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Hi everyone,
First off... sorry, it's not 3D. What you see before you is an on-going
project of mine. The goal is to render a field in which endless pictures
can be seen. The pictures are made up by your own mind. Therefore, some
effort is required to view this image. Not too much effort though! It's
best to just gaze calmly, to see what your mind produces.
The purpose for this? To peer into the subconscious. I believe the
subconscious mind is a very creative thing, and that this sort of
meditation can help tap into it.
The effect is achieved by applying a repeat warp (with horizontal
mirroring) to a pattern. That pattern is skewed in the x+z direction to
vary the effect across a distance, while still maintaining some
semblance of symmetry at a local level. That pattern is then copied and
added to itself in a function, with different sizes and translations for
each instance. A little bit of pigment_mapping is then applied to
achieve an aesthetic quality. It is then all placed onto a z-facing
plane. It's based (somewhat) on the Rorschach ink blot test.
I'm interested to know what pictures you guys see in this. I wonder if
you will see something here, even if you're not the type to normally see
faces in trees and such.
Sam
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stbenge wrote:
> I'm interested to know what pictures you guys see in this.
a rather distinct face at around 575,315, and by
association his buddy around 230,315 as well ;)
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Impressive work, Sam. I love this very much!
First of all, the whole image reminds me of a piece of gauze, very old, very
thin, maybe blowing in a gentle breze.
And of course thre are figures there! A skull (centre right); a big, long
face with flaring nostrils (centre); all kind of goblins peering out of the
green border; and the repetition of the pattern sometimes suggest the
outlines of a male/female dancer from the temple of Ankor Vat.
Thomas
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Among other things, stbenge saw fit to write:
> I'm interested to know what pictures you guys see in this. I wonder if
> you will see something here, even if you're not the type to normally see
> faces in trees and such.
I see a horse's skull (center), a cat (right) and some kind of fight dog
(far left).
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light_source{9+9*x,1}camera{orthographic look_at(1-y)/4angle 30location
9/4-z*4}light_source{-9*z,1}union{box{.9-z.1+x clipped_by{plane{2+y-4*x
0}}}box{z-y-.1.1+z}box{-.1.1+x}box{.1z-.1}pigment{rgb<.8.2,1>}}//Jellby
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> I'm interested to know what pictures you guys see in this. I wonder if
> you will see something here, even if you're not the type to normally see
> faces in trees and such.
>
I like this sort of picture with a large freedom for the viewer!
Right now, I see some kind of large palace, with foutains on the
foregrounds (which are floating in the air, but who cares :-) )
Thibaut
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I see several iterations of the image that appears on the Shroud of Turin.
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I see almost all the things people have already mentioned. I also see a mouse on
the right of the image with large, almost comedy, ears. Also ignoring the top
half of the image I kind of see a large domed structure with lots of columns
down the front with perhaps some subsidury towers and such attached. Ooo and
there are two butterflies which I see if I look closely.
Now my brain is thourghly confused and doesn't know which image is correct,
however clearly none is actually correct, but I am guessing that the human
brain isn't terribly satisfied with that conclusion.
Malcolm
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I made a couble interesting inkblots by taking heightfield DEMs and reflecting
them across various axes (like a kaleidoscope). You can find two of them here:
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quadrant/3864/art.htm
-Mike
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Christian Froeschlin wrote:
> stbenge wrote:
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>> I'm interested to know what pictures you guys see in this.
>
> a rather distinct face at around 575,315, and by
> association his buddy around 230,315 as well ;)
I see faces at those locations as well, but who knows if they are the
same ones!
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Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Impressive work, Sam. I love this very much!
You're welcome, Thomas! I'm glad you like it :)
> First of all, the whole image reminds me of a piece of gauze, very old, very
> thin, maybe blowing in a gentle breze.
>
> And of course thre are figures there! A skull (centre right); a big, long
> face with flaring nostrils (centre); all kind of goblins peering out of the
> green border; and the repetition of the pattern sometimes suggest the
> outlines of a male/female dancer from the temple of Ankor Vat.
I knew people would see different things than I. I see a lot of old men,
kings, queens, princesses, Indian temples, and Buddha-types. Now you
know why I named the post "Kingdom." :)
Sam
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Jellby wrote:
> Among other things, stbenge saw fit to write:
>
>> I'm interested to know what pictures you guys see in this. I wonder if
>> you will see something here, even if you're not the type to normally see
>> faces in trees and such.
>
> I see a horse's skull (center), a cat (right) and some kind of fight dog
> (far left).
Animals, huh? I see very few. I spotted a rabbit in there yesterday.
Sam
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Thibaut Jonckheere wrote:
> I like this sort of picture with a large freedom for the viewer!
The image was a success, then! I thought internal reflection would be a
good way to start the weekend.
> Right now, I see some kind of large palace, with foutains on the
> foregrounds (which are floating in the air, but who cares :-) )
I hope your ideas turn into inspiration :)
Sam
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Aaron Gillies wrote:
> I see several iterations of the image that appears on the Shroud of Turin.
It's neat how people see different things!
Sam
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milco2006 wrote:
> I see almost all the things people have already mentioned. I also see a mouse on
> the right of the image with large, almost comedy, ears. Also ignoring the top
> half of the image I kind of see a large domed structure with lots of columns
> down the front with perhaps some subsidury towers and such attached. Ooo and
> there are two butterflies which I see if I look closely.
>
> Now my brain is thourghly confused and doesn't know which image is correct,
> however clearly none is actually correct, but I am guessing that the human
> brain isn't terribly satisfied with that conclusion.
The human brain will always try to see a recognizable pattern amid
apparent chaos. This is especially true when mirroring is involved.
Sam
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SharkD wrote:
> I made a couble interesting inkblots by taking heightfield DEMs and reflecting
> them across various axes (like a kaleidoscope). You can find two of them here:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quadrant/3864/art.htm
Interesting renders there!
Sam
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stbenge wrote:
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> I'm interested to know what pictures you guys see in this. I wonder if
> you will see something here, even if you're not the type to normally see
> faces in trees and such.
>
> Sam
>
It's a success :). I stay with couple of human heads or (yes, or, I
can't see them at the same time, since they use same components) aliens.
Nice work, Sam. More of these :).
--
Eero "Aero" Ahonen
http://www.zbxt.net
aer### [at] removethis zbxtnetinvalid
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stbenge <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> First off... sorry, it's not 3D. What you see before you is an on-going
> project of mine. The goal is to render a field in which endless pictures
> can be seen.
This is quite a beautiful work of art. Museum-quality, IMO.
The Shroud Of Turin came immediately to
mind, but I now see faces and more faces, of all different kinds and shapes.
Plus a Giger-esque look throughout, mingled with Indian religious imagery.
I see this being made into a large tapestry.
Your technique sounds fascinating. Any chance of giving us a simplified code
example, or even just a block diagram?? This is something I would love to
experiment with.
I can imagine that you did a fair number of test renders for this--or maybe not!
I was wondering if you knew beforehand exactly what the image would look like,
or if the final result was a surprise even to you?
Ken W.
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Eero Ahonen wrote:
> stbenge wrote:
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>> I'm interested to know what pictures you guys see in this. I wonder if
>> you will see something here, even if you're not the type to normally
>> see faces in trees and such.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>
> It's a success :). I stay with couple of human heads or (yes, or, I
> can't see them at the same time, since they use same components) aliens.
>
> Nice work, Sam.
Thank you for the feedback!
> More of these :).
I might just... Or maybe you can make your own, since I dropped some
related files at p.b.scene-files :)
Sam
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Kenneth wrote:
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> This is quite a beautiful work of art.
Thanks, Ken!
> Museum-quality, IMO.
Well, I don't know about that...
> The Shroud Of Turin came immediately to
> mind, but I now see faces and more faces, of all different kinds and shapes.
> Plus a Giger-esque look throughout, mingled with Indian religious imagery.
For some reason, there seems to be a lot of Indian-related themes in it.
> I see this being made into a large tapestry.
I wouldn't mind having something like this on my wall. Imagine what you
might see in it upon awakening!
> Your technique sounds fascinating. Any chance of giving us a simplified code
> example, or even just a block diagram?? This is something I would love to
> experiment with.
Can do, and did. There's a zip archive over at p.b.scene-files just
waiting to be opened :)
> I can imagine that you did a fair number of test renders for this--or maybe not!
> I was wondering if you knew beforehand exactly what the image would look like,
> or if the final result was a surprise even to you?
I did do a lot of tests leading up to this image. As for knowing exactly
how it would turn out... that's like predicting the outcome of a complex
cellular automation sim, though maybe not as difficult. I had an idea of
what I wanted, and took steps to achieve a closer realization of my
idea. I didn't fully succeed, as there are certain aspects of the
overall appearance that I couldn't change. I couldn't predict the many
small nuances associated with using a procedural pattern as a base. I'm
fairly happy with the outcome, though :)
Sam
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That is one of the most beautiful CGI images I have ever seen.
--Algo
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Algo wrote:
> That is one of the most beautiful CGI images I have ever seen.
I'm surprised to hear such comments about this image. It's 2d, and there
is no real theme to it. Thanks!
Sam
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"stbenge" <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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> I'm interested to know what pictures you guys see in this.
I see a lazy artist <g>.
Sorry, couldn't resist, that's the first thing that comes to my mind with
art that "is whatever you think it is".
That said, it is pleasant to look at.
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somebody wrote:
> "stbenge" <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
> news:4865e6a8@news.povray.org...
>
>> I'm interested to know what pictures you guys see in this.
>
> I see a lazy artist <g>.
>
> Sorry, couldn't resist, that's the first thing that comes to my mind with
> art that "is whatever you think it is".
Ah, my first negative response! I didn't intend for this image to be
anything other than something for people to see images in. It's supposed
to accomplish the task very well, not poorly. In fact, the goal is to
force a "mind manifesting" experience in the viewer, and I used ideas
built up from such states to make it.
So to answer your first comment, let me say that I produced this image
because I'm uninspired, not lazy :)
Sam
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I see a monkey's face centre-left, a Giger alien dead centre, and the
overwhelming impression that if you look at this universe on a quantum scale,
it's all gothic architecture.
Bill
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Very cool! Pareidolia is always fun.
I was first immediately reminded of the shroud of Turin, not the image,
but more the "texture" of it.
The middle spot reminds me of a limitless pillared space, and I see
gardens at the top and bottom.
--
-The Mildly Infamous Blue Herring
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stbenge <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
...
> I'm interested to know what pictures you guys see in this. I wonder if
> you will see something here, even if you're not the type to normally see
> faces in trees and such.
>
> Sam
Well the first things that jumped out at me were Kali, a kabuto helmet (see
link) and several of the creatures from "Space Invaders".
http://www.japanese-armor.com/images/products/2083-gt.jpg
It's an interesting project. Thanks for sharing it.
Best Regards,
Mike C.
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I see a dog at the center, some oriental dancers or Samurai, a halberd
and.. it remember me somehow an aged and faded carpet...
Nice work!
;-)
Paolo
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Bill Pragnell wrote:
> I see a monkey's face centre-left, a Giger alien dead centre, and the
> overwhelming impression that if you look at this universe on a quantum scale,
> it's all gothic architecture.
I see gothic architecture as well, but I assure you that the smallest
indivisible pigment here is granite :)
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Blue Herring wrote:
> Very cool! Pareidolia is always fun.
Hey, I learned a new word today :)
> I was first immediately reminded of the shroud of Turin, not the image,
> but more the "texture" of it.
You're the third person to voice this observation.
> The middle spot reminds me of a limitless pillared space, and I see
> gardens at the top and bottom.
Thanks for the reply.
Sam
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Mike the Elder wrote:
> Well the first things that jumped out at me were Kali, a kabuto helmet (see
> link) and several of the creatures from "Space Invaders".
>
> http://www.japanese-armor.com/images/products/2083-gt.jpg
I've seen similar images in there as well.
> It's an interesting project. Thanks for sharing it.
Thank you for your interest~
Sam
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Paolo Gibellini wrote:
> I see a dog at the center, some oriental dancers or Samurai, a halberd
> and.. it remember me somehow an aged and faded carpet...
> Nice work!
Thanks!
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stbenge <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
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> I'm interested to know what pictures you guys see in this. I wonder if
> you will see something here, even if you're not the type to normally see
> faces in trees and such.
Seated Buddha, right of center.
Fertility goddess with an apron full of fruit, slightly above center.
17th century European queen, left of center.
Another European queen, at 10 o'clock.
European king showing off his dark cape, at 2 o'clock.
Bishop holding the communion wafer over his head, 3 o'clock.
African twin ladies, 5 'oclock.
Twin African princesses, 5:30.
Faces, stained glass windows, and bishops' miters everywhere!
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Cousin Ricky wrote:
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> Seated Buddha, right of center.
> Fertility goddess with an apron full of fruit, slightly above center.
> 17th century European queen, left of center.
> Another European queen, at 10 o'clock.
> European king showing off his dark cape, at 2 o'clock.
> Bishop holding the communion wafer over his head, 3 o'clock.
> African twin ladies, 5 'oclock.
> Twin African princesses, 5:30.
> Faces, stained glass windows, and bishops' miters everywhere!
>
That's why I named it "Kingdom." :) Could my choice for a name have
influenced what you saw?
Sam
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:20:17 -0700, stbenge <stb### [at] hotmailcom>
wrote:
>I'm interested to know what pictures you guys see in this.
I see so many things that I can't say.
It does remind me a little bit of this. I've been trying to find a
particular image in the fractal that I found a few years ago but it is
lost, as I got lost in the image:(
I'll run a series over night and see what I can see.
--
Regards
Stephen
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Stephen wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:20:17 -0700, stbenge <stb### [at] hotmailcom>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm interested to know what pictures you guys see in this.
>
> I see so many things that I can't say.
> It does remind me a little bit of this. I've been trying to find a
> particular image in the fractal that I found a few years ago but it is
> lost, as I got lost in the image:(
> I'll run a series over night and see what I can see.
Stephen, that's a huge png file! So large, in fact, that Thunderbird
crashed trying to open it. My 24kpbs internet connection probably
doesn't help :( Can you post a jpeg file instead?
Sam
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stbenge wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> First off... sorry, it's not 3D. What you see before you is an on-going
> project of mine. The goal is to render a field in which endless pictures
> can be seen. The pictures are made up by your own mind. Therefore, some
> effort is required to view this image. Not too much effort though! It's
> best to just gaze calmly, to see what your mind produces.
>
> The purpose for this? To peer into the subconscious. I believe the
> subconscious mind is a very creative thing, and that this sort of
> meditation can help tap into it.
>
> The effect is achieved by applying a repeat warp (with horizontal
> mirroring) to a pattern. That pattern is skewed in the x+z direction to
> vary the effect across a distance, while still maintaining some
> semblance of symmetry at a local level. That pattern is then copied and
> added to itself in a function, with different sizes and translations for
> each instance. A little bit of pigment_mapping is then applied to
> achieve an aesthetic quality. It is then all placed onto a z-facing
> plane. It's based (somewhat) on the Rorschach ink blot test.
>
> I'm interested to know what pictures you guys see in this. I wonder if
> you will see something here, even if you're not the type to normally see
> faces in trees and such.
>
> Sam
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
It is a compelling image in it's own right.
The idea of course has lots of pedigree
Leonardo, famously, but I expect you knew that:
http://www.mirabilissimeinvenzioni.com/ing_treatiseonpainting_ing.html
I am also reminded of, I think it was Darren New, posting once about
research into how music stimulates common brain regions in diverse human
groups.
I had a group of brain researchers in my taxi one night and I mentioned
that research/book to them. I mentioned to one how it called up the
question for me of how someone even recognizes that something is music.
Surely it was cultural and context-driven. His reponse was [to the best
I can recall] that certain research indicated that humans would reacted
to repeated fragments of sounds in the same way as to music. But I
didn't get much detail, the conversation took that turn just as he was
getting out of the car.
And, now that I am going, wasn't the virus in Snow Crash and visual pattern?
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Jim Charter wrote:
> It is a compelling image in it's own right.
>
> The idea of course has lots of pedigree
> Leonardo, famously, but I expect you knew that:
> http://www.mirabilissimeinvenzioni.com/ing_treatiseonpainting_ing.html
No, I did not know that! It pretty much strengthens my (not mine,
evidently) basic theory of utilizing the creative subconscious. Thanks
for that link!
> I am also reminded of, I think it was Darren New, posting once about
> research into how music stimulates common brain regions in diverse human
> groups.
>
> I had a group of brain researchers in my taxi one night and I mentioned
> that research/book to them. I mentioned to one how it called up the
> question for me of how someone even recognizes that something is music.
> Surely it was cultural and context-driven. His reponse was [to the best
> I can recall] that certain research indicated that humans would reacted
> to repeated fragments of sounds in the same way as to music. But I
> didn't get much detail, the conversation took that turn just as he was
> getting out of the car.
This reminds me of the time I heard the Frog Chorus. Suddenly the random
croaking of frogs fit together into a coherent melody.
> And, now that I am going, wasn't the virus in Snow Crash and visual
> pattern?
What's that? I didn't understand it... :/
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From: Paolo Gibellini
Subject: Re: Kingdom (252k jpeg) - T02f2_0094.png (1/1)
Date: 2 Jul 2008 03:31:51
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Seeing it like a stereogram I see an angry face...
;-)
Paolo
>Stephen wrote:
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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Kingdom (252k jpeg) - T02f2_0094.png (1/1)
Date: 2 Jul 2008 03:39:13
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A dancing derviche!!
Thomas
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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> schreef in bericht
news:486b01f4$1@news.povray.org...
> It is a compelling image in it's own right.
>
> The idea of course has lots of pedigree
> Leonardo, famously, but I expect you knew that:
> http://www.mirabilissimeinvenzioni.com/ing_treatiseonpainting_ing.html
>
> I am also reminded of, I think it was Darren New, posting once about
> research into how music stimulates common brain regions in diverse human
> groups.
>
> I had a group of brain researchers in my taxi one night and I mentioned
> that research/book to them. I mentioned to one how it called up the
> question for me of how someone even recognizes that something is music.
> Surely it was cultural and context-driven. His reponse was [to the best I
> can recall] that certain research indicated that humans would reacted to
> repeated fragments of sounds in the same way as to music. But I didn't
> get much detail, the conversation took that turn just as he was getting
> out of the car.
>
Absolutely true. Several years ago, I was supervising a drilling site in the
Portuguese dunes. The sound of the drill rig was very rythmic and
repetitive, and soon enough it transformed in my head into a melodious kind
of symphony by a whole orchestra. If I had been a composer, I would have
noted down the melody and orchestration and would now be known as the author
of "The Drill Rig Symphony in b flat" :-)
Thomas
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stbenge <stb### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
> Cousin Ricky wrote:
> >
> > Seated Buddha, right of center.
> > Fertility goddess with an apron full of fruit, slightly above center.
> > 17th century European queen, left of center.
> > Another European queen, at 10 o'clock.
> > European king showing off his dark cape, at 2 o'clock.
> > Bishop holding the communion wafer over his head, 3 o'clock.
> > African twin ladies, 5 'oclock.
> > Twin African princesses, 5:30.
> > Faces, stained glass windows, and bishops' miters everywhere!
> >
>
> That's why I named it "Kingdom." :) Could my choice for a name have
> influenced what you saw?
>
> Sam
Well, if you'd named it "Satori," i might have seen more Buddhas and fewer
queens, but overall kings and queens would still have been in the mix. My
first impression was of an eastern tapestry, with the ornate baroque character
coming out only after poring over the image for a while.
I was surprised that other people didn't see Buddhas.
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stbenge wrote:
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> This reminds me of the time I heard the Frog Chorus. Suddenly the random
> croaking of frogs fit together into a coherent melody.
>
Nice. Well I have a couple if frogs in my apartment along with a colony
of crickets. The frogs don't make much noise but the crickets are
another thing entirely. Still waiting for the din to cohere though.
>> And, now that I am going, wasn't the virus in Snow Crash and visual
>> pattern?
>
>
> What's that? I didn't understand it... :/
Well apparently I remembered it wrong, anyway but Snow Crash is a Neal
Stephenson novel about a virus. But the speading virus may not have
been necessarily a visual pattern like I remembered.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Crash
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Thomas de Groot wrote:
> Absolutely true. Several years ago, I was supervising a drilling site in the
> Portuguese dunes.
Had never pictured you as that,... though I guess that explains your
knowledge of geology and related things.
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"Cousin Ricky" <ric### [at] yahoocom> schreef in bericht
news:web.486bc31f3b3e15e185de7b680@news.povray.org...
> I was surprised that other people didn't see Buddhas.
>
I was close: I saw Hindu temple dancers :-)
Thomas
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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> schreef in bericht
news:486c1fa5$1@news.povray.org...
> Thomas de Groot wrote:
>
>> Absolutely true. Several years ago, I was supervising a drilling site in
>> the Portuguese dunes.
>
> Had never pictured you as that,... though I guess that explains your
> knowledge of geology and related things.
I am a geologist... :-)
However, to refine the picture, this was not an oil rig, but a fairly small
device for research purposes. We didn't go deeper than 45m...
Thomas
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:16:02 +0100, Stephen <mcavoysAT@aolDOTcom> wrote:
RL took it's toll yesterday. I thought I saw a message from Sam saying that the
image was too big. So here is another one from the same series. In this part of
the series they are very similar this one has better definition. If I can get
the animation down to a reasonable size, I'll post it.
--
Regards
Stephen
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On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:34:48 +0200, "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet>
wrote:
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>"Cousin Ricky" <ric### [at] yahoocom> schreef in bericht
>news:web.486bc31f3b3e15e185de7b680@news.povray.org...
>> I was surprised that other people didn't see Buddhas.
>>
>
>I was close: I saw Hindu temple dancers :-)
>
>Thomas
>
As did I
--
Regards
Stephen
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Hi Sam,
This is really, really, interesting - and beautiful
I want to post on my blog - a way to talk about povray too
Do you have made some other images ?
cheers,
karpov
blog : www.yanatchkov.com/dokuwiki
mail : mil01 et free dot fr
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