Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> schreef in bericht 
> news:4a073fd8@news.povray.org...
>> On old typewriters, the carriage return was often on the left.
> 
> 'often'?! I would say 'always', 

The lever could be on either side.  At this point, I don't even remember 
which side eventually became standard. I haven't touched a typewriter in 3+ 
decades... :-)

Left:
http://adaptablearts.com/media/3/20080607-Typewriter%20009%20800x600.jpg

http://www.mrmartinweb.com/images/type/gourlandside.jpg

Right:

http://www.screenplayshootout.com/images/antique_typewriter.jpg

http://www.hrtyrergalleries.com/images/172.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3119/3169211586_b4fd4dd7fa.jpg

http://www.worldcollectorsnet.com/antiquetypewriters/Caligraph%202s.jpg

This looks like what I had. :-)

http://www.harrisoncountyky.us/publications/images/image-of-an-antique-typewriter.jpg

Eventually one side was standardized on, and I think it was the right side, 
and people were taught to put the handwritten thing they're copying on the left.

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   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!

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> Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
>> Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:
>>> the carriage return is on the wrong side!
>> On old typewriters, the carriage return was often on the left.
> 
> On mechanical typewriters it *MUST* be on the left for the standard LTR
> writing direction...
> 
> 

   Just to clarify, my original model had it on the right side (surely
because I did a mistake), but it come out on the left on this image because
I had flipped the camera horizontally.

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Jaime

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Darren New <dne### [at] sanrrcom> wrote:
> Eventually one side was standardized on, and I think it was the right side,
> and people were taught to put the handwritten thing they're copying on the left.

Positively not: I recall hacking away on my dad's "modern" mechanical
typewriter, and that a "carriage return" would involve *pushing* (not pulling)
the carriage back, so the maneuver must have been carried out with the left
hand (given that, regardless of which side the lever was attached, a carriage
return maneuver must have moved the carriage from the left to the right). This
would also load a spring, that would provide for the energy required to move
the carriage leftwards while typing.

(It strikes me that during all the development of the mechanical typewriter,
nobody ever tried loading an even stronger spring by the carriage-return
action, and use its energy also to help actuate the type levers.)

I don't recall the brand or model my dad owned; but as operating the lever was
all that was needed to start a new a line - combining the function of both
carriage return and a line feed (with a configurable number of "ticks" per
line; I think it was either two or three) - I guess it must have been a Unix
machine :P

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On Mon, 11 May 2009 15:44:40 EDT, "clipka" <nomail@nomail> wrote:

>Positively not: I recall hacking away on my dad's "modern" mechanical
>typewriter, and that a "carriage return" would involve *pushing* (not pulling)
>the carriage back,

I remember when you had to hit the c/r before the l/f or the type would start
before the carriage got to the beginning. 

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Regards
     Stephen

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Sorry, I forgot to say something important about this scene: I saved *a lot*
of render time by using MegaPOV "max_trace_level 1" for the area_light. It's
a shame I just discovered this killer feature of MegaPOV... how I managed to
miss it so many years? :(

--
Jaime

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Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
> I remember when you had to hit the c/r before the l/f or the type would start
> before the carriage got to the beginning.

? Are you talking about *electrical* typewriters? Otherwise I fail to decode
your sentence.

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On Mon, 11 May 2009 18:19:09 EDT, "clipka" <nomail@nomail> wrote:

>Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
>> I remember when you had to hit the c/r before the l/f or the type would start
>> before the carriage got to the beginning.
>
>? Are you talking about *electrical* typewriters? Otherwise I fail to decode
>your sentence.
>
>
Yes, or TTYs ;)
-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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"Darren New" <dne### [at] sanrrcom> schreef in bericht 
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> Eventually one side was standardized on, and I think it was the right 
> side, and people were taught to put the handwritten thing they're copying 
> on the left.

Oh no!  Left side has become the standard! I don't know when that happened 
though. Like Christoph, I used to 'borrow' my dad's typewriter (he was a 
journalist) and remember that quite well. The oldest he has had (1920's 
1930's) were left sided already.

Thomas

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"Jaime Vives Piqueres" <jai### [at] ignoranciaorg> schreef in bericht 
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> Sorry, I forgot to say something important about this scene: I saved *a 
> lot*
> of render time by using MegaPOV "max_trace_level 1" for the area_light. 
> It's
> a shame I just discovered this killer feature of MegaPOV... how I managed 
> to
> miss it so many years? :(

Good point! You are not the only one: you have opened my eyes.  Thanks for 
waking me up.  :-)
Some would say: RTFM... ;-)

Thomas

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Jaime Vives Piqueres nous illumina en ce 2009-05-10 15:53 -->
> Here is an update on this one, trying to address some of the
> suggestions/criticism: as always you all did a good job, thanks!
> 
> On the last one I changed the format to portrait, but I cannot decide which
> approach one I like most... will surely stop there and just go onto
> something else, as usual.
> 
> -- 
> Jaime
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Nice. I like the portrait format beter, but I prefer the original wall paper 
over the new one. Not that it's not a nice one, but it looks out of place here.

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