there would be no story. :-)


> >
> > A few comments about pipework.
> > Pipes that width would be supported by a yoke or framework in places
> > along it length. You never  rest a flange on a wall or both could be
> > damaged. And as for it disappearing into a wall without a gap. That is
> > okay as they are sometimes packed with flame damping material (cement
> > like material).
>
> I was afraid somebody would come up with that as I secretly also had
> considered the problem and discarded it for the time being out of pure
> laziness ;-)
>

I shall be your conscience. ;-)

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Le 14-03-17 11:35, Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> In the previous image, the pupils are dilated as the light was rather
> poor; If I contract the pupils, this is the result.
>
> Thomas

The eye lids are to human shaped. Cat's eyes are normaly much more 
rounded. Normaly, the irises show almost entirely and you see some white 
almost all the way around, except some very small gap top and bottom.

Also, I suspect that it's just a dog model morphed to look like a cat. 
The cat can elongate itself about 20% from rump to the base of it's 
skull. The shoulders are VERY mobile. They can be shifted verticaly at 
least 2/3 of the hight of the torso, and moved forward by almost as 
much. Both fore and back limbs can be crossed at the elbows or knees and 
moved outward enough to be horizontal for about 120° of lateral movement 
freedom.



Alain

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Le 17/03/2014 16:35, Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> In the previous image, the pupils are dilated as the light was rather
> poor; If I contract the pupils, this is the result.
>
> Thomas

If you search some models (like cat) go to TF3DM.com site, which 
supplies free models.

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On 19-3-2014 1:11, FractRacer wrote:
> If you search some models (like cat) go to TF3DM.com site, which
> supplies free models.
>

Hmm, yes. However, I need to animate them in Poser to be useful for 
me... those models do not have the right geometry.

Thomas

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On 18-3-2014 22:10, Alain wrote:
> The eye lids are to human shaped. Cat's eyes are normaly much more
> rounded. Normaly, the irises show almost entirely and you see some white
> almost all the way around, except some very small gap top and bottom.
>
> Also, I suspect that it's just a dog model morphed to look like a cat.
> The cat can elongate itself about 20% from rump to the base of it's
> skull. The shoulders are VERY mobile. They can be shifted verticaly at
> least 2/3 of the hight of the torso, and moved forward by almost as
> much. Both fore and back limbs can be crossed at the elbows or knees and
> moved outward enough to be horizontal for about 120° of lateral movement
> freedom.

The big problem with software like Poser, and to some extent Daz, is 
that they provide a few /good/ models, in terms of geometry etc, but 
also a mound of trash. I am not even sure if the models they sell are 
better than what they provide with the package. After all, many of those 
models are made by non-professionals.

[start rant; waves red flag]
It is really a shame and I consider it as one of those hateful outcomes 
of the free market free enterprise policies.
[end rant; folds red flag]

Thomas

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Sometimes, I like to just zoom in into the scene and see what happens. I 
did that with Gravity and immediately noticed necessary improvements to 
the backwall texture and the stone texture. After changing those, this 
is the result.

Thomas

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On 18-3-2014 22:10, Alain wrote:
> The eye lids are to human shaped. Cat's eyes are normaly much more
> rounded. Normaly, the irises show almost entirely and you see some white
> almost all the way around, except some very small gap top and bottom.

I opened the eyes more, which is generally a more cat-like aspect 
although they often half-close them too, depending on circumstances. I 
have not been owned by cats for nothing during most of my life :-) I any 
case, I think that the iris map provided with the model is not really good.

>
> Also, I suspect that it's just a dog model morphed to look like a cat.

That could very well be the case.

Thomas

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Le 14-03-19 08:32, Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> On 18-3-2014 22:10, Alain wrote:
>> The eye lids are to human shaped. Cat's eyes are normaly much more
>> rounded. Normaly, the irises show almost entirely and you see some white
>> almost all the way around, except some very small gap top and bottom.
>
> I opened the eyes more, which is generally a more cat-like aspect
> although they often half-close them too, depending on circumstances. I
> have not been owned by cats for nothing during most of my life :-) I any
> case, I think that the iris map provided with the model is not really good.
>
>>
>> Also, I suspect that it's just a dog model morphed to look like a cat.
>
> That could very well be the case.
>
> Thomas
>

The eyes are beter.

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Alain <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:

> >
>
> The eyes are beter.

Indeed! The ayes have it. ;-)

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On 20-3-2014 11:51, Stephen wrote:
> Alain <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> The eyes are beter.
>
> Indeed! The ayes have it. ;-)
>
>
Aye, aye, sir!

Thomas

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On 20/03/14 12:03, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> On 20-3-2014 11:51, Stephen wrote:
>> Alain <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The eyes are beter.
>>
>> Indeed! The ayes have it. ;-)
>>
>>
> Aye, aye, sir!
> 
> Thomas
> 

What is all this conversation about sqrt(-1)?

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On 20-3-2014 13:58, Doctor John wrote:
> On 20/03/14 12:03, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> On 20-3-2014 11:51, Stephen wrote:
>>> Alain <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The eyes are beter.
>>>
>>> Indeed! The ayes have it. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> Aye, aye, sir!
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>
> What is all this conversation about sqrt(-1)?

Don't you /see/ it?

Thomas

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Le 20/03/2014 14:05, Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> On 20-3-2014 13:58, Doctor John wrote:
>> On 20/03/14 12:03, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> On 20-3-2014 11:51, Stephen wrote:
>>>> Alain <kua### [at] videotronca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The eyes are beter.
>>>>
>>>> Indeed! The ayes have it. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Aye, aye, sir!
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>
>> What is all this conversation about sqrt(-1)?
>
> Don't you /see/ it?
>
> Thomas
>
Talking about imaginary eye?

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Final final version?

Texture changes and wall/floor anchors to the pipes (to calm my 
Conscience). Final render in UberPov (stochastic aa).

Thomas

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Le 20/03/2014 15:58, Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> Final final version?
>
> Texture changes and wall/floor anchors to the pipes (to calm my
> Conscience). Final render in UberPov (stochastic aa).
>
> Thomas

It is a good work. I made no critique to not disturb your conscience. 
No, really a good work you have made here, I like the details in this 
picture, anywhere you zoom you got a good image, I mean you can obtain 
different picture from the main one, example zooming on one people or on 
a pipe. Many focus make a good image. I hope to make me understand.

Lionel.

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On 20/03/2014 2:44 PM, FractRacer wrote:

>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The eyes are beter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed! The ayes have it. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Aye, aye, sir!

>>>
>>> What is all this conversation about sqrt(-1)?
>>
>> Don't you /see/ it?
>>
>>
> Talking about imaginary eye?
>

The third eye, aye?

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On 20-3-2014 18:49, FractRacer wrote:
> It is a good work. I made no critique to not disturb your conscience.
> No, really a good work you have made here, I like the details in this
> picture, anywhere you zoom you got a good image, I mean you can obtain
> different picture from the main one, example zooming on one people or on
> a pipe. Many focus make a good image. I hope to make me understand.
>
> Lionel.
>

J'ai parfaitement bien compris ;-)

I think the same. Zooming in highlights some obvious errors. However, be 
careful. Often a less detailed object or texture does well in the 
background and would be overkill if details were cranked up. There is a 
balance to find between what is necessary and what is acceptable or even 
useful.

Thomas

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> In the Great Scheme of Things, this is Cathy's World #12.

Is there a list or repository somewhere of the series?  A search of povray.org
turns up only 4 images, "Age of Innocence" (#1), "On the Streets" (#7), "Paris
by Night - 1951," and the present project, plus a cameo in the architecture
ensevelie/"On the Plain" scene.

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On 30/03/2014 10:55 PM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> In the Great Scheme of Things, this is Cathy's World #12.
>
> Is there a list or repository somewhere of the series?  A search of povray.org
> turns up only 4 images, "Age of Innocence" (#1), "On the Streets" (#7), "Paris
> by Night - 1951," and the present project, plus a cameo in the architecture
> ensevelie/"On the Plain" scene.
>
>

Hi Cuz
At the TC-RTC, if you are a member, you will be able to look at the 
Competition Archive Area. Where you will be able to see all of the 
entries. I am sure that you would be able to find more of them there.
We have plans to update the site and one of the new features will be a 
gallery or member's portfolio. Just for you, here is a sneak preview of 
Thomas's.

http://www.tc-rtc.co.uk/portfolio/ThomdeG/index.html

They are not actually tagged Cathy's World but...

For comparison here is mine. And I must point out most of mine are 
entered just to make up the numbers and are meant to be humorous. :-)
The animations do not link/show properly. :-(

http://www.tc-rtc.co.uk/portfolio/stephen/index.html


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On 31-3-2014 0:51, Stephen wrote:
> On 30/03/2014 10:55 PM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
>> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>>> In the Great Scheme of Things, this is Cathy's World #12.
>>
>> Is there a list or repository somewhere of the series?  A search of
>> povray.org
>> turns up only 4 images, "Age of Innocence" (#1), "On the Streets"
>> (#7), "Paris
>> by Night - 1951," and the present project, plus a cameo in the
>> architecture
>> ensevelie/"On the Plain" scene.
>>
>>
>
> Hi Cuz
> At the TC-RTC, if you are a member, you will be able to look at the
> Competition Archive Area. Where you will be able to see all of the
> entries. I am sure that you would be able to find more of them there.
> We have plans to update the site and one of the new features will be a
> gallery or member's portfolio. Just for you, here is a sneak preview of
> Thomas's.
>
> http://www.tc-rtc.co.uk/portfolio/ThomdeG/index.html
>
> They are not actually tagged Cathy's World but...
>
> For comparison here is mine. And I must point out most of mine are
> entered just to make up the numbers and are meant to be humorous. :-)
> The animations do not link/show properly. :-(
>
> http://www.tc-rtc.co.uk/portfolio/stephen/index.html
>
>

The Portfolio offers a view of most of Cathy's World. Except for p.b.i. 
there is no other public repository. The official names are as follows 
but may have been presented under a different name:

#1 Age of Innocence 
(http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.images/message/%3C45699b36%40news.povray.org%3E/#%3C45699b36%40news.povray.org%3E)
#2 Stalker Tunnel (aka Age of Curiosity; 
http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.images/thread/%3C462209fe@news.povray.org%3E/?ttop=351651&toff=1650)
#3 A Time of Change (somewhere on p.b.i.)
#4 The Bridge Builders (TC-RTC)
#5 De Dulle Griet (unfinished)
#6 Captain Nemo (aka N; TC-RTC)
#7 On the Streets 
(http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.images/message/%3C49afd5d5%40news.povray.org%3E/#%3C49afd5d5%40news.povray.org%3E)
#8 At the Cenotaph (unfinished; 
http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.images/thread/%3C4a87f5e8@news.povray.org%3E/?ttop=319310
#9 On the Plains (TC-RTC)
#10 Across the Fields (TC-RTC)
#11 Glass (TC-RTC)
#12 Gravity

'Paris la Nuit' (TC-RTC) is not officially part of the series although 
Cathy appears in it.

Other known series are: Tina Chep (6 scenes) and Iskander (14 scenes).

My oldest series was called "Les Annales" which paralleled Gilles Tran's 
Oyonale before I even knew that last one to exist! Great minds think 
alike ;-)

Thomas

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