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From: stbenge
Subject: Re: CA shell (132k jpg)
Date: 31 Mar 2009 02:54:12
Message: <49d1be14@news.povray.org>
Jim Charter wrote:
> stbenge wrote:
> 
> I remember a time when I actually understood what you were doing.

It's as easy as Pascal's triangle, and only gets better from there.

> You always seem to arrive at these things so casually.  Like you back 
> into the discovery while doing something else.

Sometimes that is the case. This time I had made the discoveries some 
time ago, but never put them together to produce an image like this one.

> Intriguing in the possibilities hinted at.  Could 'Cellular Automata' be 
> implemented as a POV procedural pattern?

I know it can, because I managed to do it. Attached is an example of the 
pattern so far. This is just one of many possibilities. This particular 
image exhibits the pattern's ability to exceed POV's 256 entry limit for 
the color_map function. I can exceed that number vertically, but not 
horizontally, for to do so might eat too much memory. I can make really 
long strips with this, a total of 255*128 cells. This one, stretched 
out, would be only four times its current height. Rendering the full 
length version caused my computer to start swapping the hard drive 
earlier today.

> Could the building blocks be actual building blocks, like bricks or 
> something?

Yes. To make it "physical" you could use inside() tests to check space 
for previously placed cells. By doing this you could break free of the 
usual grid restraints.

Sam


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From: Kenneth
Subject: Re: CA shell (132k jpg)
Date: 31 Mar 2009 05:00:00
Message: <web.49d1db44d610c01df50167bc0@news.povray.org>
I don't think I've seen anything like this in p.b.i--it's so different and
beautiful that it seems like a 'new direction' for POV-Ray. This has "Hall of
Fame" written all over it. I can't begin to imagine how you accomplished such a
work of art; it's sublime, and transcends technique.

KW


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From: Paul Fuller
Subject: Re: CA shell (132k jpg)
Date: 31 Mar 2009 06:46:49
Message: <49d1f499$1@news.povray.org>
Kenneth wrote:
> I don't think I've seen anything like this in p.b.i--it's so different and
> beautiful that it seems like a 'new direction' for POV-Ray. This has "Hall of
> Fame" written all over it. I can't begin to imagine how you accomplished such a
> work of art; it's sublime, and transcends technique.
> 
> KW
> 

ANKOS - A New Kind Of Shell :)


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From: Darren New
Subject: Re: CA shell (132k jpg)
Date: 31 Mar 2009 12:01:06
Message: <49d23e42$1@news.povray.org>
stbenge wrote:
> How does it happen?

Probably something like a CA, only implemented in biological chemistry.

-- 
   Darren New, San Diego CA, USA (PST)
   There's no CD like OCD, there's no CD I knoooow!


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: CA shell (132k jpg)
Date: 31 Mar 2009 13:05:00
Message: <web.49d24c45d610c01df708085d0@news.povray.org>
stbenge <^@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I sometimes wonder how certain shells have come to have such patterns on
> them. There is one CA sim based on Pascal's triangle which produces
> Sierpinki-esqu patterns, and I have seen something strikingly similar on
> a real shell. How does it happen?

Well, is it any surprise that organisms comprised of cells exhibit some
"cellular automaton" behavior? ;)


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From: m a r c
Subject: Re: CA shell (132k jpg)
Date: 31 Mar 2009 16:53:10
Message: <49d282b6@news.povray.org>

49d1f499$1@news.povray.org...
> Kenneth wrote:
>> I don't think I've seen anything like this in p.b.i--it's so different 
>> and
>> beautiful that it seems like a 'new direction' for POV-Ray. This has 
>> "Hall of
>> Fame" written all over it. I can't begin to imagine how you accomplished 
>> such a
>> work of art; it's sublime, and transcends technique.
>>
>> KW
>>
>
> ANKOS - A New Kind Of Shell :)

YAANA  - Yet Again A New Acronym ;)

Marc


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From: john
Subject: Re: CA shell (132k jpg)
Date: 1 Apr 2009 03:03:56
Message: <lr36t4h4cco5eiu3dniet1gjr0225mjp62@4ax.com>
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:00:53 EDT, "clipka" <nomail@nomail> wrote:

>stbenge <^@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I sometimes wonder how certain shells have come to have such patterns on
>> them. There is one CA sim based on Pascal's triangle which produces
>> Sierpinki-esqu patterns, and I have seen something strikingly similar on
>> a real shell. How does it happen?
>
>Well, is it any surprise that organisms comprised of cells exhibit some
>"cellular automaton" behavior? ;)
>
>

To quote from
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/11/061126121128.htm

Biology reveals that the shape and colour patterns on the shell of the
mollusc mirror the localised expression of specific genes in the
mantle, a layer of skin situated just below the shell.

For rendering shells in POV you could look at   http://www.shelly.de/
I have not tried this program though.

The isosurface tutorial has some renderings 
http://www.econym.demon.co.uk/isotut/shells.htm

I am sure i saw an article some time ago that gave equations enabled
you to draw the patterns of actual shell colourings but cannot
remember where that was.

John


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From: clipka
Subject: Re: CA shell (132k jpg)
Date: 1 Apr 2009 05:15:00
Message: <web.49d32fcad610c01df708085d0@news.povray.org>
"m_a_r_c" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote:
> > ANKOS - A New Kind Of Shell :)
>
> YAANA  - Yet Again A New Acronym ;)

A case for the AAAAA - American Association Against Acronym Abuse...


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From: Paul Fuller
Subject: Re: CA shell (132k jpg)
Date: 1 Apr 2009 06:07:09
Message: <49d33ccd$1@news.povray.org>
m_a_r_c wrote:

> 49d1f499$1@news.povray.org...
>> Kenneth wrote:
>>> I don't think I've seen anything like this in p.b.i--it's so different 
>>> and
>>> beautiful that it seems like a 'new direction' for POV-Ray. This has 
>>> "Hall of
>>> Fame" written all over it. I can't begin to imagine how you accomplished 
>>> such a
>>> work of art; it's sublime, and transcends technique.
>>>
>>> KW
>>>
>> ANKOS - A New Kind Of Shell :)
> 
> YAANA  - Yet Again A New Acronym ;)
> 
> Marc 
> 
> 

Well I didn't coin it - just adapted it from Mr Wolfram and his CA opus 
"A New Kind Of Science".

Paul


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From: Alain
Subject: Re: CA shell (132k jpg)
Date: 1 Apr 2009 11:32:49
Message: <49d38921$1@news.povray.org>
clipka nous illumina en ce 2009-04-01 05:11 -->
> "m_a_r_c" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote:
>>> ANKOS - A New Kind Of Shell :)
>> YAANA  - Yet Again A New Acronym ;)
> 
> A case for the AAAAA - American Association Against Acronym Abuse...
> 
> 
It's AAAAAAA - American Association Against Acronims Abuse And Ambiguity.

-- 
Alain
-------------------------------------------------
Sometimes my love of the arcane combines with my askew humor to make me 
unintelligible!!


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