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This is a mesh model I have been working on. I used Jaime's
Studio-lighting include files to set up the test render. I simply put
my model into Jaime's default demo scene, and adjusted the camera
slightly. With two-pass radiosity it came out pretty well, I thought,
considering the ease of making the lighting setup.
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Jim Charter a écrit :
> This is a mesh model I have been working on. I used Jaime's
> Studio-lighting include files to set up the test render. I simply put
> my model into Jaime's default demo scene, and adjusted the camera
> slightly. With two-pass radiosity it came out pretty well, I thought,
> considering the ease of making the lighting setup.
>
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I prefer the first one (just kidding ;-).
Very impressive model. Is it a copy from a real-life model, or pure
invention?
tuabiht
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Thibaut Jonckheere wrote:
> Jim Charter a écrit :
>
>> This is a mesh model I have been working on. I used Jaime's
>> Studio-lighting include files to set up the test render. I simply put
>> my model into Jaime's default demo scene, and adjusted the camera
>> slightly. With two-pass radiosity it came out pretty well, I thought,
>> considering the ease of making the lighting setup.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>
> I prefer the first one (just kidding ;-).
>
> Very impressive model. Is it a copy from a real-life model, or pure
> invention?
>
>
> tuabiht
Real, not invented. The shoe is by Naturalizer and is entitled "Canary"
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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msn com> a écrit dans le message de news:
4657df42@news.povray.org...
> This is a mesh model I have been working on. I used Jaime's
> Studio-lighting include files to set up the test render. I simply put
> my model into Jaime's default demo scene, and adjusted the camera
> slightly. With two-pass radiosity it came out pretty well, I thought,
> considering the ease of making the lighting setup.
>
That's splendid!
Now you just have to find the adress of the lady who lost it in your cab ;-)
Marc
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Marc wrote:
> That's splendid!
> Now you just have to find the adress of the lady who lost it in your cab ;-)
>
;-)
Thanks Marc,
Have yet to find a shoe back there.
Saturday night four elaborately dressed young women get into my cab.
I'm not sure if the boas and perfume is just a bit exaggerated or they
seem the tiniest bit awkward in their 9 inch platforms but they are the
nicest people I've met all night. As we grind through traffic near
Gramercy Park (Andy's old haunts) they all sing me Happy Birthday (it'd
been the day before; we've come to the subject when the one in front
asked me my astrological sign.) I thanked them with humble and very
real gratitude.
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Jim Charter <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote:
> This is a mesh model I have been working on. I used Jaime's
> Studio-lighting include files to set up the test render. I simply put
> my model into Jaime's default demo scene, and adjusted the camera
> slightly. With two-pass radiosity it came out pretty well, I thought,
> considering the ease of making the lighting setup.
That is really beautiful. It would fool most people into thinking it was a
photo. Including me! I'm amazed by the intertwined straps on the upper
surface. By all of it, in fact. This will be one of those POV-Ray renders
that I'll catalogue away, as inspiration to improve my skills.
Ken
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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> schreef in bericht
news:4657df42@news.povray.org...
> This is a mesh model I have been working on. I used Jaime's
> Studio-lighting include files to set up the test render. I simply put
> my model into Jaime's default demo scene, and adjusted the camera
> slightly. With two-pass radiosity it came out pretty well, I thought,
> considering the ease of making the lighting setup.
>
Jim,
As we all expect from you, another of those subtly perfect renders of which
you have the secret. The studio setup certainly helps, but the professional
modelling stands out up to the stratosphere. Excellent work.
Thomas
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Amazing job! It's so detailed, the stitching looks fantastic. And I like
that shiny red leather too.
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This looks like it could go up to billboard size and still look like a
photo. In fact, I can imagine putting a department store name next to it
and it being an acutal billboard :) The stitching looks wonderful.
Charles
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Gulp! You've done another one Jim. Will you please tone it down a little?
It's making me reach for my Wings shortcut. ;)
Jokes aside, that's absolutely fantastic! You know I like my modelling
Jim, and well, that image just beats the pants off me for modelling,
artistic, and probably technical too.
How did you do the stitching? One model duplicated several hundred(?)
times?
(Before sending this, I just looked at it again, and I'll repeat the
gulp).
~Steve~
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> Real, not invented. The shoe is by Naturalizer and is entitled "Canary"
I had a look with google (for example:
http://www2.shopping.com/xPC-Naturalizer-Naturalizer-Women-s-Canary-Ankle-Strap-Sandala
),
and I was surprised to see that this shoe is not an expensive "luxury
shoe". I guess I had this "luxury" feeling because your render is such a
luxury render :-)
tuabiht
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Charles C wrote:
> This looks like it could go up to billboard size and still look like a
> photo. In fact, I can imagine putting a department store name next to it
> and it being an acutal billboard :) The stitching looks wonderful.
> Charles
>
I wish, but no, this would not sustain much more in the way of
resolution. It is amazing how much work it takes just to get to this
level. As usual I am torn between taking it to the next level or
getting on to some of the other projects that interest me. Best for me
to take mesh modelling incrementally though, or I burn out.
To get to the next level I would need to:
-add more detail to the mesh to further reflect the actual construction
of the shoe. The sense of the separate layers of leather folded and
stitched, and the irregularity of the stitching especially around the joins,
-get a richer and more accurate portrayal of the leather texture. This
would involve most likely UV mapping the texture to the surface which
would add serious levels of complexity to my workflow, and improving the
actually look of the leather texture.
-improve the stitching so that the actual tuck of the thread against the
leather looked and felt more real. Right now it is just approximated
with little scaled torii. Of the things listed here, this is probably
the most easily doable part, though again the irregular parts would be
more demanding.
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Janet wrote:
> Amazing job! It's so detailed, the stitching looks fantastic. And I like
> that shiny red leather too.
>
:)
With Jaime's lighting set up I am hoping to get a good version in black
leather too. Black leather was always the hardest to paint, also.
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St. wrote:
> Gulp! You've done another one Jim. Will you please tone it down a little?
> It's making me reach for my Wings shortcut. ;)
>
> Jokes aside, that's absolutely fantastic! You know I like my modelling
> Jim, and well, that image just beats the pants off me for modelling,
> artistic, and probably technical too.
>
> How did you do the stitching? One model duplicated several hundred(?)
> times?
>
> (Before sending this, I just looked at it again, and I'll repeat the
> gulp).
>
>
Y'all are embarrassing me. But the compliments are much, much
appreciated. It looks like a simple enough model of a fairly modest
shoe but it still took a remarkable amount of work. 'Took three tries
of three separate strategies before I could get a version of the toe
webbing that was even close! The joins at the sole and the joins where
the stitching crosses were reworked in several ways.
The stitching is actually approximated with little torii, scaled to look
like little flat loops. They are oriented along splines which track the
bottom of the creases for the stitching, which line the edges of the
straps, and are physically modelled into the mesh. The splines are
generated by calculating the midpoints of the polys which form the floor
of the crease prior to final smoothing. These polys can be exported
from Wings, as you know, ("export selected,") but as you may also
realize, they cannot be exported into any set order along a path.
Without the points in a coherent order along a path they cannot be used
to generate a useful spline. At first I tried sorting the polys along
one of the dimensional components, x, y, or z. This could work as long
as the paths were exported in segments which did not turn back on
themselves in the dimension. Then I hit apon a method which seems
obvious enough once you think of it. If I exported the polys in
contiguous bands, each poly sharing vertices with the next, it was easy
enough to reorder them like a string of adjoining dominos by searching
for shared vertices. All I needed to do was mark one ending poly with a
separate texture. So that is what I did. I do the reordering with a
little script in Python. The method is obviously tedious, of course,
when it comes to manually selecting and exporting some 53 different
paths from Wings. (And I am still not finished, the interior stitching
of the toe webbing is yet to be done.) Also the path of the spline does
not adhere exactly to the surface of the smoothed mesh and there is the
perenial problem with the roll of objects when they are oriented to a
twisting spline. I believe there are ways to correct this, though, when
I get up the energy for a second pass.
The best in all of this was the ease with which I could get presentable
renders of what I have, so far, with little set up effort using Jaime's
includes and lighting system. That would have been the fatal straw
otherwise. I hope to try some of the light dome systems also.
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Jim Charter <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote:
> Janet wrote:
> > Amazing job! It's so detailed, the stitching looks fantastic. And I like
> > that shiny red leather too.
> >
> :)
> With Jaime's lighting set up I am hoping to get a good version in black
> leather too. Black leather was always the hardest to paint, also.
Well, I hope you do get a good black one. With red stitching??
Happy Birthday Jim, what's your sign? (giggle)
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Janet wrote:
> Jim Charter <jrc### [at] msncom> wrote:
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>>Janet wrote:
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>>>Amazing job! It's so detailed, the stitching looks fantastic. And I like
>>>that shiny red leather too.
>>>
>>
>>:)
>>With Jaime's lighting set up I am hoping to get a good version in black
>>leather too. Black leather was always the hardest to paint, also.
>
> Well, I hope you do get a good black one. With red stitching??
> Happy Birthday Jim, what's your sign? (giggle)
>
Tanks, 55 :0, Taurus, on the cusp of Gemini
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Jim Charter wrote:
> little script in Python. The method is obviously tedious, of course,
> when it comes to manually selecting and exporting some 53 different
> paths from Wings. (And I am still not finished, the interior stitching
> of the toe webbing is yet to be done.)
Great result, but it sounds like a maintenance nightmare ;)
Did you consider the reverse approach, i.e. defining or modelling
the splines and generating leather bands using a macro or similar?
You'd probably need a second spline for the "orientation". Come to
think of it, does anybody know of a tool for modelling 3D splines?
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Christian Froeschlin wrote:
> Jim Charter wrote:
>
>> little script in Python. The method is obviously tedious, of course,
>> when it comes to manually selecting and exporting some 53 different
>> paths from Wings. (And I am still not finished, the interior
>> stitching of the toe webbing is yet to be done.)
>
>
> Great result, but it sounds like a maintenance nightmare ;)
At least a serious workflow consideration. But with mesh modelling,
workflow, meaning the order of steps, is always crucial. There is very
little ability to go backwards. Best to save many copies of your work
so that you can return to some point and redirect your strategy from
there. So yes, maintenance in the broad sense is something you must
always treat with care in the mesh world. For instance I have yet to
come up with a dependable nomenclature for tracking all the various
branchings my models take.
>
> Did you consider the reverse approach, i.e. defining or modelling
> the splines and generating leather bands using a macro or similar?
> You'd probably need a second spline for the "orientation". Come to
> think of it, does anybody know of a tool for modelling 3D splines?
Most advanced tools I believe would do that. Perhaps Silo, not sure
about Blender, Rhino, one would think, certainly the professional tools.
It is a limitation of Wings that you can only export polys. But
really, that can be worked around with the Python scripts, which once
written, make it easy. The tedium comes with the manual nature of the
export. But that would be similar even if you could build and export
paths as splines or even sequences of verts. The work comes really from
the amount of detail in the subject itself.
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"Jim Charter" <jrc### [at] msncom> schreef in bericht
news:465b8396$1@news.povray.org...
>> Did you consider the reverse approach, i.e. defining or modelling
>> the splines and generating leather bands using a macro or similar?
>> You'd probably need a second spline for the "orientation". Come to
>> think of it, does anybody know of a tool for modelling 3D splines?
>
> Most advanced tools I believe would do that. Perhaps Silo, not sure about
> Blender, Rhino, one would think, certainly the professional tools. It is a
> limitation of Wings that you can only export polys. But really, that can
> be worked around with the Python scripts, which once written, make it
> easy. The tedium comes with the manual nature of the export. But that
> would be similar even if you could build and export paths as splines or
> even sequences of verts. The work comes really from the amount of detail
> in the subject itself.
I can confirm: Silo can model 3D splines very easily. In my image "Cathy's
World #2" (the one in the dark tunnel), the curving tunnel was built using a
spline.
Thomas
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Jim Charter wrote:
> With Jaime's lighting set up I am hoping to get a good version in black
> leather too. Black leather was always the hardest to paint, also.
But NOT black PATENT!! ... IIRC :)
Very nice. I read through the thread about the work that went into the
model. If it were easy, I suppose every model would look like this.
I went back and looked at your object study shots recently when
commenting on an object study render in the RTC. This shot looks very
casual in comparison to what you have posted before in the "genre". Not
at all like your previously posted black pointy shoes which evinced the
same reverential feel as your religious and ceremonial object renders.
-Shay
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Shay wrote:
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> But NOT black PATENT!! ... IIRC :)
LOL, yes patent leather is easier to paint and easiest to texture in a
render. However, in terms of sexual power, it does nothing for me.
>
> Very nice. I read through the thread about the work that went into the
> model. If it were easy, I suppose every model would look like this.
Thanks Shay.
>
> I went back and looked at your object study shots recently when
> commenting on an object study render in the RTC. This shot looks very
> casual in comparison to what you have posted before in the "genre". Not
> at all like your previously posted black pointy shoes which evinced the
> same reverential feel as your religious and ceremonial object renders.
>
Yes. And for slightly skewed reasons, probably not worth detailing.
But the project isn't finished yet and in fact I would say that to
complete the image to my own satisfaction, the ritual needs will make
their demands. I would say, in fact, that I am engaging ritual in ways
with equal or even more ambition than in the earlier pieces you mention.
To try to be more clear. Where the project has gone involves
significant 'ritual' indulgence on my part. Whether that will come
across in the end, I don't know. The indulgence is the process. The
image is, in some regard, merely a byproduct.
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