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From: Thomas de Groot
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Date: 20 Jul 2009 08:34:40
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The Cenotaph for Newton designed by the visionnary 18th century architect 
Etienne-Louis Boullée, is fascinating to reconstruct. This is a first draft 
of the building, done in good old Moray. If you look carefully, you will see 
a tiny figure close to the entrance. It shows the sheer size of the whole 
construction.

-- 
All the best,

Thomas

"Sic vive, tanquam cras moriturus, sic stude, quasi semper victurus." 
Desiderius Erasmus


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Etienne-Louis Boull=E9e: Cenotaph for Newton (1784) WIP
Date: 20 Jul 2009 09:30:00
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"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> The Cenotaph for Newton designed by the visionnary 18th century architect
> Etienne-Louis Boullée, is fascinating to reconstruct. This is a first draft
> of the building, done in good old Moray. If you look carefully, you will see
> a tiny figure close to the entrance. It shows the sheer size of the whole
> construction.

Somewhat pale. Gamma? Ambient?

(hmm... thinking about the building itself: Could just as well be German
architecture from the second quarter of 20th century...)


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From: Kenneth
Subject: Re: Etienne-Louis Boull=E9e: Cenotaph for Newton (1784) WIP
Date: 21 Jul 2009 01:50:00
Message: <web.4a655688e82ca1f8f50167bc0@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> The Cenotaph for Newton designed by the visionnary 18th century architect
> Etienne-Louis Boullée, is fascinating to reconstruct. This is a first draft
> of the building, done in good old Moray. If you look carefully, you will see
> a tiny figure close to the entrance. It shows the sheer size of the whole
> construction.
>

I had to look this up in Wikipedia; what a monumental design!  "A sphere 500
feet high..." I wonder if that's even larger (in diameter) than the dome of St.
Peter's Basilica in Rome? It appears to be.

It seems to bear striking similarities to Albert Speer's later designs for
Adolphe Hitler--basic shapes and forms on a grand scale.

Nice modeling work!

Ken W.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Etienne-Louis Boull=E9e: Cenotaph for Newton (1784) WIP
Date: 21 Jul 2009 05:20:01
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"Kenneth" <kdw### [at] earthlinknet> schreef in bericht 
news:web.4a655688e82ca1f8f50167bc0@news.povray.org...
> I had to look this up in Wikipedia; what a monumental design!  "A sphere 
> 500
> feet high..." I wonder if that's even larger (in diameter) than the dome 
> of St.
> Peter's Basilica in Rome? It appears to be.

I am not sure, but it could well be indeed.

> It seems to bear striking similarities to Albert Speer's later designs for
> Adolphe Hitler--basic shapes and forms on a grand scale.

Interesting you say that, like Clipka. The philosophy behind those designs 
was of course totally different, but I wonder to what extent Boullée did 
influence Speer indeed, and also I guess, the 'organic' architecture.

Contrary to Speer who wanted to show-off the dominance of man in grandiose 
architecture, the giant geometric forms of Boullée where intended to create 
awe for nature, in particular with this cenotaph. The interior in particular 
would have been breath-taking with simulated night sky.


> Nice modeling work!

Thanks! I shall try to add all exterior details and make the trees more 
random, and then see if I can do something worthwhile with the interior. Not 
sure, though...

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
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Date: 2 Aug 2009 04:31:29
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An update of the cenotaph. You may be interested to know that the 
"toothpaste tube end" (see: povray.general "Problem shaping a CSG object") 
was used for cutting out the outer rampart of the building.

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
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Date: 2 Aug 2009 10:36:30
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... and a tantalizing view towards the interior.

When you compare this with the original by Boullée (e.g. 
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%C3%89tienne-Louis_Boull%C3%A9e_Memorial_Newton_Night.jpg)

you can notice some inconsistencies in the engraving. The doorway is clearly 
through a hemispherical wall, but the way Boullée represents this can only 
be achieved with a cylindrical wall. By modelling the building I came across 
this (and other "impossibilities").

Thomas


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Etienne-Louis Newton_(1784)_WIP_2
Date: 2 Aug 2009 12:59:31
Message: <4a75c5f3$1@news.povray.org>
The trees look a bit... flat.


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: Etienne-Louis Newton_(1784)_WIP_2
Date: 2 Aug 2009 14:35:53
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Warp a écrit :
>   The trees look a bit... flat.

That's probably because they are still place holders for the definite 
trees. They may also have to much ambient.


Alain


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From: Thomas de Groot
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Date: 3 Aug 2009 03:20:51
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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> schreef in bericht 
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>  The trees look a bit... flat.

Oh yes! Like Alain says, they are just copies of one placeholder, not even 
rotated randomly. Will be corrected later.

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
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Date: 3 Aug 2009 03:23:07
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"Alain" <aze### [at] qwertyorg> schreef in bericht 
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> Warp a écrit :
>>   The trees look a bit... flat.
>
> That's probably because they are still place holders for the definite 
> trees. They may also have to much ambient.

No. No ambient present at all. Overall, I only increased the luminosity of 
the sun. However, the tree textures are too light. Like you say: place 
holders.

Thomas


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: Etienne-Louis Newton_(1784)_WIP_2
Date: 3 Aug 2009 09:34:35
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Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> schreef in bericht 
> news:4a75c5f3$1@news.povray.org...
>>  The trees look a bit... flat.
> 
> Oh yes! Like Alain says, they are just copies of one placeholder, not even 
> rotated randomly. Will be corrected later.

  If you rotate them so that they face the camera, they will act as
billboard sprites and look a lot better. :)


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: Etienne-Louis Boull=E9e: Cenotaph for Newton (1784) WIP 2
Date: 3 Aug 2009 14:10:00
Message: <web.4a7726e7613e773aa107abcd0@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> When you compare this with the original by Boullée (e.g.
>
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%C3%89tienne-Louis_Boull%C3%A9e_Memorial_Newton_Night.jpg)
> you can notice some inconsistencies in the engraving. The doorway is clearly
> through a hemispherical wall, but the way Boullée represents this can only
> be achieved with a cylindrical wall. By modelling the building I came across
> this (and other "impossibilities").

???

If I understand Boullee's design correctly, the base *is* cylindrical - or isn't
it? He just seems to have chosen a clever shape for the "sideburns" to
complement the hemispherical top.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Etienne-Louis Boull=E9e: Cenotaph for Newton (1784) WIP 2
Date: 4 Aug 2009 03:57:02
Message: <4a77e9ce$1@news.povray.org>
"clipka" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht 
news:web.4a7726e7613e773aa107abcd0@news.povray.org...
> "Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
>> When you compare this with the original by Boullée (e.g.
>>
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%C3%89tienne-Louis_Boull%C3%A9e_Memorial_Newton_Night.jpg)
>> you can notice some inconsistencies in the engraving. The doorway is 
>> clearly
>> through a hemispherical wall, but the way Boullée represents this can 
>> only
>> be achieved with a cylindrical wall. By modelling the building I came 
>> across
>> this (and other "impossibilities").
>
> ???
>
> If I understand Boullee's design correctly, the base *is* cylindrical - or 
> isn't
> it? He just seems to have chosen a clever shape for the "sideburns" to
> complement the hemispherical top.
>
My understanding is different, from viewing the way the shadows fall on the 
wall, the apparent flaring form of the "sideburns" which is not so from the 
top view by Boullée. A hemispheric wall is "consistent" with the whole 
design of the building.

In any case, I am now also adding my own details, trying to keep the overal 
spirit. :-)

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
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Date: 4 Aug 2009 04:02:50
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"Warp" <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> schreef in bericht 
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>
>  If you rotate them so that they face the camera, they will act as
> billboard sprites and look a lot better. :)

Sorry, I explained badly. The very basic trees consist of a conical 
bicubic_patch object and a cylinder. No billboards. The flatness comes from 
the single colour textures.

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
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Date: 4 Aug 2009 09:59:26
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In order to show in what direction, away from the original, the cenotaph is 
going.

Thomas


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From: Sven Littkowski
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Date: 13 Sep 2009 02:46:56
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Nice project, but way too much dust or fog in the atmosphere, all colors are 
washed out.


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