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Just starting work on placing stones for a Stonehenge model and using
most recent research which suggests that it had an open side. Sun
direction is that at sunset on mid-winter's day.
ATM the stones are textured superellipsoids but I will be using
isosurfaces for the completed model (see my post in p.general for a bit
of the isosuface code)
John
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"Eppur si muove" - Galileo Galilei
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On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 15:07:55 +0100, Doctor John <joh### [at] home com> wrote:
>Just starting work on placing stones for a Stonehenge model and using
>most recent research which suggests that it had an open side. Sun
>direction is that at sunset on mid-winter's day.
>ATM the stones are textured superellipsoids but I will be using
>isosurfaces for the completed model (see my post in p.general for a bit
>of the isosuface code)
>
I can just see you dancing around in the nudie come mid winter :-)
Nice idea, brother.
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Stephen
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"Doctor John" <joh### [at] homecom> schreef in bericht
news:4a5b4383@news.povray.org...
> Just starting work on placing stones for a Stonehenge model and using
> most recent research which suggests that it had an open side. Sun
> direction is that at sunset on mid-winter's day.
> ATM the stones are textured superellipsoids but I will be using
> isosurfaces for the completed model (see my post in p.general for a bit
> of the isosuface code)
>
An open side?? I missed that info apparently....
Thomas
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"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> "Doctor John" <joh### [at] homecom> schreef in bericht
> news:4a5b4383@news.povray.org...
> > Just starting work on placing stones for a Stonehenge model and using
> > most recent research which suggests that it had an open side. Sun
> > direction is that at sunset on mid-winter's day.
> > ATM the stones are textured superellipsoids but I will be using
> > isosurfaces for the completed model (see my post in p.general for a bit
> > of the isosuface code)
>
> An open side?? I missed that info apparently....
Seems like archeologists have been focused so much on complete circles that they
rather tried to explain the lack of stones in the southwestern quarter by either
the stones having been removed later (hum, shouldn't they find traces of
filled-up holes then?), or the work having been abandoned before completion -
instead of going for the equally plausible explanation that the architects were
bored with those old full circles and decided to leave it partly open on
purpose. After all, the inner set of stones isn't circular either, right? And I
find it striking that the "missing" stones are just at the opposite of the
entrance.
I guess close examination of the "corner stones" and associated lintels might
give hints. If the structure or dimensions differ significantly from the
average stones, that would suggest the opening to be intentional. Maybe they
have recent news there.
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"clipka" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht
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> Seems like archeologists have been focused so much on complete circles
> that they
> rather tried to explain the lack of stones in the southwestern quarter by
> either
> the stones having been removed later (hum, shouldn't they find traces of
> filled-up holes then?), or the work having been abandoned before
> completion -
> instead of going for the equally plausible explanation that the architects
> were
> bored with those old full circles and decided to leave it partly open on
> purpose. After all, the inner set of stones isn't circular either, right?
> And I
> find it striking that the "missing" stones are just at the opposite of the
> entrance.
>
> I guess close examination of the "corner stones" and associated lintels
> might
> give hints. If the structure or dimensions differ significantly from the
> average stones, that would suggest the opening to be intentional. Maybe
> they
> have recent news there.
Intriguing. This opens up a whole new perspective on the basic concept of
stone circles.
Thomas
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"clipka" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht
> news:web.4a5ca54e995a17e55fee4dc70@news.povray.org...
>> Seems like archeologists have been focused so much on complete circles
>> that they
>> rather tried to explain the lack of stones in the southwestern quarter by
>> either
>> the stones having been removed later (hum, shouldn't they find traces of
>> filled-up holes then?), or the work having been abandoned before
>> completion -
>> instead of going for the equally plausible explanation that the architects
>> were
>> bored with those old full circles and decided to leave it partly open on
>> purpose. After all, the inner set of stones isn't circular either, right?
>> And I
>> find it striking that the "missing" stones are just at the opposite of the
>> entrance.
>>
>> I guess close examination of the "corner stones" and associated lintels
>> might
>> give hints. If the structure or dimensions differ significantly from the
>> average stones, that would suggest the opening to be intentional. Maybe
>> they
>> have recent news there.
Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Intriguing. This opens up a whole new perspective on the basic concept of
> stone circles.
>
> Thomas
>
From what I've read and (I think) understood, the latest research
suggests that Stonehenge was associated with death and possibly rebirth.
The open side is oriented with the setting sun on the winter solstice.
The avenue which is oriented north-east towards the rising sun on the
summer solstice connects with the Avon. You cross that and head for the
place of the living which is Woodhenge. I find this explanation more
convincing mainly because seeing stone as dead and unchanging and wood
as alive and growing leads one to naturally to building your 'temples'
to both death and life in their associated material.
BTW I find it amusing that the modern "druids" might be celebrating
midsummer's day in the wrong place.
John
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"Eppur si muove" - Galileo Galilei
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"Doctor John" <joh### [at] homecom> wrote in message
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> From what I've read and (I think) understood, the latest research
> suggests that Stonehenge was associated with death and possibly rebirth.
> The open side is oriented with the setting sun on the winter solstice.
> ...
> BTW I find it amusing that the modern "druids" might be celebrating
> midsummer's day in the wrong place.
>
Also, I've just read that there's no record of Druids before 200BC, so the
modern folk are perfoming rituals for which there's little historical
evidence, probably in the wrong place, facing the wrong way, at the wrong
time of year. Still, anyone can make a mistake.
Chris B.
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"Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> schreef in bericht
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>
> "Doctor John" <joh### [at] homecom> wrote in message
> news:4a5da939@news.povray.org...
>> From what I've read and (I think) understood, the latest research
>> suggests that Stonehenge was associated with death and possibly rebirth.
>> The open side is oriented with the setting sun on the winter solstice.
>> ...
>> BTW I find it amusing that the modern "druids" might be celebrating
>> midsummer's day in the wrong place.
>>
>
> Also, I've just read that there's no record of Druids before 200BC, so the
> modern folk are perfoming rituals for which there's little historical
> evidence, probably in the wrong place, facing the wrong way, at the wrong
> time of year. Still, anyone can make a mistake.
>
Absolutely. As far as I know, Stonehenge was built long before druidism
became the leading religion in Celtic Europe. Do you know of the Riverside
Project in 2008? That gave some interesting clues about the use of
Stonehenge as a healing center.
http://www.shef.ac.uk/archaeology/research/stonehenge
Thomas
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"Thomas de Groot" <tDOTdegroot@interDOTnlANOTHERDOTnet> wrote:
> Intriguing. This opens up a whole new perspective on the basic concept of
> stone circles.
.... except that I guess we must invent a new word for those thingumajigs :P
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Doctor John <joh### [at] homecom> wrote:
> From what I've read and (I think) understood, the latest research
> suggests that Stonehenge was associated with death and possibly rebirth.
> The open side is oriented with the setting sun on the winter solstice.
> The avenue which is oriented north-east towards the rising sun on the
> summer solstice connects with the Avon. You cross that and head for the
> place of the living which is Woodhenge. I find this explanation more
> convincing mainly because seeing stone as dead and unchanging and wood
> as alive and growing leads one to naturally to building your 'temples'
> to both death and life in their associated material.
I must say that I favor a theory of changing use over time. After all, the site
was in use for at least about 1000 years, and the design changed multiple
times.
> BTW I find it amusing that the modern "druids" might be celebrating
> midsummer's day in the wrong place.
Not only that - they're utterly mixing up different cults; stonehenge was built
millennia before druidic times :P
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"clipka" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> Doctor John <joh### [at] homecom> wrote:
> > BTW I find it amusing that the modern "druids" might be celebrating
> > midsummer's day in the wrong place.
>
> Not only that - they're utterly mixing up different cults; stonehenge was built
> millennia before druidic times :P
Modern Druidism was invented by the Victorian gentry
Stephen
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"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> wrote in message
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> "clipka" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>>
>> They're utterly mixing up different cults; stonehenge was built
>> millennia before druidic times :P
>
> Modern Druidism was invented by the Victorian gentry
>
Well at least the modern druids existed when it was built the second time
then :-)
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_01/Stonehenge1964b_468x594.jpg
Chris B.
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On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 18:22:29 +0100, "Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote:
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>"Stephen" <mcavoys_AT_aolDOT.com> wrote in message
>news:web.4a5e0d10995a17e55fd99d9e0@news.povray.org...
>> "clipka" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>>>
>>> They're utterly mixing up different cults; stonehenge was built
>>> millennia before druidic times :P
>>
>> Modern Druidism was invented by the Victorian gentry
>>
>
>
>Well at least the modern druids existed when it was built the second time
>then :-)
>
>http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_01/Stonehenge1964b_468x594.jpg
>
>Chris B.
How right you are :)
For some reason my newsreader attached this to a post in 2000 "Motobike with
Blobman" ???
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Stephen
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"Stephen" <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote in message
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>
> For some reason my newsreader attached this to a post in 2000 "Motobike
> with
> Blobman" ???
>
Wow! I posted it from Windows Mail on Vista (what used to be Outlook).
I've looked at it both on Windows Mail and Thunderbird and it puts it in the
right place on the Stonehenge thread in both those.
Having said that, the reason I downloaded Thunderbird last night was because
I'd noticed some strange things happening on these newsgroups. I've seen a
high number of dissappearing messages recently. For example I can see
several replies on 'newusers', without the original messages. When this
sort of thing happened using Outlook on NT a couple of years ago I was told
it was my newsreader not taking account of sequential numbers allocated to
posts that had been deleted where the number was subsequently reused by the
server. I don't know how true that is, or whether there's anything can be
done about that if that's what's happening.
What news reader are you using?
Regards,
Chris B.
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On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:55:09 +0100, "Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote:
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>What news reader are you using?
I'm using Agent and it's at fault. I checked your post using IE8 and the
sequence is fine.
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Stephen
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:14:47 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
>On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:55:09 +0100, "Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote:
>
>>
>>What news reader are you using?
>
>I'm using Agent and it's at fault. I checked your post using IE8 and the
>sequence is fine.
I changed the sort method to author then back to subject and everything is in
its proper place now. Weird.
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Stephen
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:58:04 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
>On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:14:47 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:55:09 +0100, "Chris B" <nom### [at] nomailcom> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>What news reader are you using?
>>
>>I'm using Agent and it's at fault. I checked your post using IE8 and the
>>sequence is fine.
>
>I changed the sort method to author then back to subject and everything is in
>its proper place now. Weird.
When I switched off UAC to install Pov 3.7 Agent lost all the bodied of all the
messages posted in the last month. Very very weird.
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Stephen
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Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
> >>I'm using Agent and it's at fault. I checked your post using IE8 and the
> >>sequence is fine.
> >
> >I changed the sort method to author then back to subject and everything is in
> >its proper place now. Weird.
>
> When I switched off UAC to install Pov 3.7 Agent lost all the bodied of all the
> messages posted in the last month. Very very weird.
Sounds like this Agent thing is *not* a software to be recommended...
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On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:20:29 EDT, "clipka" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
>> >>I'm using Agent and it's at fault. I checked your post using IE8 and the
>> >>sequence is fine.
>> >
>> >I changed the sort method to author then back to subject and everything is in
>> >its proper place now. Weird.
>>
>> When I switched off UAC to install Pov 3.7 Agent lost all the bodied of all the
>> messages posted in the last month. Very very weird.
>
>Sounds like this Agent thing is *not* a software to be recommended...
>
>
Well I started using Free Agent years ago and was happy with it. Then I bought
Agent when I had to upgrade and wanted to keep all of the OT posts. Please don't
ask me why :)
I'm thinking of changing to something that will work with PSP. Just now instead
of clicking on an image in a post I need to save it in another directory then
open the directory and browse it with PSP. Upgrading from the no longer
supported Free Agent was a mistake.
Any recommendations?
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Stephen
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