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I'm building a new computer wall-desk in my basement, which will hopefully
be large enough for our 3 computers, plus 3 people. If not, we'll probably
have to keep one of our current desks.
Anyway, one of my first POV-Ray exercises was to build a fairly decent model
of my basement. At the time, I had absolutely no idea what I was doing, but
it turned out fairly well anyway.
Well, I thought it would be nice to get a decent idea of how my desk would
actually look in the basement, so I put this together. I've noticed a few
mistakes, but since I'm not making a poster out of this, I guess I really
don't care very much. However, please feel free to suggest things, as I
still have much to learn, and this is a fun little side-project.
One thing I couldn't get right was the flourescent light. It just doesn't
seem like it's emitting light (ambient 1 + an area light source +
radiosity). I changed the ceiling tiles to actually look like my real
ceiling, which I finally installed a couple months ago. I never could get
the carpet quite right with procedural textures.
Incidentally, my real basement has a door just a few inches left of the left
edge of the desk.
(Chairs and library/books courtesy of Gilles Tran's macros.)
--
Jeremy
www.beantoad.com
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Hey, that's excellent, but aren't the chairs a little low?
I'm doing exactly the same thing this Summer.
~Steve~
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Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> I'm building a new computer wall-desk in my basement, which will hopefully
> be large enough for our 3 computers, plus 3 people. If not, we'll
> probably have to keep one of our current desks.
Careful you don't spend more time modelling than actually building the real
thing :)
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Rick
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Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> I'm building a new computer wall-desk in my basement, which will hopefully
> be large enough for our 3 computers, plus 3 people.
One suggestion on that ... if you're putting it up against the wall,
make the desk *deep*, and make sure there's holes for the wires down the
back, of course. At least 4 feet deep, unless you're committed to flat
monitors. ;-)
I did a similar thing with a custom bookshelf I had built. source
available, but it's really all just hand-crafted boxes, nothing worth
looking at.
> (Chairs and library/books courtesy of Gilles Tran's macros.)
Where are these available? They're excellent books.
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Darren New, San Diego CA USA (PST)
I am in geosynchronous orbit, supported by
a quantum photon exchange drive....
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"Darren New" <dne### [at] san rrcom> wrote in message
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> Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> > I'm building a new computer wall-desk in my basement, which will
hopefully
> > be large enough for our 3 computers, plus 3 people.
>
> One suggestion on that ... if you're putting it up against the wall,
> make the desk *deep*, and make sure there's holes for the wires down the
> back, of course. At least 4 feet deep, unless you're committed to flat
> monitors. ;-)
I'm using a similar setup at work, both surfaces are about 26 inches deep.
However, at work, I have a keyboard tray (a fairly nice one, actually). The
person in the corner (probably me) should be plenty deep, but I'm not sure
how nice it will be in the corner spot, and where to put the keyboard. I
have a keyboard tray which is part of another desk, that I can attach
underneath one side (unless I decide to spend more money and build my own).
Cheap keyboard trays are cheap, but it is possible to get by without one.
However, that could determine exactly how high I build the desk, so I guess
I should get that figured out. (I think I'm rambling now.)
>
> I did a similar thing with a custom bookshelf I had built. source
> available, but it's really all just hand-crafted boxes, nothing worth
> looking at.
I've thought about building shelves in our bathroom closet. Perhaps I
should POV-Ray that too... ;-)
>
> > (Chairs and library/books courtesy of Gilles Tran's macros.)
>
> Where are these available? They're excellent books.
>
It's part of Gilles's library macro.
http://www.oyonale.com/ressources/english/sources07.htm
I think I may have removed "ambient" from the finishes in that set of macros
to get it to look right with radiosity without turning off all radiosity
everywhere.
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Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> I'm using a similar setup at work, both surfaces are about 26 inches deep.
Well, one more off-topic comment... You might want to consider putting
your back to the wall. It'll be easier on your eyes if you can look up
from the screen and focus on something mroe than a couple feet away.
> I've thought about building shelves in our bathroom closet. Perhaps I
> should POV-Ray that too... ;-)
Well, I did it to show the capenter what I wanted. :-)
> It's part of Gilles's library macro.
> http://www.oyonale.com/ressources/english/sources07.htm
Excellent. Thanks!
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"Rick [Kitty5]" <ric### [at] kitty5com> wrote in message
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> Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
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> > I'm building a new computer wall-desk in my basement, which will
hopefully
> > be large enough for our 3 computers, plus 3 people. If not, we'll
> > probably have to keep one of our current desks.
>
> Careful you don't spend more time modelling than actually building the
real
> thing :)
>
Funny you should say that. I think it's already too late. hehe
Unfortunately, I still don't have all of the pieces that I need. I have
half of the counter-top on back-order, so I probably won't be able to start
working on it until next week.
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www.beantoad.com
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Nice room ! Looks to be quiet :-))
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"Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecom> wrote in message
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What type of support are you planning on using at the L? I don't believe
this design is going to work. Nice looking, though.
Depending on the tools you have, I might suggest a three part top with
legs under the two seams. The wall showing under the table looks nice,
but you'll definitely need some support back there.
I don't know what your carpentry skills are like, but I can offer some
more (very) specific advice if it would help.
-Shay
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Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> I'm building a new computer wall-desk in my basement, which will hopefully
> be large enough for our 3 computers, plus 3 people. If not, we'll probably
> have to keep one of our current desks.
<snip:technical />
Wow -- I thought this was a photograph at first!
Damn fine work!
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Here's my actual design hashed out in Paint, as well as a picture of my
"real" basement, though I'm not sure why I'm throwing that in. Since doing
this drawing, I've decided to leave the end support boards in their
rectangular shape, since I don't have a table saw (just a cheap compound saw
and skilsaw).
The plan is to support the back side with 2x4's against the wall. Where the
two mitered pieces meet (in addition to using the supplied bolts), I'm
planning on using another 2x4 screwed into the others.
I could see the middle area possibly needing more support. One alternate
idea was to place another "support" piece (like the two end boards) kitty
corner through that section, replacing the angled 2x4. Also, I'm planning
to put the outer supports closer to the edge than they are here. I'm
planning to use brackets and "liquid nail" glue to attach most of the pieces
that can't be attached in other obvious ways.
Please offer ([very] specific) advice. I'm new to this, and won't be
offended. :-) I've done most of my basement by myself, and frankly, it
shows, though I'm still somewhat proud of myself. Should that be moved to
p.o-t?
Perfection is easy in POV-Ray. Imperfection is difficult. Real-life is the
opposite. Yet in each, we try to achieve the other. *sigh*
--
Jeremy
www.beantoad.com
"Shay" <sah### [at] simcopartscom> wrote in message
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> "Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecom> wrote in message
> news:4072c63f@news.povray.org...
>
> What type of support are you planning on using at the L? I don't believe
> this design is going to work. Nice looking, though.
>
> Depending on the tools you have, I might suggest a three part top with
> legs under the two seams. The wall showing under the table looks nice,
> but you'll definitely need some support back there.
>
> I don't know what your carpentry skills are like, but I can offer some
> more (very) specific advice if it would help.
>
> -Shay
>
>
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sla### [at] hotmailcom news:40736368@news.povray.org
> Here's my actual design hashed out in Paint, as well as a picture of
> my "real" basement, though I'm not sure why I'm throwing that in.
> Since doing this drawing, I've decided to leave the end support boards
> in their rectangular shape, since I don't have a table saw (just a
> cheap compound saw and skilsaw).
Realy very good reassemblence, if only walls in render where less "green"
--
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"Dan P" <dan### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
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> Wow -- I thought this was a photograph at first!
> Damn fine work!
Naw... The photograph looks much worse. ;-) This desk will never be big
enough for my ego.
Actually, I've started experimenting with with "fade_distance" and "fade
power" using area lights (10x20 for the flourescents in this case, and 5x5
circular for the incandescents). Even without radiosity, those two things
seem to make an "indoor" image come to life. I keep doing "outdoor" images,
so I don't really get to play around with a lot of things like that very
often.
I don't know if you've been to my site, but there is a very small write-up
on the basement scene at the end of my layman's intro to pov-ray.
http://www.beantoad.com/Introduction.htm
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Jeremy
www.beantoad.com
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"St." <dot### [at] dotcom> wrote in message news:4072cfcc@news.povray.org...
> Hey, that's excellent, but aren't the chairs a little low?
>
Not sure, really. I scaled them at 2.7, where 1 unit = 1 foot. The
counter-top is 2.2 feet high. That might put the chair seats at perhaps
14-15 inches from from the floor (judging from the picture), which would be
a little low, I think 17-18 is about normal. So, I think the chairs need to
be slightly bigger, yes.
> I'm doing exactly the same thing this Summer.
Not sure if you're like me, but our current set-up is a space-wasting mess.
3 desks + 3 computers + 3 people + lots of cords and other crap. Even if we
can just confine our mess to a smaller area, it will be an improvement.
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www.beantoad.com
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Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> I'm building a new computer wall-desk in my basement, which will hopefully
> be large enough for our 3 computers, plus 3 people. If not, we'll probably
> have to keep one of our current desks.
>
> Anyway, one of my first POV-Ray exercises was to build a fairly decent model
> of my basement. At the time, I had absolutely no idea what I was doing, but
> it turned out fairly well anyway.
>
> Well, I thought it would be nice to get a decent idea of how my desk would
> actually look in the basement, so I put this together. I've noticed a few
> mistakes, but since I'm not making a poster out of this, I guess I really
> don't care very much. However, please feel free to suggest things, as I
> still have much to learn, and this is a fun little side-project.
>
> One thing I couldn't get right was the flourescent light. It just doesn't
> seem like it's emitting light (ambient 1 + an area light source +
> radiosity). I changed the ceiling tiles to actually look like my real
> ceiling, which I finally installed a couple months ago. I never could get
> the carpet quite right with procedural textures.
>
> Incidentally, my real basement has a door just a few inches left of the left
> edge of the desk.
>
> (Chairs and library/books courtesy of Gilles Tran's macros.)
>
> ii
it might be a good idea to position some suitablely sized monitors
(boxes) /keyboard/mice mats, together with the areas representing arm
and elbow movement over the desktop (polygons?), also maybe cones
representing eye to monitor line
basically nothing to fancy
seems rather tight for three seats - good friends i hope :-)
stephen
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"Jeremy M. Praay" <sla### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de
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> Actually, I've started experimenting with with "fade_distance" and "fade
> power" using area lights (10x20 for the flourescents in this case, and 5x5
> circular for the incandescents). Even without radiosity, those two things
> seem to make an "indoor" image come to life.
Did you have a look at Jaime's lightsys macro system
(http://www.ignorancia.org) ? I believe it's the most physically accurate
modeling of indoor lighting that is available in POV-Ray so far. It could be
handy for this type of project.
G.
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- Graphic experiments
- POV-Ray and Poser computer images
- Posters
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Yes, I have "looked" at it, but honestly, I'm not exactly sure what to do
with it (yet). I keep thinking that some day, I'll try to understand it
more. I've certainly been impressed by some of the demos, and some of the
results that I've seen others attain are stunning. Just about anything
Jaime does blows my mind at a technical level.
I've played around with it every once in awhile, mostly fudging values on
the demos, but so far, I've never actually incorporated it into any of my
scenes.
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Jeremy
www.beantoad.com
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> "Jeremy M. Praay" <sla### [at] hotmailcom> a écrit dans le message de
> news:4073675f@news.povray.org...
>
> > Actually, I've started experimenting with with "fade_distance" and "fade
> > power" using area lights (10x20 for the flourescents in this case, and
5x5
> > circular for the incandescents). Even without radiosity, those two
things
> > seem to make an "indoor" image come to life.
>
> Did you have a look at Jaime's lightsys macro system
> (http://www.ignorancia.org) ? I believe it's the most physically accurate
> modeling of indoor lighting that is available in POV-Ray so far. It could
be
> handy for this type of project.
>
> G.
>
> --
>
> **********************
> http://www.oyonale.com
> **********************
> - Graphic experiments
> - POV-Ray and Poser computer images
> - Posters
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"stephen parkinson" <ste### [at] zmemw16demoncouk> wrote in message
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> Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> > I'm building a new computer wall-desk in my basement, which will
hopefully
> > be large enough for our 3 computers, plus 3 people. If not, we'll
probably
> > have to keep one of our current desks.
> >
> > Anyway, one of my first POV-Ray exercises was to build a fairly decent
model
> > of my basement. At the time, I had absolutely no idea what I was doing,
but
> > it turned out fairly well anyway.
> >
> > Well, I thought it would be nice to get a decent idea of how my desk
would
> > actually look in the basement, so I put this together. I've noticed a
few
> > mistakes, but since I'm not making a poster out of this, I guess I
really
> > don't care very much. However, please feel free to suggest things, as I
> > still have much to learn, and this is a fun little side-project.
> >
> > One thing I couldn't get right was the flourescent light. It just
doesn't
> > seem like it's emitting light (ambient 1 + an area light source +
> > radiosity). I changed the ceiling tiles to actually look like my real
> > ceiling, which I finally installed a couple months ago. I never could
get
> > the carpet quite right with procedural textures.
> >
> > Incidentally, my real basement has a door just a few inches left of the
left
> > edge of the desk.
> >
> > (Chairs and library/books courtesy of Gilles Tran's macros.)
> >
> > ii
>
> it might be a good idea to position some suitablely sized monitors
> (boxes) /keyboard/mice mats, together with the areas representing arm
> and elbow movement over the desktop (polygons?), also maybe cones
> representing eye to monitor line
> basically nothing to fancy
I could stick poser models in the chairs. :-) I would guess that 3D cafe
has some models of computer components.
I also think keyboard trays may be a necessity at this point. I'm going to
have to shop around.
>
> seems rather tight for three seats - good friends i hope :-)
>
Me, my wife, and my daughter. Realistcally, there won't be very many times
when all 3 of us would be there at the same time. I'm still a little
skeptical whether all 3 of us can fit, but we've set our chairs in that
area, and it seems ok, while not leaving a lot of room.
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www.beantoad.com
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"Jeremy M. Praay" <sla### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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| Please offer ([very] specific) advice. I'm new to this, and won't
| be offended. :-) I've done most of my basement by myself, and
| frankly, it shows, though I'm still somewhat proud of myself.
| Should that be moved to p.o-t?
The basement looks great in the photos.
I'll post something in p.o-t Thursday evening if not before. I can tell
you now that Formica countertop cannot be used as a building material.
It will sag under its own weight if not supported on all four sides.
Even if that were not the case, you can only screw into it a half inch.
The formica countertop will only be a cover for a frame which must be
sturdy without it.
You will need some type of leg at the L, but it can be set back far
enough to make room for a chair and knees there. Still, you won't want
to sit on the edge of this desk. I will post a detailed plan Thursday
evening which can be realized with your tools.
Do you have wood or aluminum studs in the wall?
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| Perfection is easy in POV-Ray. Imperfection is difficult.
| Real-life is the opposite. Yet in each, we try to achieve
| the other. *sigh*
Not all of us. I like POV-Ray perfection (*there's* my on-topic
statement in this post)
-Shay
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Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> Here's my actual design hashed out in Paint, as well as a picture of my
> "real" basement, though I'm not sure why I'm throwing that in.
Nice sphere, but you really should replace the carpet with a checkered
plane, since it's the first post of your basement.
Dave Matthews
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"Shay" <sah### [at] simcopartscom> wrote in message
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> "Jeremy M. Praay" <sla### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
> news:40736368@news.povray.org...
> |
> | Please offer ([very] specific) advice. I'm new to this, and won't
> | be offended. :-) I've done most of my basement by myself, and
> | frankly, it shows, though I'm still somewhat proud of myself.
> | Should that be moved to p.o-t?
>
> The basement looks great in the photos.
What you can't see is how I used too much joint compound, which resulted in
wavey walls at the dry-wall seems. No one notices, if I don't point that
out, though. That and a couple other minor things, like holes that were
just just a tad too big (or too high) for the electrical outlets. We had
someone else do the carpeting, and they did a great job. We just recently
stained the doors and added the base and door trim.
>
> I'll post something in p.o-t Thursday evening if not before. I can tell
> you now that Formica countertop cannot be used as a building material.
> It will sag under its own weight if not supported on all four sides.
> Even if that were not the case, you can only screw into it a half inch.
> The formica countertop will only be a cover for a frame which must be
> sturdy without it.
>
> You will need some type of leg at the L, but it can be set back far
> enough to make room for a chair and knees there. Still, you won't want
> to sit on the edge of this desk. I will post a detailed plan Thursday
> evening which can be realized with your tools.
Thanks! I think I'm starting to see what you mean about the frame. In
particular, the miter joint would probably be under a great amount of
stress. I don't mind buying a few more boards, if necessary. I've also
considered possibly needing addtional supports, like the edges, in the
middle. I'd just want to make sure they were not in knee range (i.e. I'd
like to keep them between the chairs).
> Do you have wood or aluminum studs in the wall?
Wood studs (2x4's), and 1/2" drywall, iirc.
ok, I'm really o-t now... :-/ ...need new group povray.tools.carpentry
;-)
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"Dave Matthews" <dma### [at] nospamnet> wrote in message
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> Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
>
> > Here's my actual design hashed out in Paint, as well as a picture of my
> > "real" basement, though I'm not sure why I'm throwing that in.
>
> Nice sphere, but you really should replace the carpet with a checkered
> plane, since it's the first post of your basement.
>
Nope, not the first time posted, but my basement scene was my first picture
ever posted here (I was "Slashdolt" back then). That was shortly after I
started working on my "Radio Graves" scene, and I was still a newbie to the
group here, but the basement scene was done a few months prior.
http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.images/thread/%3C3e3154b2%40news.povray.org%3E/?ttop=188582&toff=1450
I guess I didn't get the sphere-on-a-checkered-plane joke back then, but in
my defense, there are two spheres, and the ceiling is kind of checkered
like, and I think I used "quilted" for the floor. ;-)
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"Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecom> wrote in message
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> "Dave Matthews" <dma### [at] nospamnet> wrote in message
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> >
> > Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> >
> > > Here's my actual design hashed out in Paint, as well as a picture of
my
> > > "real" basement, though I'm not sure why I'm throwing that in.
> >
> > Nice sphere, but you really should replace the carpet with a checkered
> > plane, since it's the first post of your basement.
> >
>
Oh... You meant my "real basement." Why do I never get the joke until after
I click "Send"? sigh...
Oh well, at least I got to talk about myself, which I always seem to enjoy.
:-p
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Jeremy
www.beantoad.com
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"Jeremy M. Praay" <jer### [at] questsoftwarecom> wrote in message
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| Thanks! I think I'm starting to see what you mean about the frame.
| In particular, the miter joint would probably be under a great
| amount of stress. I don't mind buying a few more boards, if
| necessary. I've also considered possibly needing addtional
| supports, like the edges, in the middle. I'd just want to make
| sure they were not in knee range (i.e. I'd like to keep them between
| the chairs).
Depends on how much you want to spend. If you've got the scratch for a
couple sheets of 3/4" plywood, then you can support the whole thing with
angle brackets and it could *almost* double as a guest bed. This is the
way I would go. It won't be cheap, but you could be enjoying it by next
weekend.
It can be done with boards as well, but sliding keyboards would be less
convenient and the construction process would take a lot more time. Plus
you would need that center leg, though you could set it back up to
twenty inches (fourteen inches from the corner of the room).
-Shay
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Among other things, Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
> Here's my actual design hashed out in Paint, as well as a picture of my
> "real" basement, though I'm not sure why I'm throwing that in.
Is that a "real" picture? It looks like a POV rendering, especially the
lighting... I guess it goes to say how realistic some scenes are :-)
Have you tried replicating that same picture?
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light_source{9+9*x,1}camera{orthographic look_at(1-y)/4angle 30location
9/4-z*4}light_source{-9*z,1}union{box{.9-z.1+x clipped_by{plane{2+y-4*x
0}}}box{z-y-.1.1+z}box{-.1.1+x}box{.1z-.1}pigment{rgb<.8.2,1>}}//Jellby
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"Jellby" <jel### [at] M-yahoocom> wrote in message
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> Among other things, Jeremy M. Praay wrote:
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> > Here's my actual design hashed out in Paint, as well as a picture of my
> > "real" basement, though I'm not sure why I'm throwing that in.
>
> Is that a "real" picture? It looks like a POV rendering, especially the
> lighting... I guess it goes to say how realistic some scenes are :-)
Yes, even a novice can make pretty realistic scenes. Radiosity + area
lights can do wonders.
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> Have you tried replicating that same picture?
>
Not exactly like that. I actually took that picture a couple days ago, long
after my scene was already complete. I've thought that some day I might use
my basement scene as part of a "real" scene, but so far, I haven't really
thought of anything inspiring going on in my basement.
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Jeremy
www.beantoad.com
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