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From: andrel
Subject: Not a thesis cover
Date: 16 Jun 2007 19:11:45
Message: <46746F20.4000504@hotmail.com>
It has been some time since my last post here. One of the reasons is 
that most of what I make is (partly) related to my work and based on 
data from colleagues. This image is inspired by work of a remote 
colleague and sufficiently different from my own subject to be fairly 
confident that I am the only intellectual owner.

For those of you that don't know what a glycocalyx is: it is a layer of 
long sugary molecules that line the inside of vessels as a sort of 
gelatin. It a.o. prevents the blood cells from direct contact with the 
vessel wall. There are more types of glycocalyx, (see e.g. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycocalyx) but this is the one I am 
referring to.

It started as an idea for a cover of a thesis in 2002 and I did never 
finish it because the PhD student decided she wanted to have a much less 
interesting cover. Recently I had some time to work on it again.

Don't know if I want to add things. I was thinking of pliers and/or a 
surgical knife. I might also change the aspect ratio to portrait without 
adding things.


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 17 Jun 2007 05:31:06
Message: <4675004A.4060705@hotmail.com>
Perhaps useful to note in an international group: This kind of landscape 
really does exist in the region where I grew up.
http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=52.446568,4.865677&z=17
And they indeed use these little islands for cows. I think I may even 
see some in the satellite image. The islands are of course generally 
somewhat larger in real life.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 17 Jun 2007 07:34:11
Message: <46751c33$1@news.povray.org>
"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> schreef in bericht 
news:467### [at] hotmailcom...
> Perhaps useful to note in an international group: This kind of landscape 
> really does exist in the region where I grew up.
> http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=52.446568,4.865677&z=17
> And they indeed use these little islands for cows. I think I may even see 
> some in the satellite image. The islands are of course generally somewhat 
> larger in real life.

I knew it!! :-)
Waterland!!

Thomas


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From: Marc
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 17 Jun 2007 08:05:03
Message: <4675236f@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> a écrit dans le message de 
news: 46751c33$1@news.povray.org...

> I knew it!! :-)
> Waterland!!
I wonder why water ;-)
Where is Alice?

Marc


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 17 Jun 2007 08:23:37
Message: <467527c9$1@news.povray.org>
"Marc" <jac### [at] wanadoofr> schreef in bericht 
news:4675236f@news.povray.org...
>
> "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> a écrit dans le message de 
> news: 46751c33$1@news.povray.org...
>
>> I knew it!! :-)
>> Waterland!!
> I wonder why water ;-)
> Where is Alice?
>

Blub...Blub...  :-)
This area north of Amsterdam is called Waterland...

Thomas


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From: Marc
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 17 Jun 2007 08:36:52
Message: <46752ae4$1@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> a écrit dans le message de 
news: 467527c9$1@news.povray.org...
>>
>
> Blub...Blub...  :-)
> This area north of Amsterdam is called Waterland...
>
I knew it!! :-)

I just wondered why but I'm silly when I want ;-)

Marc


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 17 Jun 2007 12:41:16
Message: <4675651C.5040805@hotmail.com>
Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> schreef in bericht 
> news:467### [at] hotmailcom...
>> Perhaps useful to note in an international group: This kind of landscape 
>> really does exist in the region where I grew up.
>> http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=52.446568,4.865677&z=17
>> And they indeed use these little islands for cows. I think I may even see 
>> some in the satellite image. The islands are of course generally somewhat 
>> larger in real life.
> 
> I knew it!! :-)
> Waterland!!
> 
you mean that you recognized it from the pov-image?
That's good. BTW do you live in the neighbourhood?


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 18 Jun 2007 03:04:29
Message: <46762e7d$1@news.povray.org>
"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> schreef in bericht 
news:467### [at] hotmailcom...
> Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> "andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> schreef in bericht 
>> news:467### [at] hotmailcom...
>>> Perhaps useful to note in an international group: This kind of landscape 
>>> really does exist in the region where I grew up.
>>> http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=52.446568,4.865677&z=17
>>> And they indeed use these little islands for cows. I think I may even 
>>> see some in the satellite image. The islands are of course generally 
>>> somewhat larger in real life.
>>
>> I knew it!! :-)
>> Waterland!!
>>
> you mean that you recognized it from the pov-image?
> That's good. BTW do you live in the neighbourhood?

No, I live 5m below mean sea-level (now, let's see if anybody can pin-point 
where that may be  :-)  )

Yes, the pov image looked so very familiar to me, I immediately thought of 
Waterland.

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 18 Jun 2007 03:41:04
Message: <s7hc73508uoo8lkcbbqklrf5feus2on4rl@4ax.com>
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:04:29 +0200, "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet>
wrote:


>> That's good. BTW do you live in the neighbourhood?
>
>No, I live 5m below mean sea-level (now, let's see if anybody can pin-point 
>where that may be  :-)  )
>
>Yes, the pov image looked so very familiar to me, I immediately thought of 
>Waterland.


You are a Troll and you live in a hole? 
I claim my prize of old cheese :-)

Regards
	Stephen


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 18 Jun 2007 03:49:10
Message: <467638f6$1@news.povray.org>
"Stephen" <mcavoysATaolDOTcom@> schreef in bericht 
news:s7hc73508uoo8lkcbbqklrf5feus2on4rl@4ax.com...
>>
>>No, I live 5m below mean sea-level (now, let's see if anybody can 
>>pin-point
>>where that may be  :-)  )
>>
>>Yes, the pov image looked so very familiar to me, I immediately thought of
>>Waterland.
>
>
> You are a Troll and you live in a hole?
> I claim my prize of old cheese :-)
>

Unfortunately, you lost... Excellent old cheese by the way   <munch, 
munch...>

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 18 Jun 2007 04:25:31
Message: <orjc7317hgc49eu5bcsr9nd28gdjoi4mfp@4ax.com>
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:49:09 +0200, "Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet>
wrote:

>Unfortunately, you lost... Excellent old cheese by the way   <munch, 
>munch...>

LOL

Regards
	Stephen


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 18 Jun 2007 15:17:24
Message: <4676DB35.3080009@hotmail.com>
Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> schreef in bericht 
> news:467### [at] hotmailcom...
>> Thomas de Groot wrote:
>>> "andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> schreef in bericht 
>>> news:467### [at] hotmailcom...
>>>> Perhaps useful to note in an international group: This kind of landscape 
>>>> really does exist in the region where I grew up.
>>>> http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=52.446568,4.865677&z=17
>>>> And they indeed use these little islands for cows. I think I may even 
>>>> see some in the satellite image. The islands are of course generally 
>>>> somewhat larger in real life.
>>> I knew it!! :-)
>>> Waterland!!
>>>
>> you mean that you recognized it from the pov-image?
>> That's good. BTW do you live in the neighbourhood?
> 
> No, I live 5m below mean sea-level (now, let's see if anybody can pin-point 
> where that may be  :-)  )
haarlemmermeerpolder/hoofddorp ?


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 18 Jun 2007 15:39:56
Message: <4676df8c$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:04:29 +0200, Thomas de Groot wrote:

> No, I live 5m below mean sea-level (now, let's see if anybody can
> pin-point where that may be    )

Well, it *could* be Daytona, FL, which is below sea level (I went to 
school there), but I'm guessing that's not where you are. ;-)

I'll guess Nijmegen, NL. :-)

Jim


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 18 Jun 2007 16:11:51
Message: <4676E7F7.60702@hotmail.com>
Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:04:29 +0200, Thomas de Groot wrote:
> 
>> No, I live 5m below mean sea-level (now, let's see if anybody can
>> pin-point where that may be    )
> 
> Well, it *could* be Daytona, FL, which is below sea level (I went to 
> school there), but I'm guessing that's not where you are. ;-)
> 
> I'll guess Nijmegen, NL. :-)

That is above sea level. I tried some website that matches
postal code to hight and that gave a whopping 24 meters
above sea level for some random point in Nijmegen.

I also found this image: http://www.ahn.nl/demo/ahn-nederland1.jpg


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From: Marc
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 18 Jun 2007 16:34:49
Message: <4676ec69$1@news.povray.org>
"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de news: 
467### [at] hotmailcom...
> That is above sea level. I tried some website that matches
> postal code to hight and that gave a whopping 24 meters
> above sea level for some random point in Nijmegen.

Do local authorities provide free O2 bottles? ;-)

Marc


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From: Jim Henderson
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 18 Jun 2007 16:38:35
Message: <4676ed4b$1@news.povray.org>
On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:15:51 +0200, andrel wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:04:29 +0200, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>> 
>>> No, I live 5m below mean sea-level (now, let's see if anybody can
>>> pin-point where that may be    )
>> 
>> Well, it *could* be Daytona, FL, which is below sea level (I went to
>> school there), but I'm guessing that's not where you are. ;-)
>> 
>> I'll guess Nijmegen, NL. :-)
> 
> That is above sea level. I tried some website that matches postal code
> to hight and that gave a whopping 24 meters above sea level for some
> random point in Nijmegen.
> 
> I also found this image: http://www.ahn.nl/demo/ahn-nederland1.jpg

Shoot, I'll bet I'm not far away, though. :-)

Jim


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From: andrel
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 18 Jun 2007 16:46:39
Message: <4676F01F.3090506@hotmail.com>
Marc wrote:
> "andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de news: 
> 467### [at] hotmailcom...
>> That is above sea level. I tried some website that matches
>> postal code to hight and that gave a whopping 24 meters
>> above sea level for some random point in Nijmegen.
> 
> Do local authorities provide free O2 bottles? ;-)
The air is a bit thinner, but you generally adjust in a week time.


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 19 Jun 2007 02:59:21
Message: <46777ec9@news.povray.org>
"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> schreef in bericht 
news:467### [at] hotmailcom...
>>
>> No, I live 5m below mean sea-level (now, let's see if anybody can 
>> pin-point where that may be  :-)  )
> haarlemmermeerpolder/hoofddorp ?

Exactly!!

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 19 Jun 2007 03:04:13
Message: <46777fed$1@news.povray.org>
"andrel" <a_l### [at] hotmailcom> schreef in bericht 
news:467### [at] hotmailcom...
>
> I also found this image: http://www.ahn.nl/demo/ahn-nederland1.jpg

Ah yes! That's the new altitude data map. That would have been invaluable 
when I was still professionally active.

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 19 Jun 2007 03:05:59
Message: <46778057$1@news.povray.org>
"Jim Henderson" <nos### [at] nospamcom> schreef in bericht 
news:4676df8c$1@news.povray.org...
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:04:29 +0200, Thomas de Groot wrote:
>
>> No, I live 5m below mean sea-level (now, let's see if anybody can
>> pin-point where that may be    )
>
> Well, it *could* be Daytona, FL, which is below sea level (I went to
> school there), but I'm guessing that's not where you are. ;-)
>
> I'll guess Nijmegen, NL. :-)
>

No, no! To far to the east, but in same country.
(Andrel guessed of course, but that was more easy forhim  :-)  )

Thomas


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From: Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 19 Jun 2007 08:45:41
Message: <4677cff5$1@news.povray.org>
High!

andrel schrieb:

> That is above sea level. I tried some website that matches
> postal code to hight and that gave a whopping 24 meters
> above sea level for some random point in Nijmegen.

True highlanders... but what about this:

http://home.arcor.de/yadgar/photos/pict0041.jpg

I guess most Dutch make it to the summit only with additional oxygen, 
not to forget the obligatory Sherpa carriers!

See you on www.khyberspace.de !

Yadgar


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From: Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 19 Jun 2007 08:52:26
Message: <4677d18a@news.povray.org>
High!

andrel schrieb:

I also found this image: http://www.ahn.nl/demo/ahn-nederland1.jpg

Note the rugged mountains in the extreme southeast... must be the Dutch 
Hindu Kush!

See you on www.khyberspace.de !

Yadgar

Now playing: I've Been Losing You, Extended Version (a-ha)


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 19 Jun 2007 09:59:38
Message: <4677e14a$1@news.povray.org>
"Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann" <yaz### [at] gmxde> schreef in bericht 
news:4677cff5$1@news.povray.org...
>
> True highlanders... but what about this:
>
> http://home.arcor.de/yadgar/photos/pict0041.jpg
>
> I guess most Dutch make it to the summit only with additional oxygen, not 
> to forget the obligatory Sherpa carriers!
>

Oh dear!! Never been there!  I get already breathing problems as soon as I 
pass the 0m altitude line  :-)

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 19 Jun 2007 10:16:12
Message: <apsf73pok921nar7ahttgfd1g34hans569@4ax.com>
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:45:40 +0200, Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann <yaz### [at] gmxde>
wrote:

>http://home.arcor.de/yadgar/photos/pict0041.jpg
>
>I guess most Dutch make it to the summit only with additional oxygen, 
>not to forget the obligatory Sherpa carriers!

How did he get the bike up there and why a bike?
Of all the things you associate with Netherlanders like bottle openers, old
masters, old cheese, purses etc. where did he get the idea to take a bike to the
top of the world? :-)

Regards
	Stephen


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From: Marc
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 19 Jun 2007 14:08:02
Message: <46781b82$1@news.povray.org>
"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlDOTnet> a écrit dans le message de 
news: 4677e14a$1@news.povray.org...
> Oh dear!! Never been there!  I get already breathing problems as soon as I 
> pass the 0m altitude line  :-)
>
> Thomas
You know strangely I feel the same problem here but the other way :-)


Marc


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From: Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 19 Jun 2007 17:59:22
Message: <467851ba@news.povray.org>
High!

Stephen schrieb:

> How did he get the bike up there and why a bike?
> Of all the things you associate with Netherlanders like bottle openers, old
> masters, old cheese, purses etc. where did he get the idea to take a bike to the
> top of the world? :-)

As most Dutch-made carburetors fail already in the comparatively 
low-lying outskirts of Vaals, there are no buses going up the summit of 
Mt. Vaalserberg, so I had to take the bike! And, believe me, it was a 
truly heroic ascent, full of blizzards, avalanches, glacier crevasses, 
three-digits subzero windchill and even snow leopard attacks... until 
finally, I stood for the first time of my life atop the highest 
elevation of a sovereign country!

In the future, I'd like to go for Botrange in Belgium's Haute Fagnes 
highlands, later perhaps even for Ireland's Carrantuohil or Ben Nevis in 
Scotland! But then, thinking about discarded NASA spacesuits would be a 
good idea...

See you on www.khyberspace.de !

Yadgar


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 20 Jun 2007 03:35:25
Message: <4678d8bd$1@news.povray.org>
"Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann" <yaz### [at] gmxde> schreef in bericht 
news:467851ba@news.povray.org...
> In the future, I'd like to go for Botrange in Belgium's Haute Fagnes 
> highlands, later perhaps even for Ireland's Carrantuohil or Ben Nevis in 
> Scotland! But then, thinking about discarded NASA spacesuits would be a 
> good idea...
>

Not to forget the heavy boots necessary in zero gravity zones.....

Thomas


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From: Stephen
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 20 Jun 2007 04:12:33
Message: <errh73t1mgm406urmud43nlblqteia0e8k@4ax.com>
On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:59:20 +0200, Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann <yaz### [at] gmxde>
wrote:

> I stood for the first time of my life atop the highest 
>elevation of a sovereign country!

Well done, so that is you? It is nice to put a face to your posts.

Regards
	Stephen


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From: Marc
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 20 Jun 2007 05:05:44
Message: <4678ede8@news.povray.org>
"Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann" <yaz### [at] gmxde> a écrit dans le message de news: 
4677cff5$1@news.povray.org...
> True highlanders... but what about this:
>
> http://home.arcor.de/yadgar/photos/pict0041.jpg
>
Note the cobbled step to make it even higher :-)
Marc


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 20 Jun 2007 07:18:00
Message: <46790ce8$1@news.povray.org>
"Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann" <yaz### [at] gmxde> schreef in bericht 
news:467851ba@news.povray.org...

> In the future, I'd like to go for Botrange in Belgium's Haute Fagnes 
> highlands, later perhaps even for Ireland's Carrantuohil or Ben Nevis in 
> Scotland! But then, thinking about discarded NASA spacesuits would be a 
> good idea...
>

...And you should go to the deepest points too! (not caves!)
- Alexanderpolder (NL) -8m, if I am correct
- Death Sea
- Death Valley
- Kara Bogaz
... and several others certainly

Thomas


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From: Thomas de Groot
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 20 Jun 2007 07:29:18
Message: <46790f8e$1@news.povray.org>
... and don't forget.....
http://www.dagjefriesland.nl/hotspots/hs_sonnema.htm
Scroll down to the image of Berenburg bottles. Those mountains you see are 
called... the Frisian Alps!!!

And now buy a bottle and taste it, preferably during a cold winter day (when 
was that the last time? I can't remember...)

Thomas


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From: Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 20 Jun 2007 07:53:27
Message: <46791537$1@news.povray.org>
High!

Thomas de Groot schrieb:

> http://www.dagjefriesland.nl/hotspots/hs_sonnema.htm
> Scroll down to the image of Berenburg bottles. Those mountains you see are 
> called... the Frisian Alps!!!

West Friesland - where the dung piles are high and the beards are long!

> 
> And now buy a bottle and taste it, preferably during a cold winter day (when 
> was that the last time? I can't remember...)

Oh, go... West Friesland is the coldest part of the Netherlands (Dutch 
Siberia) - the region with the famous skating tradition, Heerenveen and all!

See you on www.khyberspace.de !

Yadgar


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From: Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 20 Jun 2007 08:50:51
Message: <467922ab@news.povray.org>
High!

Thomas de Groot schrieb:

> ...And you should go to the deepest points too! (not caves!)
> - Alexanderpolder (NL) -8m, if I am correct
> - Death Sea
> - Death Valley
> - Kara Bogaz
> ... and several others certainly

Here in Germany, this would be some place west of Hamburg, in the "Altes 
Land", about 2 metres below sea level... and in my still favourite 
country on this planet it's where Amu Darya river leaves for 
Turkmenistan, 280 metres above sea level... Mt. Noshaq (7490 m) would be 
definitely more sophisticated to do!

But I generally more like being on high places than in murky marshlands 
(which also goes well with my other hobby, stargazing), so in spite of 
being an absolute non-climber, trying to get as high as possible without 
breaking my neck seems thrilling... and, so, to "collect" highest 
elevations of sovereign countries, preferably on foot or by bike.

Let's take a look on what would be doable:

Germany: Zugspitze (2963 m) would be too alpine (except by funicular) 
and, beside that, no mountain peak in the world has been that much 
disfigured with concrete platform buildups like this one unfortunate 
enough to be Germany's highest... but nevertheless a great spot to have 
a night at the telescope!

Also off limits are Austria, Switzerland, Italy and France, with all of 
them being in the 4000 or high 3000 metre range.

Mt. Snezka (1603 m), the highest elevation of Czech Republic, would be 
feasible, also of course Möllehöj (171 m) in Denmark and Haltitunturi 
(Finland, 1324 m). Then there would be Luxemburg's Kneiff (560 m), San 
Marino's Monte Titano (756 m, which I in fact already visited in 1979 - 
so I must admit that I was wrong with my recent bold statement about my 
trip to Vaalserberg!), also the highest point of Monaco, probably only a 
few hundred metres high, but possibly very expensive ;-); Croatia's 
Dinara (1831 m)... and, certainly, Spain with her Pico de Teide volcano 
(3718 m) on Tenerife island - then also the Fujisan (3776 m) in Japan 
would be a possible destination for me... are there more countries whose 
highest mountains are easily accessible shield volcanoes?

If we stretch the term "sovereign country" in a creative way, then also 
Bergisch Afghanistan's Sang-e Surkh (German: Rothenstein, 600 m) would 
be a candidate to be biked by me...

See you on www.khyberspace.de !

Yadgar


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From: Larry Hudson
Subject: Re: Not a thesis cover
Date: 20 Jun 2007 22:32:53
Message: <4679e355$1@news.povray.org>
Thomas de Groot wrote:
> "Jörg 'Yadgar' Bleimann" <yaz### [at] gmxde> schreef in bericht 
> news:467851ba@news.povray.org...
> 
> 
>>In the future, I'd like to go for Botrange in Belgium's Haute Fagnes 
>>highlands, later perhaps even for Ireland's Carrantuohil or Ben Nevis in 
>>Scotland! But then, thinking about discarded NASA spacesuits would be a 
>>good idea...
>>
> 
> 
> ...And you should go to the deepest points too! (not caves!)
> - Alexanderpolder (NL) -8m, if I am correct
> - Death Sea
> - Death Valley
> - Kara Bogaz
> ... and several others certainly
> 
> Thomas 
> 

I live in Southern California, and have visted Death Valley a number of 
times -- a fascinating area well worth visiting (but not in mid-summer, 
of course!)  Spent a very enjoyable Christmas holiday season there a 
number of years ago.  An interesting thing about Badwater (the low-point 
in Death Valley, -282 feet) is that it is adjacent to a fairly steep 
cliff.  And it's amusing (shocking?) to look up there to see the sign 
showing sea level.

       -=- Larry -=-

PS.  Another factoid -- Mt. Whitney is only about 150 miles from Death 
Valley.  Whitney (14,505 feet) is the highest peak in the contiguous 
United States.  (At 20,320 feet, Mt. McKinley/Danali in Alaska is 
higher.)  [Elevation data from Wikipedia...]   :-)


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