The Satrap's hitmen having /persuaded/ me to return to Gancaloon and do 
something about the harbour, you see me standing on the quay, musing 
about what to do next.

Thomas

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Le 31/08/2012 10:33, Thomas de Groot a écrit :
> The Satrap's hitmen having /persuaded/ me to return to Gancaloon and do
> something about the harbour, you see me standing on the quay, musing
> about what to do next.
> 
> Thomas


Awesome.

Now, for a sailor, or someone which was on boat lately, the tan of the
skin is far too white.

Maybe you're bald, but what about facial hair ? Was there any barber on
the boat ?

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On 31-8-2012 10:51, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> Awesome.

Not yet ;-)
>
> Now, for a sailor, or someone which was on boat lately, the tan of the
> skin is far too white.

I was just dropped there coming from a rainy country ;-)

>
> Maybe you're bald, but what about facial hair ? Was there any barber on
> the boat ?

All the result of the /gentle persuasion/ of the Satrap's hitmen...


Thomas

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> On 31-8-2012 10:51, Le_Forgeron wrote:
> > Awesome.
>
> Not yet ;-)
> >
> > Now, for a sailor, or someone which was on boat lately, the tan of the
> > skin is far too white.
>
> I was just dropped there coming from a rainy country ;-)
>
> >
> > Maybe you're bald, but what about facial hair ? Was there any barber on
> > the boat ?
>
> All the result of the /gentle persuasion/ of the Satrap's hitmen...
>
>
> Thomas

Wonderful, I really like your Gancaloon-Series. Can I get an abo? The only
complaint I have with this picture is that the walls are only white. As I
understood it so far, Gancaloon is situated in an kind of hittites setting, who
are known for a special kind of brick laying architecture. And have no white
painted walls.

Best regards,
Michael

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On 31-8-2012 20:43, MichaelJF wrote:
> Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
>> On 31-8-2012 10:51, Le_Forgeron wrote:
>>> Awesome.
>>
>> Not yet ;-)
>>>
>>> Now, for a sailor, or someone which was on boat lately, the tan of the
>>> skin is far too white.
>>
>> I was just dropped there coming from a rainy country ;-)
>>
>>>
>>> Maybe you're bald, but what about facial hair ? Was there any barber on
>>> the boat ?
>>
>> All the result of the /gentle persuasion/ of the Satrap's hitmen...
>>
>>
>> Thomas
>
> Wonderful, I really like your Gancaloon-Series. Can I get an abo?

Thanks indeed. What is an abo?


> The only complaint I have with this picture is that the walls are only white. As I
> understood it so far, Gancaloon is situated in an kind of hittites setting, who
> are known for a special kind of brick laying architecture. And have no white
> painted walls.
>

Of course. As you may remember, This is the /faked/ urbanism which is 
only good looking from a distance. Up close I shall have to find another 
solution with /real/ houses. First of all, the water front is going to 
be occupied by store houses which will partly hide the offensive hovels ;-)

Not a Hittite setting, although you give me an idea to pursue further in 
terms of urbanism; The city is mainly Greek with several foreign 
influences (India in particular).

Thomas

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Thomas de Groot wrote:

> The Satrap's hitmen having /persuaded/ me to return to Gancaloon and do 
> something about the harbour, you see me standing on the quay, musing 
> about what to do next.

very nice. I also found the blank walls of the generated houses to
be the most obvious problem. While you may try to hide them with real
architecture it may be tedious to have to hide everything and it's also
visible in the distance. So it might be useful to play with some greeble
like texture for the vertical walls to give an impression of windows,
wooden beams, bricks, cracks or whatever is appropriate.

And of course the roof texture could also be more interesting than
gray. I assume you currently use a slope pattern to determine the color,
but you can of course use that with an arbitrary texture_map, too.

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On 1-9-2012 14:49, Christian Froeschlin wrote:
> very nice. I also found the blank walls of the generated houses to
> be the most obvious problem. While you may try to hide them with real
> architecture it may be tedious to have to hide everything and it's also
> visible in the distance. So it might be useful to play with some greeble
> like texture for the vertical walls to give an impression of windows,
> wooden beams, bricks, cracks or whatever is appropriate.

Yes that might be a compromise. Except for the geometry I have not paid 
much attention to this.

>
> And of course the roof texture could also be more interesting than
> gray. I assume you currently use a slope pattern to determine the color,
> but you can of course use that with an arbitrary texture_map, too.

No, it is rather crude, using cells pigment with grey and white. Needs 
looking into while also needing some readjustments. I could probably 
make it much more believable even from fairly close up. One of the 
million things to do in this world ;-)

Thomas

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On 31/08/12 10:33, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> The Satrap's hitmen having /persuaded/ me to return to Gancaloon and
> do something about the harbour, you see me standing on the quay,
> musing about what to do next.

   But you should be looking down... that floor really needs not get ride
of the repetition. :) For a start, you could just scale it bigger.

   Otherwise, it's developing very nicely. I'm really looking to see this
place completed some day... I know you have the patience, ;)

--
Jaime

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On 2-9-2012 10:25, Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
>    But you should be looking down... that floor really needs not get ride
> of the repetition. :) For a start, you could just scale it bigger.

Yes, yes, already improved (scaling indeed, and use of pigment_pattern. 
Still some repetitions to hide by miscellaneous objects...

>
>    Otherwise, it's developing very nicely. I'm really looking to see this
> place completed some day... I know you have the patience, ;)

I hope to see it finished one day... probably impossible in my life time.

Thomas

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> Thanks indeed. What is an abo?

Sorry, a simple translation error. I believed the original French "abonnement"
has intruded the English as well as the German. It is subscription in English.


Best regards,
Michael

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On 2-9-2012 18:41, MichaelJF wrote:
>
>> Thanks indeed. What is an abo?
>
> Sorry, a simple translation error. I believed the original French "abonnement"
> has intruded the English as well as the German. It is subscription in English.

It was what I thought it to be, but wanted confirmation.

All POV-Ray users have an automatic /abonnement/  ;-)

Thomas

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As I always keep examples of work in progress, this is the next stage. 
Textures are not in final stage.

Thomas

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Thomas de Groot <tho### [at] degrootorg> wrote:
> As I always keep examples of work in progress, this is the next stage.
> Textures are not in final stage.
>
> Thomas

This is looking really nice so far Thomas. The foreground bricks are much better
with the larger scale, and I see you've given the sailor a tan (although I
personally like his colourful trousers more than these new ones). The statue on
the far side of the harbour is a nice touch, as are the new buildings (to hide
some of the closer stand-in houses?).

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On 5-9-2012 16:49, Robert McGregor wrote:
> This is looking really nice so far Thomas. The foreground bricks are much better
> with the larger scale, and I see you've given the sailor a tan (although I
> personally like his colourful trousers more than these new ones). The statue on
> the far side of the harbour is a nice touch, as are the new buildings (to hide
> some of the closer stand-in houses?).
>

Thanks Robert.

I shall probably work a bit more on the ground pattern.

The trousers pattern is still in flux and can change unpredictably ;-)

The statue of Athena I came across when I browsed through my objects 
(Taschen) collection. It seemed the right guardian for the harbour.

The buildings were planned all along. They are inspired by the Stoa of 
most Greek polis. They are a combination of warehouses, markets, and 
meeting places.

Thomas

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Robert McGregor wrote:

> The statue on the far side of the harbour is a nice touch

Indeed, although I think the scale is a bit exaggerated. Of course,
it might be a coloss of rhodos thing but you probably wouldn't tuck
that into a harbour corner. Also, it looks a bitmetallic to me, maybe
a stone statue would fit in better.

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On 6-9-2012 1:19, Christian Froeschlin wrote:
> Robert McGregor wrote:
>
>> The statue on the far side of the harbour is a nice touch
>
> Indeed, although I think the scale is a bit exaggerated. Of course,
> it might be a coloss of rhodos thing but you probably wouldn't tuck
> that into a harbour corner. Also, it looks a bitmetallic to me, maybe
> a stone statue would fit in better.
>

<grin> All kind of things that will be tackled in due course.

Thomas

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On 05/09/12 13:13, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> As I always keep examples of work in progress, this is the next
> stage. Textures are not in final stage.
>

   The scale on the floor is at a correct scale now, I think... just
needs to fit the lighting on the scene: perhaps rotating 180*y will do it.

   I like better the skin work on the figure on this one. The cloth is
perhaps less colorful, but more suited for the occasion, I guess.

--
jaime

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On 6-9-2012 10:07, Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
> On 05/09/12 13:13, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> As I always keep examples of work in progress, this is the next
>> stage. Textures are not in final stage.
>>
>
>    The scale on the floor is at a correct scale now, I think... just
> needs to fit the lighting on the scene: perhaps rotating 180*y will do it.

It /is/ already rotated 180*y, but I think I see what you mean. The 
image should possibly be mirrored too. I shall investigate. Thanks for 
this keen observation :-)

>
>    I like better the skin work on the figure on this one. The cloth is
> perhaps less colorful, but more suited for the occasion, I guess.

In fact this figure is low res (Don; Poser 5) which I generally use for 
scale purposes and in background positions. It does a fairly good job in 
this image although normally I use the later Poser 6 to 8 or Apollo 
Maximus figures in the foreground.

Like many, I like to use colourful cloth and I force myself to also use 
less pretty ones. Here, this kind of sacking is better adapted to the 
occasion indeed.

Thomas

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On 6-9-2012 1:19, Christian Froeschlin wrote:
> Indeed, although I think the scale is a bit exaggerated. Of course,
> it might be a coloss of rhodos thing but you probably wouldn't tuck
> that into a harbour corner. Also, it looks a bitmetallic to me, maybe
> a stone statue would fit in better.

The colossus of Rhodos was predominantly in my mind of course. In Greek 
temples, statues were often oversized, sometimes almost touching the 
ceiling. Must have been an awesome sight, as was intended I suppose. So, 
this statue which is about 8 times human scale should be an eye-catcher 
when sailing into the harbour.

Thomas

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I note the very natural attitude of the character.
To criticize Maybe too specular on the skin.

Je note l'attitude très naturel du personnage.
Pour critiquer, Peut être trop de spéculaire sur la peau.

-- 
A+
Ferdinand

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On 9-9-2012 13:55, Ferdinand wrote:
> I note the very natural attitude of the character.
> To criticize Maybe too specular on the skin.

Thanks, and correct indeed. I boosted it a bit too much (warm climate?).
>
> Je note l'attitude très naturel du personnage.
> Pour critiquer, Peut être trop de spéculaire sur la peau.

Merci, et effectivement vrai. Je l'ai exagéré un peu trop (climat chaud?).

Thomas

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