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What might be your suggestions with this image?

  ~Steve~

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St. <4387b689@news.povray.org> Saturday 26 of November 2005 02:13

> What might be your suggestions with this image?

This is in Pov? Very neat :)

Only, IMHO, the neck/head is wrong - it look like a snake

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>What might be your suggestions with this image?

With the speed (s)he is running, there should probably be some motion
blur on the legs/feet and maybe the tail.  You could possibly reduce
the motion blur in the background just a bit.

Looks nice so far.

How was the cat created?  Is it a mesh or (*gulp*) CSG?


Kyle

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"Raf256" <spa### [at] raf256cominvalid> wrote in message 
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> St. <4387b689@news.povray.org> Saturday 26 of November 2005 02:13
>
>> What might be your suggestions with this image?
>
> This is in Pov? Very neat :)

     Thanks.
>
> Only, IMHO, the neck/head is wrong - it look like a snake

     The 'face' of the head is wrong, (which I know about), but the neck is 
right, and I don't see any snake there.  ;)

     ~Steve~


>
> -- 
> Rafa� Maj

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"Kyle" <hob### [at] gatenet> wrote in message 
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> >What might be your suggestions with this image?
>
> With the speed (s)he is running,


     Yeah, good thought about the gender. From my reference image I would 
say that it's a male cheetah, but I guess it's hard to convey this in a CG 
image.


there should probably be some motion
> blur on the legs/feet and maybe the tail.

    Now that's a good idea, thanks. I'll have a play.

You could possibly reduce
> the motion blur in the background just a bit.

    Well, I'm trying to capture one of those high-speed camera images that 
you often see on TV. The background is a played-around with image-map.


>
> Looks nice so far.

     Thank you. :)

>
> How was the cat created?  Is it a mesh or (*gulp*) CSG?

   I *wish* I could do this in CSG, but I would be posting it in 2008(?) 
instead of 2005. It's a wings model.

   Thanks for your suggestions.

    ~Steve~


>
>
> Kyle
>

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"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote:
> "Kyle" <hob### [at] gatenet> wrote in message
> news:v4ufo153sa7otqhf44iu0gvlt64lm8cs0a@4ax.com...
> > >What might be your suggestions with this image?
> >
> > With the speed (s)he is running,
>
>
>      Yeah, good thought about the gender. From my reference image I would
> say that it's a male cheetah, but I guess it's hard to convey this in a CG
> image.
>
>
> there should probably be some motion
> > blur on the legs/feet and maybe the tail.
>
>     Now that's a good idea, thanks. I'll have a play.
>
> You could possibly reduce
> > the motion blur in the background just a bit.
>
>     Well, I'm trying to capture one of those high-speed camera images that
> you often see on TV. The background is a played-around with image-map.
>
>
> >
> > Looks nice so far.
>
>      Thank you. :)
>
> >
> > How was the cat created?  Is it a mesh or (*gulp*) CSG?
>
>    I *wish* I could do this in CSG, but I would be posting it in 2008(?)
> instead of 2005. It's a wings model.
>
>    Thanks for your suggestions.
>
>     ~Steve~
>
>
> >
> >
> > Kyle
> >

i always seem to see white on the paws for cheetahs, might just be
seeing too many cats (house) though

re: the snake comment, head looks 30% small maybe

thought it was a photo, with a woo(sp) very soon after

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Hehehe... compare here:

http://www.bergoiata.org/fe/felins/High%20Velocity,%20Cheetah.jpg

If I didn't know any better, I'd say I just found your reference image. ;-)

[I notice that it looks like it's been edited somehow...]


See here:
http://www.bergoiata.org/fe/felins/Afterthoughts,%20Cheetah.jpg

The cheetah does indeed have a supprisingly thick neck and oddly small head.


Your texturing needs work. (Currently looks like an old sofa.) But the 
modelling is quite good. I'd say the elbow on the furthest front leg 
looks too rounded. There should also probably be slightly more of a 
discontinuity in the spine at the shoulders and hips. Otherwise, not a 
bad model!

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St. <438828ab@news.povray.org> Saturday 26 of November 2005 10:12

>> Only, IMHO, the neck/head is wrong - it look like a snake
> 
>      The 'face' of the head is wrong, (which I know about), but the neck
>      is
> right, and I don't see any snake there.  ;)

I ment: the neck is so big and thick that it is even bigger or equal to
head, same as in snake ;)

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"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote in message news:4387b689@news.povray.org...
> Hey guys,
>
>
> What might be your suggestions with this image?
I assume this is meant to be a cheetah - the fastest animal in the world?
If so:
color scheme - not mottled black/red on green! (black on tan/cream)
See ref pic e.g. http://www.cathouse-fcc.org/gifs-jpegs/zulurun.jpg
face is striped not spotted
ear location?
bring the extremities into frame
The posing is nice and certainly evokes the feeling of speed with the 
blurred background pan effect.
DLM

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Thanks all, for your comments. Very helpful. I think I've improved it a 
little.

   ~Steve~

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"dlm" <me### [at] addressinvalid> wrote in message 
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> "St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote in message news:4387b689@news.povray.org...
>> Hey guys,
>>
>>
>> What might be your suggestions with this image?
> I assume this is meant to be a cheetah - the fastest animal in the world?

    Heh, the clue is in the filename. ;)


> If so:
> color scheme - not mottled black/red on green! (black on tan/cream)
> See ref pic e.g. http://www.cathouse-fcc.org/gifs-jpegs/zulurun.jpg
> face is striped not spotted

    Well, the stripe is there, but I admit it's hard to see. And I agree 
with the face being "not spotted".


> ear location?

   I think it could be a bit bigger, but I was going by that reference 
image, so I think I'll leave it for now.


> bring the extremities into frame

    Check.


> The posing is nice and certainly evokes the feeling of speed with the 
> blurred background pan effect.

     Thank you. What do you think now?

     ~Steve~


> DLM
>

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"Orchid XP v2" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> Hehehe... compare here:
>
> http://www.bergoiata.org/fe/felins/High%20Velocity,%20Cheetah.jpg
>
> If I didn't know any better, I'd say I just found your reference image. 
> ;-)

    Yaaaaayyyy!  Yep, that's the one alrighty...
>
> [I notice that it looks like it's been edited somehow...]

    Do you think so? In which way?


>
>
> See here:
> http://www.bergoiata.org/fe/felins/Afterthoughts,%20Cheetah.jpg
>
> The cheetah does indeed have a supprisingly thick neck and oddly small 
> head.
>
>
> Your texturing needs work. (Currently looks like an old sofa.) But the 
> modelling is quite good. I'd say the elbow on the furthest front leg looks 
> too rounded. There should also probably be slightly more of a 
> discontinuity in the spine at the shoulders and hips. Otherwise, not a bad 
> model!

     Thanks, I'm on version 5 at the mo.

     ~Steve~

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> i always seem to see white on the paws for cheetahs, might just be
> seeing too many cats (house) though

    Yes, I haven't even thought about the paws properly yet.

>
> re: the snake comment, head looks 30% small maybe

     Definately! I think it's sorted now.
>
> thought it was a photo, with a woo(sp) very soon after

     Heh, thanks.

     What do you think of the update?

     ~Steve~


>
>

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"Raf256" <spa### [at] raf256cominvalid> wrote in message 
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> St. <438828ab@news.povray.org> Saturday 26 of November 2005 10:12
>
>>> Only, IMHO, the neck/head is wrong - it look like a snake
>>
>>      The 'face' of the head is wrong, (which I know about), but the neck
>>      is
>> right, and I don't see any snake there.  ;)
>
> I ment: the neck is so big and thick that it is even bigger or equal to
> head, same as in snake ;)

     Yeah, you were right Raf - I just didn't spot it! :oO

         Thanks.

      ~Steve~

>
> -- 
> Rafa� Maj

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>> If I didn't know any better, I'd say I just found your reference 
>> image. ;-)
> 
> 
>    Yaaaaayyyy!  Yep, that's the one alrighty...

LOL. ;-)

>> [I notice that it looks like it's been edited somehow...]
> 
> 
>    Do you think so? In which way?

Looks like the animal has been "cut out" and stuck on top of the blurry 
background. (Look at the edges; they somehow don't look "right".)

>> Your texturing needs work. (Currently looks like an old sofa.) But the 
>> modelling is quite good. I'd say the elbow on the furthest front leg 
>> looks too rounded. There should also probably be slightly more of a 
>> discontinuity in the spine at the shoulders and hips. Otherwise, not a 
>> bad model!
> 
> 
>     Thanks, I'm on version 5 at the mo.

Keep it up. ;-)

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Definite texturing improvements.

The bit under the chip is actually a tuft of fur waving in the breeze; 
in your image, it looks like some bizzare kind of growth coming out of 
the animal's neck.

The elbows at the front still need work. The far one is too smooth. The 
near one seens to "tuck in" behind the bone. (Compare to the reference.)

The back legs look good. The tail probably joins the body a bit too 
smoothly, but otherwise looks good.

Anyway, it's better than anything I ever made...

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St. wrote:
> 
> "zmemw16" <nomail@nomail> wrote in message 
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> 
>> i always seem to see white on the paws for cheetahs, might just be
>> seeing too many cats (house) though
> 
> 
>    Yes, I haven't even thought about the paws properly yet.
> 
>>
>> re: the snake comment, head looks 30% small maybe
> 
> 
>     Definately! I think it's sorted now.
> 
>>
>> thought it was a photo, with a woo(sp) very soon after
> 
> 
>     Heh, thanks.
> 
>     What do you think of the update?
> 
>     ~Steve~
> 
> 
>>
>>
> 
only just seen it browsing the thread, improved

dalmations(sp?) spring to mind, that could be background fur colour not 
quite right, or too many dots ?

if it went past at speed, i'd describe it as a cheetah

i'll wait for the animation :-)

stephen

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"stephen parkinson" <ste### [at] zmemw16demoncouk> wrote in message 
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>>
> only just seen it browsing the thread, improved

     Thanks! The next one should be better as I'm totally remodelling the 
head and some other bits.
>
> dalmations(sp?) spring to mind, that could be background fur colour not 
> quite right, or too many dots ?

     Yes, I'm having hassles with this, although it does look better than 
the original.
>
> if it went past at speed, i'd describe it as a cheetah
>
> i'll wait for the animation :-)

   :o)  Heh, that would be good! But it's a no-no for now as I've never 
tried animation.

     ~Steve~


>
> stephen

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"Orchid XP v2" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> Definite texturing improvements.

    That's good.

>
> The bit under the chip is actually a tuft of fur waving in the breeze; in 
> your image, it looks like some bizzare kind of growth coming out of the 
> animal's neck.

      It's a boil.

>
> The elbows at the front still need work. The far one is too smooth. The 
> near one seens to "tuck in" behind the bone. (Compare to the reference.)
>
> The back legs look good. The tail probably joins the body a bit too 
> smoothly, but otherwise looks good.
>
> Anyway, it's better than anything I ever made...

      Patience is a virtue. ;)

     ~Steve~

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"Orchid XP v2" <voi### [at] devnull> wrote in message 
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> Hehehe... compare here:
>
> http://www.bergoiata.org/fe/felins/High%20Velocity,%20Cheetah.jpg
>
> If I didn't know any better, I'd say I just found your reference image. 
> ;-)
>
> [I notice that it looks like it's been edited somehow...]


     I'll tell you what Andrew, well spotted mate! (No pun intended). I 
believe this is the original image:

     http://www.1stoppostershop.com/products/Impact/Wildlife/im_TheSpottedWind.jpg

     Pictures do lie...

     Hmm... that now gives me a problem with my image... What to do with the 
background...

     ~Steve~

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