So, this is the final, daylight version of "Windows", now appropriately
named.

I've changed the color of the leather to give it a warmer touch, added
another chair, winebottle and glass, worked some on the contrast, tweaked
the radiosity and arealights... I cheated for the chair, to illuminate it
properly and avoid a blob of dark red color, I enveloped the chair with a
lightgroup with a single, soft and dim arealight for some highlights and
shadowing. Just imagine an open door behind the camera and it works out. ;-)

Anyways, the radiosity gathering required roughly 20 minutes at 320x240
without antialiasing, but the final render, done at 3200x2400 without
antialiasing (so that I can downscale with smooth, clipped values for the
antialiasing), required just above 7 hours whilst rendering "Windows" for a
sunset-version and the test-runs for the empty room. The sunset-version will
have to wait until I find some proper lighting scheme (from RL) to copy,
just judging by memory how orangish the light should be, how dark, etc,
doesn't work out. Besides, I don't have a proper background yet, so I need
to wait until I can make a good photo of a sunset. :-)

I'll probably update my webpage tomorrow or the day after to place this
image in my online-gallery, so if anyone wants to use it for the desktop or
such, check my webpage sometime in the next few days to get the 1280x960
version from there.

And thanks for all the feedback during the WIP. :-)

Regards,
Tim
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"Tim Nikias v2.0"
Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>

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Tim Nikias wrote:
> So, this is the final, daylight version of "Windows", now appropriately
> named.

I've been loving it so far, but I have a problem now! That chair is (it 
seems) floating above the floor .. the reflection of the bottom bar is a 
long way from the bar itself. Also, the points at which the chair touch 
the floor mean that if you lean forward to pick up your glass of wine, 
the whole chair will tip forward and likely dump you out!

Which, depending of your visitors, might not be a bad thing.

Cheers!
Rick Measham

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Great scene. and with a sparkling Diamond Egagement Ring on the table it 
would be complete!


"Tim Nikias" <JUSTTHELOWERCASE:timISNOTnikias(at)gmx.netWARE> skrev i 
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> So, this is the final, daylight version of "Windows", now appropriately
> named.
>
> I've changed the color of the leather to give it a warmer touch, added
> another chair, winebottle and glass, worked some on the contrast, tweaked
> the radiosity and arealights... I cheated for the chair, to illuminate it
> properly and avoid a blob of dark red color, I enveloped the chair with a

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Tim Nikias wrote:
> So, this is the final, daylight version of "Windows", now appropriately
> named.
> 
> I've changed the color of the leather to give it a warmer touch, added
> another chair, winebottle and glass, worked some on the contrast, tweaked
> the radiosity and arealights... I cheated for the chair, to illuminate it
> properly and avoid a blob of dark red color, I enveloped the chair with a
> lightgroup with a single, soft and dim arealight for some highlights and
> shadowing. Just imagine an open door behind the camera and it works out. ;-)
> 
> Anyways, the radiosity gathering required roughly 20 minutes at 320x240
> without antialiasing, but the final render, done at 3200x2400 without
> antialiasing (so that I can downscale with smooth, clipped values for the
> antialiasing), required just above 7 hours whilst rendering "Windows" for a
> sunset-version and the test-runs for the empty room. The sunset-version will
> have to wait until I find some proper lighting scheme (from RL) to copy,
> just judging by memory how orangish the light should be, how dark, etc,
> doesn't work out. Besides, I don't have a proper background yet, so I need
> to wait until I can make a good photo of a sunset. :-)
> 
> I'll probably update my webpage tomorrow or the day after to place this
> image in my online-gallery, so if anyone wants to use it for the desktop or
> such, check my webpage sometime in the next few days to get the 1280x960
> version from there.
> 
> And thanks for all the feedback during the WIP. :-)
> 
> Regards,
> Tim
> 

I like it very much.

Sebastian

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"Tim Nikias" <JUSTTHELOWERCASE:timISNOTnikias(at)gmx.netWARE> wrote:
> So, this is the final, daylight version of "Windows", now appropriately
> named.

Beautiful image, I love it too !

But I'm agree with Rick...
maybe a bad thing for your customers
maybe a good thing for your mother-in-law... ;-)

René
http://rene.bui.free.fr  - online portfolio

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> I've been loving it so far, but I have a problem now! That chair is (it
> seems) floating above the floor .. the reflection of the bottom bar is a
> long way from the bar itself. Also, the points at which the chair touch
> the floor mean that if you lean forward to pick up your glass of wine,
> the whole chair will tip forward and likely dump you out!

Hm, yeah, now that you and Rene mention it... I'll have to change that
before rerendering the image again. As for the floating, can't do much about
it, it is *on* the floor. I'll recheck though and look if subdivision didn't
turn out to leave the chair hovering a few millimetres...

Regards,
Tim

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Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>

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> Great scene. and with a sparkling Diamond Egagement Ring on the table it
> would be complete!

That would be a little much for my taste, but the idea is nice nontheless.
:-)

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"Tim Nikias v2.0"
Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>

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If you are re-rendering I will make another suggestion for your 
consideration...  when you scaled up the picture window you also scaled 
up the frame.  I think the frame on the open pane is too wide... looks 
like about six inches to me, based on the wine bottle, glasses, etc.

Of course you know you've got a good image if this is all people can 
find to criticize :-)

Tim Nikias wrote:
>>I've been loving it so far, but I have a problem now! That chair is (it
>>seems) floating above the floor .. the reflection of the bottom bar is a
>>long way from the bar itself. Also, the points at which the chair touch
>>the floor mean that if you lean forward to pick up your glass of wine,
>>the whole chair will tip forward and likely dump you out!
> 
> 
> Hm, yeah, now that you and Rene mention it... I'll have to change that
> before rerendering the image again. As for the floating, can't do much about
> it, it is *on* the floor. I'll recheck though and look if subdivision didn't
> turn out to leave the chair hovering a few millimetres...
> 
> Regards,
> Tim
>

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> If you are re-rendering I will make another suggestion for your
> consideration...  when you scaled up the picture window you also scaled
> up the frame.  I think the frame on the open pane is too wide... looks
> like about six inches to me, based on the wine bottle, glasses, etc.

So you mean the width of the pane of the open/tilted window? Yeah, it could
be a little smaller and still look endurable enough... I'll check on that as
well. Thanks for pointing it out!

> Of course you know you've got a good image if this is all people can
> find to criticize :-)

Nice mentioning that. Thank you! :-)

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Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>

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Here's the update with the latest, suggested and important changes: the
chair shouldn't tip over anymore, and the window doesn't look like it's a
vault door. :-) 9.5 hours rendering, cause this time, I rendered at
3200x2400 with antialiasing.

Regards,
Tim

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Whoah!

With this really nice scene, did anyone notice something missing on the 
floor?  (I don't necessarily mean "dust"... although maybe that's 
missing...)  The outside does not reflect on the floor at all... only its 
light reflects.



"Tim Nikias" <JUSTTHELOWERCASE:timISNOTnikias(at)gmx.netWARE> wrote in 
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> Here's the update with the latest, suggested and important changes: the
> chair shouldn't tip over anymore, and the window doesn't look like it's a
> vault door. :-) 9.5 hours rendering, cause this time, I rendered at
> 3200x2400 with antialiasing.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> -- 
> "Tim Nikias v2.0"
> Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>
>
>
>

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"EagleSun" <nomail@nomail> schreef in bericht
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> Whoah!
>
> With this really nice scene, did anyone notice something missing on the
> floor?  (I don't necessarily mean "dust"... although maybe that's
> missing...)  The outside does not reflect on the floor at all... only its
> light reflects.
>
>
I presume that the landscape itself is too low (and "far") to reflect in the
floor, so only the sky is reflected... Is that correct, Tim?

Thomas

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> I presume that the landscape itself is too low (and "far") to reflect in
the
> floor, so only the sky is reflected... Is that correct, Tim?

Yup, great thinking Thomas, but there's a technical side to it as well.

The landscape is just a photo, which is placed roughly 16 meters away from
the room. It just fits the camera's viewing frustrum. But since it just sits
on a rectangular mesh (made of two triangles), reflections would look
awkward. So it isn't reflected at all, anywhere, using no_reflection. The
viewpoint does allow this, because, like you said, the room is above the
ground, so it would only reflect things above the floor-level, which, in
effect, would only be clouds.

Regards,
Tim

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"Tim Nikias" <JUSTTHELOWERCASE:timISNOTnikias(at)gmx.netWARE> schreef in
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> The landscape is just a photo, which is placed roughly 16 meters away from
> the room. It just fits the camera's viewing frustrum. But since it just
sits
> on a rectangular mesh (made of two triangles), reflections would look
> awkward. So it isn't reflected at all, anywhere, using no_reflection. The
> viewpoint does allow this, because, like you said, the room is above the
> ground, so it would only reflect things above the floor-level, which, in
> effect, would only be clouds.
>

Yes, I discovered the no_reflection in your scene after sending my last
message. So, this is something to be careful about when choosing a photo for
the background. Hmm... perhaps I shall try something else....

Thomas

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Late answer.. nonetheless, I like it very much.
It's got some sort of Vray rendering feeling to it.
And that's not something bad from my point of view.
Maybe it's how the sunlight hits the wooden floor that
gives it that feeling to me.
I really like it. The small details, like the power outlet.

You should show this on CGTalk.com to get their
view too.. IMHO. :)

Stefan

"Tim Nikias" <JUSTTHELOWERCASE:timISNOTnikias(at)gmx.netWARE> skrev i 
meddelandet news:43181930@news.povray.org...
> Here's the update with the latest, suggested and important changes: the
> chair shouldn't tip over anymore, and the window doesn't look like it's a
> vault door. :-) 9.5 hours rendering, cause this time, I rendered at
> 3200x2400 with antialiasing.
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> -- 
> "Tim Nikias v2.0"
> Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>
>
>
>

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> You should show this on CGTalk.com to get their
> view too.. IMHO. :)

I did that, and I got exactly ONE reply, and that was: "Photons for the
bottle? Can I see a close-up?"

To be honest, I sometimes think that those folks hanging out at CGTalk are
pretty full of themselves. Instead of giving some constructive criticism,
they *just* critisize or open their mouth to voice stuff like "What? It's
just another short movie, don't know why everybody is gushing about it."

I don't know, but that's not my taste. I either say something like a
compliment, or critisize by hinting at what *I* think could have been
better...

Ah well. To sum it up: I like it better here. :-)

Regards,
Tim

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Agreed. They are pretty elitistic.. Atleast some of them.
And, yes, sometimes it's gambling if you will get pointers
or not. But I think if you are lucky sometime you can get
the attention of one of the better artists there and that can
most surely help you delelop both the image and yourself.
As an example, I had some problems when I was taking
my first stumbling steps to learn how the physics worked
in 3ds MAX 7. And luckily enough, one of the really good
guys saw my post and gave me alot of useful helpers and
information. He even sent me a sample scene that I could
disect to help me understand how to set up deflectors,
particle flows and so on.

But I hear you, and I agree. :)

Stefan

"Tim Nikias" <JUSTTHELOWERCASE:timISNOTnikias(at)gmx.netWARE> skrev i 
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>> You should show this on CGTalk.com to get their
>> view too.. IMHO. :)
>
> I did that, and I got exactly ONE reply, and that was: "Photons for the
> bottle? Can I see a close-up?"
>
> To be honest, I sometimes think that those folks hanging out at CGTalk are
> pretty full of themselves. Instead of giving some constructive criticism,
> they *just* critisize or open their mouth to voice stuff like "What? It's
> just another short movie, don't know why everybody is gushing about it."
>
> I don't know, but that's not my taste. I either say something like a
> compliment, or critisize by hinting at what *I* think could have been
> better...
>
> Ah well. To sum it up: I like it better here. :-)
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
> -- 
> "Tim Nikias v2.0"
> Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>
>
>

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