I don't like the above title, so that will probably change, but overall, I'm 
pretty happy with the way this has turned out.  Since my last post in April 
(I think), I have fixed the chair dimensions (It was too wide), changed the 
style (and completed) the side-table, and made a few other technical 
improvements.

However, I wouldn't mind some advice, especially in certain areas, like 
framing.  I was thinking of making this taller, so that it included more of 
the table and chair legs.  Additionally, I have considered changing the 
camera position, among other things.  Or maybe adjusting the lighting.

Certain parts of the image are "tweaked" and intentional, however.  The 
shadow of the cross falling onto the boxes was very deliberate.  If you 
think you can make out a shadowy figure on the cross shape, you are also 
correct.  I generally don't like pointing out those details, because if 
anyone gets enjoyment from my pictures, it's supposed to be from finding the 
minor details.  I guess that's my approach to Art.  Yes, the cross shadow is 
created by the window mullions (I think that's the right word for the 
divider thingies), so it serves a dual purpose.

Ovearall, this was one image that I definitely tried to keep simple.  KISS 
(keep it simple, stupid) had to be adhered to because, while I doubt the 
Shakers invented the term, it seems to quite readily sum up a large part of 
their belief-system.  So, I believe that I have quite accurately captured 
both the Christianity and the Simplicity evident in their beliefs.  I 
rock!!!  But seriously, that was my intent, and I think I did pretty well, 
hopefully without being too cliched.  But you be the judge of that.

Again, feel free to criticize, offer advice, tell me I'm an idiot, etc. 
Basically, this is one scene on which I would really appreciate feedback, 
positive or negative.  I'm feeling unusually thick-skinned.  ;-)

--
Jeremy M. Praay

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Great! I've just dropped in here to find a nice wallpaper for my desktop
(just installed new system) and first thing to find was your beautiful
picture. Even its size is what I need. I guess it will stay in my computer
for a long time. Hope it isn't copyrighted and can be used as desktop
wallpaper ;-)
Przemek

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"Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecmo> wrote in message 
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>snip<
> Again, feel free to criticize, offer advice, tell me I'm an idiot, etc. 
> Basically, this is one scene on which I would really appreciate feedback, 
> positive or negative.  I'm feeling unusually thick-skinned.  ;-)
>
> --
> Jeremy M. Praay
>
>
The composition is quite pleasing to my eye.
My only issues of concern were:
  the way-too-yellowness of the early morning light
  the absence of a skirting board
  the height of the dado rail on the wall (higher than ladder-back top makes 
it useless/unutilitarian)
To quote the Shakers - form follows function

DLM

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Jeremy M. Praay spake:

> I don't like the above title, so that will probably change, but overall,
> I'm
> pretty happy with the way this has turned out.  Since my last post in

Hi Jeremy

I like it quite a lot - especially the light effect - it looks almost
exactly like a scene I remember from my childhood in my grandparents house
early one morning. The composition is OK too, I would like a bit more
"stuff" in the scene (it looks a bit empty to my eye) but since it is still
almost-WIP (!) it looks quite good I think.

Regards,
-- 
Stefan Viljoen
Software Support Technician / Programmer
Polar Design Solutions

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"Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecmo> schreef in bericht
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> However, I wouldn't mind some advice, especially in certain areas, like
> framing.  I was thinking of making this taller, so that it included more
of
> the table and chair legs.  Additionally, I have considered changing the
> camera position, among other things.  Or maybe adjusting the lighting.
>

Very neat and careful image, Jeremy. I think it would win in dramatic
feeling if the format were portrait instead of landscape. Also, in the
religious meaning, it would simbolize the vertical trend of communication
with God. The elements in the scene are already more vertically-oriented
than horizontal.

Thomas

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"Przemek Loesch" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message 
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> Great! I've just dropped in here to find a nice wallpaper for my desktop
> (just installed new system) and first thing to find was your beautiful
> picture. Even its size is what I need. I guess it will stay in my computer
> for a long time. Hope it isn't copyrighted and can be used as desktop
> wallpaper ;-)
> Przemek
>
Thank you!  And you're certainly free to use it as Wallpaper.  :-)  I often 
use my own pictures as my desktop wallpaper while they are in-progress. Then 
I can stare at them and consider what the scene might need, plus I sometimes 
get remarks from coworkers, which can be helpful.

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"dlm" <me### [at] addressinvalid> wrote in message 
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>
> The composition is quite pleasing to my eye.
> My only issues of concern were:
>  the way-too-yellowness of the early morning light
>  the absence of a skirting board
>  the height of the dado rail on the wall (higher than ladder-back top 
> makes it useless/unutilitarian)
> To quote the Shakers - form follows function
>

Thank you for your response!

The light may be too yellow.  I experimented with my digital camera and took 
several photos that I used for comparison.  But in this case, I was looking 
for a very yellow (almost orange) light.

The peg-board (if I had created one) would be much higher up, yes.  Dado 
rails at this height were very common in the 1800's.  I'll have to check 
some of my Shaker reference photo's, since I don't recall exacly why I did 
it that way.  Maybe I had no particular reason.  I think the image needs 
"something" in that space, however.

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"Stefan Viljoen polard.com>" <spamnot@<removethis> wrote in message 
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>
> I like it quite a lot - especially the light effect - it looks almost
> exactly like a scene I remember from my childhood in my grandparents house
> early one morning. The composition is OK too, I would like a bit more
> "stuff" in the scene (it looks a bit empty to my eye) but since it is 
> still
> almost-WIP (!) it looks quite good I think.
>

Thank you!  I added a couple of things to the back wall, but I felt like 
they were too distracting.  I thought about having a small broom hanging in 
the back, though.  I'm still considering it, though modelling a decent whisk 
broom sounds fairly challenging.

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"Thomas de Groot" <t.d### [at] internlnet> wrote in message 
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>
> Very neat and careful image, Jeremy. I think it would win in dramatic
> feeling if the format were portrait instead of landscape. Also, in the
> religious meaning, it would simbolize the vertical trend of communication
> with God. The elements in the scene are already more vertically-oriented
> than horizontal.
>

I often "feel" that something isn't right (or could be better), but I don't 
have an objective view of "why".  I think you've given that to me.  Very 
good input.  Thank you.

I'll experiment with a few different sizes and repost.  Hopefully soon.

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"Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecmo> wrote in message
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> "dlm" <me### [at] addressinvalid> wrote in message
> news:438e6faf$1@news.povray.org...
> >
> > The composition is quite pleasing to my eye.
> > My only issues of concern were:
> >  the way-too-yellowness of the early morning light
> >  the absence of a skirting board
> >  the height of the dado rail on the wall (higher than ladder-back top
> > makes it useless/unutilitarian)
> > To quote the Shakers - form follows function
> >
>
> Thank you for your response!
>
> The light may be too yellow.  I experimented with my digital camera and
took

I agree with the yellowness. A little too much for my taste. It looks like a
fun scene to tweak lighting on for hours and hours :)

have you thought about a night-time variation? i know it wouldn't get the
points across that you wanted to make, but it might look neat anyway.

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