Perhaps a more advanced version will create more feedback... So, here I am
now. Not yet sure if this isn't already the finished state, but that's it
for today.

I'm thinking about removing the blue light off of the man, so that his
silhouette is rather black vs the background, instead of the outlined
version similiar to the woman.

What bugs me is the goodbye-wave the woman tosses at him whilst not looking,
I'm not 100% sure that it has the correct effect. I'm still working on that,
but maybe that's the best I can do when doing silhouettes.

Anyways, comments and suggestions appreciated,
Tim

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On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 03:09:38 +0100, Tim Nikias v2.0 wrote:

> Perhaps a more advanced version will create more feedback... So, here I am
> now. Not yet sure if this isn't already the finished state, but that's it
> for today.
> 
> I'm thinking about removing the blue light off of the man, so that his
> silhouette is rather black vs the background, instead of the outlined
> version similiar to the woman.
> 
> What bugs me is the goodbye-wave the woman tosses at him whilst not looking,
> I'm not 100% sure that it has the correct effect. I'm still working on that,
> but maybe that's the best I can do when doing silhouettes.
> 
> Anyways, comments and suggestions appreciated,
> Tim

Tim, I really like your work, but the woman's arm appears to be in an
unnatural position. Maybe try putting it with the forearm at a 90 degree
angle (give or take and the palm facing forward) might make it appear
more natural (although that might not convey the same message).

Also, the man not facing her would not see her waving so what is the
point? I would think that rotating the man towards her a little more might
help. Maybe even turn his face a little towards the woman while still
looking down.

No matter what you decide to do, thanks for sharing your wonderful works
with us. They really make me wish I was able to generate images that would
evoke the emotions that yours do.

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Tim Nikias v2.0 wrote:

> Perhaps a more advanced version will create more feedback... So, here I am
> now. Not yet sure if this isn't already the finished state, but that's it
> for today.
> 
> I'm thinking about removing the blue light off of the man, so that his
> silhouette is rather black vs the background, instead of the outlined
> version similiar to the woman.
> 
> What bugs me is the goodbye-wave the woman tosses at him whilst not looking,
> I'm not 100% sure that it has the correct effect. I'm still working on that,
> but maybe that's the best I can do when doing silhouettes.
> 
> Anyways, comments and suggestions appreciated,

First impression I got is that she was sayin', "Talk to the hand 'cuz 
the ears ain't listenin'!".

Yeah, I know that look.
:-(
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Tim Nikias v2.0 wrote:

> Perhaps a more advanced version will create more feedback... So, here I am
> now. Not yet sure if this isn't already the finished state, but that's it
> for today.
> 
> I'm thinking about removing the blue light off of the man, so that his
> silhouette is rather black vs the background, instead of the outlined
> version similiar to the woman.
> 
> What bugs me is the goodbye-wave the woman tosses at him whilst not
> looking, I'm not 100% sure that it has the correct effect. I'm still
> working on that, but maybe that's the best I can do when doing
> silhouettes.
> 
> Anyways, comments and suggestions appreciated,
> Tim
> 

cool
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Tim Nikias v2.0 wrote:
> Perhaps a more advanced version will create more feedback... So, here I am
> now. Not yet sure if this isn't already the finished state, but that's it
> for today.
> 
> I'm thinking about removing the blue light off of the man, so that his
> silhouette is rather black vs the background, instead of the outlined
> version similiar to the woman.
> 
> What bugs me is the goodbye-wave the woman tosses at him whilst not looking,
> I'm not 100% sure that it has the correct effect. I'm still working on that,
> but maybe that's the best I can do when doing silhouettes.
> 
> Anyways, comments and suggestions appreciated,
> Tim
> 
> 
in the uk, if you try to 'advise' / 'moan' / 'correct' in someway a 
teenager, the resonse is usually "Whatever"

I wonder if you'd consider a title change as it seems to scream it.

now, if you added a mirror behind him reflecting just the smile on his 
face, it would certainly get intrigueing (sp?)

I would also suggest you shorten her left thumb, and put in a slight ( 
15-20 degree) elbow bend. You can put your arm in that position, reminds
me of a swimming strke gone awry.

stephen

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Tim Nikias v2.0 wrote:
> Perhaps a more advanced version will create more feedback... So, here I am
> now. Not yet sure if this isn't already the finished state, but that's it
> for today.
> 
> I'm thinking about removing the blue light off of the man, so that his
> silhouette is rather black vs the background, instead of the outlined
> version similiar to the woman.
> 
> What bugs me is the goodbye-wave the woman tosses at him whilst not looking,
> I'm not 100% sure that it has the correct effect. I'm still working on that,
> but maybe that's the best I can do when doing silhouettes.
> 
> Anyways, comments and suggestions appreciated,
> Tim
> 
> 

re- fingers, what i thought was a thumb, appears after counting to be a 
finger, please rephrase previous to ' show left thumb'

stephen

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I preferred your first version, I found the structure  more appealing, there
was more room to read your own story into it.  Sorry.

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> cool

Thanks!

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> Tim, I really like your work, but the woman's arm appears to be in an
> unnatural position. Maybe try putting it with the forearm at a 90 degree
> angle (give or take and the palm facing forward) might make it appear
> more natural (although that might not convey the same message).

Yeah, I was pondering about that as well. Though it is quiet possible to
hold your arm like that (tried it and when viewing the Model in Poser with
different angles it is obvious that it is natural), the angle seems to ruin
it. I'm still working on that part, hence, it's still WIP.

> Also, the man not facing her would not see her waving so what is the
> point? I would think that rotating the man towards her a little more might
> help. Maybe even turn his face a little towards the woman while still
> looking down.

Well, the idea is that he *knows* that she's leaving. But come to think
about it, it might even be better to do it reversed: he's waving her a
goodbye, but she's not looking and just leaving... That would make her care
even less...

> No matter what you decide to do, thanks for sharing your wonderful works
> with us. They really make me wish I was able to generate images that would
> evoke the emotions that yours do.

Thanks for the praise! :-)

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> First impression I got is that she was sayin', "Talk to the hand 'cuz
> the ears ain't listenin'!".

Hm, you're right... Not totally "off-topic" for the pic, but not what I
really intended... I'll keep that in mind though.

> Yeah, I know that look.
> :-(

I guess we all do.

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> in the uk, if you try to 'advise' / 'moan' / 'correct' in someway a
> teenager, the resonse is usually "Whatever"
>
> I wonder if you'd consider a title change as it seems to scream it.

Nah, the title is the destination. If the WIP isn't doing it's job, it gets
modified and altered until it does, not the other way round. :-)

> now, if you added a mirror behind him reflecting just the smile on his
> face, it would certainly get intrigueing (sp?)

Wouldn't fit the idea of the image I have in mind, but that sure is
intrigueing (not sure either if that is spelled correctly).

> I would also suggest you shorten her left thumb, and put in a slight (
> 15-20 degree) elbow bend. You can put your arm in that position, reminds
> me of a swimming strke gone awry.

I've already noticed that the arms don't seem to work in this position.
Finetuning was due for the end, it's just the general idea and composition
at the moment.

Regards,
Tim

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> I preferred your first version, I found the structure  more appealing,
there
> was more room to read your own story into it.  Sorry.

Hm. I'll be making some changes, maybe that'll make it more versatile then.
Can't promise anything though! :-)

Regards,
Tim

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I think the camera angle in the first version portrayed better the
feeling the man is feeling. It is seen from his angle, and thus
subjective. You see what he see and thus feel what he feel. The new
version looks more at the scene from a third-person point of view, and
even slightly closer to the woman than the man. I prefer the subjective
angle.

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> I think the camera angle in the first version portrayed better the
> feeling the man is feeling. It is seen from his angle, and thus
> subjective. You see what he see and thus feel what he feel. The new
> version looks more at the scene from a third-person point of view, and
> even slightly closer to the woman than the man. I prefer the subjective
> angle.

Good point. I was trying to get away from the straight-forward subjective
angle and went for a more broad, yet still subjective-tinted image. There's
the background which goes from light to dark and broadens from man to woman,
as she is leaving him behind. As a next step, I want to try switching the
sizes, e.g. its the woman that's getting smaller whilst leaving.

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Tim

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Here's a new version. As mentioned in a post to Rune, I'll try switching
their sizes and the angle of the background. That should focus more on the
man staying, rather than the leaving woman. I've also switched the waving
person, its now the man, sadly (looking downwards) waving at her, while she
is just going and not looking back.

Thanks for the comments and suggestions so far!

Regards,
Tim

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"Tim Nikias v2.0" <#macro timnikias (@) #local = "gmx.net" #end> wrote in
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> Here's a new version. As mentioned in a post to Rune, I'll try switching
> their sizes and the angle of the background. That should focus more on the
> man staying, rather than the leaving woman. I've also switched the waving
> person, its now the man, sadly (looking downwards) waving at her, while
she
> is just going and not looking back.
>
> Thanks for the comments and suggestions so far!
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
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> Homepage: <http://www.nolights.de>
>
>
>

I like the color and lighting, but i think the composition in your first WIP
for this scene was the most interesting. it made me wonder who was waving to
whom, or if the perspective was that of the womans looking at herself waving
goodbye to someone unseen.

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So, this is take Take #4. It's closer to the subjective perspective again,
but still shows his sadness and her plain and easy walking-away attitude. At
the least she isn't sad, she's looking straight ahead, be it because she's
just ignoring him and doing so on purpose or because she just doesn't
notice, I leave that open for interpretation (though I do have my own of
course).

I'm as of yet a little unsure of two things: the forced perspective on the
background gradient and his face. I'm thinking about putting his face
looking sideways to show profile, which would make the sadness even more
obvious, as that would seem like he can't even stand looking in her
direction.

In regards of the background gradient, I'm pondering if I should get it even
more out of perspective than what is given by the man's and woman's
appearance, sort of adding a slightly skewed background to it all. Once I
get decided on those things, I'll guess I'll put the image on my website.

As always, comments and suggestions appreciated! :-)

Regards,
Tim

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Tim Nikias v2.0 nous apporta ses lumieres ainsi en ce 2004/04/28 09:18... :

>So, this is take Take #4. It's closer to the subjective perspective again,
>but still shows his sadness and her plain and easy walking-away attitude. At
>the least she isn't sad, she's looking straight ahead, be it because she's
>just ignoring him and doing so on purpose or because she just doesn't
>notice, I leave that open for interpretation (though I do have my own of
>course).
>
>I'm as of yet a little unsure of two things: the forced perspective on the
>background gradient and his face. I'm thinking about putting his face
>looking sideways to show profile, which would make the sadness even more
>obvious, as that would seem like he can't even stand looking in her
>direction.
>
>In regards of the background gradient, I'm pondering if I should get it even
>more out of perspective than what is given by the man's and woman's
>appearance, sort of adding a slightly skewed background to it all. Once I
>get decided on those things, I'll guess I'll put the image on my website.
>
>As always, comments and suggestions appreciated! :-)
>
>Regards,
>Tim
>
>  
>
>
I don't think that seeing the man's face would add anything, maybe, just 
bend his head down a litle more... and also, lowering his harm like he's 
lacking the energy to rise it higher. For me, this is more about 
suggesting feelings than showing.

Alain

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Tim Nikias v2.0 wrote:

> As always, comments and suggestions appreciated! :-)


Hi Tim. I've been watching the progress of this piece, and I have to say 
your second post was the best. It was in take #2 that you seemed to 
convey the man's sorrow more clearly.

Take #4 makes the man look angry, as if he's saying, "Go on, get outta 
here! I don't need you anyway!" Maybe if he beckoned to her with both 
hands out, with his palms facing upward slightly he would look more 
heartbroken? Another pose might be on one knee, with one of his hands 
over his face and another pleading for her return. But then he might 
look guilty of something....

-Samuel Benge

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> I don't think that seeing the man's face would add anything, maybe, just
> bend his head down a litle more... and also, lowering his harm like he's
> lacking the energy to rise it higher. For me, this is more about
> suggesting feelings than showing.

I liked the idea of his arm being not as much raised as it was. As for the
face, didn't lower it much more and it's showing a hint of outline, but just
subtle. Makes it noticeable that he's not looking after her.

Regards,
Tim

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> Hi Tim. I've been watching the progress of this piece, and I have to say
> your second post was the best. It was in take #2 that you seemed to
> convey the man's sorrow more clearly.
>
> Take #4 makes the man look angry, as if he's saying, "Go on, get outta
> here! I don't need you anyway!" Maybe if he beckoned to her with both
> hands out, with his palms facing upward slightly he would look more
> heartbroken? Another pose might be on one knee, with one of his hands
> over his face and another pleading for her return. But then he might
> look guilty of something....

The replies I get to the progress of this image are very interesting and
diverse. #2 was all about his sorrow, somehow, and she was leaving really
carelessly. You're right about #4, his hand had that jerky pose which was
much like flinging it away after her. I've just finished what I'll call
"Final Goodbye", for me, it nails what I was looking for. Of course, there
may be different interpretations, but, after all, I'm the artist of my
images. ;-)

Thanks for the comment!

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