This is a demo picture for some sci-fi objects I created some months ago for
another image.
There are 6 buildings and 8 flying vehicles, all different, modelled in
Wings3D and converted to POV-Ray, with some uvmapping for the buildings and
a couple of cars.
I was planning to release them in the next Oyonale update but since it's
still weeks or months away, and with the current IRTC animation topic being
"classic sci-fi", I thought I might jump the gun and put them for download
now if people want to use them for the IRTC, the IMP (I'd love to see those
in an animation) or anything else.
There's no webpage for it yet, only a big zip file that contains the *.inc,
the scene itself and the maps.

>>>>> http://www.oyonale.com/ressources/downloads/scifi_demo.zip (28 Mb, 110
Mb unzipped)

G.


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Attachments:
Download 'scifi_demo.jpg' (188 KB)

Preview of image 'scifi_demo.jpg'

"Gilles Tran" <gitran_nospam_@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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   Thank you Gilles for posting such an image - I can only be inspired
further by this.

    ~Steve~



> G.

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"Gilles Tran" <gitran_nospam_@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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| I thought I might jump the gun and put them for download
| now if people want to use them for...

Yup. This is going to be HUGE!!

Excellent objects. Some standards, but some nice original designs as
well. The small-window, curvy, brutalist stuff is hella sweet.

 -Shay

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Gilles Tran wrote:
> This is a demo picture for some sci-fi objects I created some months ago for
> another image.
> There are 6 buildings and 8 flying vehicles, all different, modelled in
> Wings3D and converted to POV-Ray, with some uvmapping for the buildings and
> a couple of cars.
> I was planning to release them in the next Oyonale update but since it's
> still weeks or months away, and with the current IRTC animation topic being
> "classic sci-fi", I thought I might jump the gun and put them for download
> now if people want to use them for the IRTC, the IMP (I'd love to see those
> in an animation) or anything else.
> There's no webpage for it yet, only a big zip file that contains the *.inc,
> the scene itself and the maps.
> 
> 
>>>>>>http://www.oyonale.com/ressources/downloads/scifi_demo.zip (28 Mb, 110
> 
> Mb unzipped)
> 
> G.
> 
> 
> 

bladerunner ??

rather nice

stephen

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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:05:34 +0000, stephen parkinson
<ste### [at] zmemw16demoncouk> wrote:

>Gilles Tran wrote:
>> This is a demo picture for some sci-fi objects I created some months ago for
>> another image.
>> There are 6 buildings and 8 flying vehicles, all different, modelled in
>> Wings3D and converted to POV-Ray, with some uvmapping for the buildings and
>> a couple of cars.
>> I was planning to release them in the next Oyonale update but since it's
>> still weeks or months away, and with the current IRTC animation topic being
>> "classic sci-fi", I thought I might jump the gun and put them for download
>> now if people want to use them for the IRTC, the IMP (I'd love to see those
>> in an animation) or anything else.
>> There's no webpage for it yet, only a big zip file that contains the *.inc,
>> the scene itself and the maps.
>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>http://www.oyonale.com/ressources/downloads/scifi_demo.zip (28 Mb, 110
>> 
>> Mb unzipped)

Great.
Download is just going on (ADSL is great :-), when I first saw "Time
left: 4:35" in the Download Dialog Box I thought "Ouch, 4 and a half
hours, but this scene is it worth to wait for". I misinterpreted the
minutes :-)

>bladerunner ??

And X-Wing/Tie-Fighter?

>rather nice
>
>stephen


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Amazing as usual!

"Gilles Tran" <gitran_nospam_@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:40314abf@news.povray.org...
> This is a demo picture for some sci-fi objects I created some months ago
for
> another image.
> There are 6 buildings and 8 flying vehicles, all different, modelled in
> Wings3D and converted to POV-Ray, with some uvmapping for the buildings
and
> a couple of cars.
> I was planning to release them in the next Oyonale update but since it's
> still weeks or months away, and with the current IRTC animation topic
being
> "classic sci-fi", I thought I might jump the gun and put them for download
> now if people want to use them for the IRTC, the IMP (I'd love to see
those
> in an animation) or anything else.
> There's no webpage for it yet, only a big zip file that contains the
*.inc,
> the scene itself and the maps.
>
> >>>>> http://www.oyonale.com/ressources/downloads/scifi_demo.zip (28 Mb,
110
> Mb unzipped)
>
> G.
>
>
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"Andreas Kaiser" <aka### [at] nurfuerspamde> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 23:05:34 +0000, stephen parkinson
> <ste### [at] zmemw16demoncouk> wrote:
>
> >bladerunner ??
>
> And X-Wing/Tie-Fighter?

I'm thinkin' 5th Element.

Beeeoooootiful!

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<whimper>

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Whoa!

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(28 Mb, 110 Mb unzipped)
> 
> G.
So I guess you're not entering this in the "short code" contest?

(Fantastic work, as always!)

Dave Matthews

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Gilles Tran wrote:
> This is a demo picture for some sci-fi objects I created some months ago for
> another image.

Looks nice, the style is similar to the 'air-motorcycle' you showed some 
time ago.  I am quite surprised that the media does not cause any 
trouble - i often get artefacts in such a case if i don't choose very 
high quality (and slow) settings.

> There are 6 buildings and 8 flying vehicles, all different, modelled in
> Wings3D and converted to POV-Ray, with some uvmapping for the buildings and
> a couple of cars.

There is quite a strong contrast between the ancient buildings (no 
metal, glass etc.) and the futuristic vehicles.

Christoph

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> > >bladerunner ??
> >
> > And X-Wing/Tie-Fighter?
>
> I'm thinkin' 5th Element.

I was about to say the same. I found myself looking for Leeloo there. :-)

Jaw-dropping beautiful. But that's Gilles Tran's, so that's kinda expected.
:-)

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Wow!

I've seen a small WIP of your image some months before with a Mini Cooper
with two jet engines instead of wheels.
In addition I'm a fan of "Valerian and Laureline" comics. Volume 16 were the
antetype for the design of the "5th Element" movie IIRC
(http://eniubo.free.fr/valerian/albums/cercpouv2.jpg).
So you treated me very much especially with this image.


Thanks

Norbert Kern




"Gilles Tran" <gitran_nospam_@wanadoo.fr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:40314abf@news.povray.org...
> This is a demo picture for some sci-fi objects I created some months ago
for
> another image.
> There are 6 buildings and 8 flying vehicles, all different, modelled in
> Wings3D and converted to POV-Ray, with some uvmapping for the buildings
and
> a couple of cars.
> I was planning to release them in the next Oyonale update but since it's
> still weeks or months away, and with the current IRTC animation topic
being
> "classic sci-fi", I thought I might jump the gun and put them for download
> now if people want to use them for the IRTC, the IMP (I'd love to see
those
> in an animation) or anything else.
> There's no webpage for it yet, only a big zip file that contains the
*.inc,
> the scene itself and the maps.
>
> >>>>> http://www.oyonale.com/ressources/downloads/scifi_demo.zip (28 Mb,
110
> Mb unzipped)
>
> G.
>
>
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> **********************
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"Christoph Hormann" <chr### [at] gmxde> a écrit dans le message de
news:aat### [at] tritonimagicode...

> Looks nice, the style is similar to the 'air-motorcycle' you showed some
> time ago.

Yep, that one was a detail from the original picture. In fact the demo
reuses most of the elements of this one, with a different camera and less
objects (and no 3rd party ones of course).

> I am quite surprised that the media does not cause any
> trouble - i often get artefacts in such a case if i don't choose very
> high quality (and slow) settings.

Actually the flying things have a no_shadow to avoid artefacts. Also, in
tests I did last year with this series of images, some media effects did
cause a lot of trouble in some cases. Getting the effect right took indeed a
lot of time, and the current setup has its own limitations... but it works
in a 360° panorama.

> There is quite a strong contrast between the ancient buildings (no
> metal, glass etc.) and the futuristic vehicles.

Oh well where I live we have also futuristic vehicles and decrepit
buildings, and the original pic has a Mini Cooper ;-)
If you look at the code you'll see that the cars and buildings have a number
(3, 4 etc.) which simply mirrors my learning of Wings3d in the course of a
few weeks last summer. The last models are more "imaginative" and complex
than the first ones. In fact, the first models are only good as fillers and
background elements.

G.


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Hi Gilles,

another question:
why you use "assumed_gamma = 1;" when you actually use a value of 2.2 or so?
This was also true for each of your excellent example images for your
Maklecloud macro.

Norbert



"Gilles Tran" <gitran_nospam_@wanadoo.fr> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:40314abf@news.povray.org...
> This is a demo picture for some sci-fi objects I created some months ago
for
> another image.
> There are 6 buildings and 8 flying vehicles, all different, modelled in
> Wings3D and converted to POV-Ray, with some uvmapping for the buildings
and
> a couple of cars.
> I was planning to release them in the next Oyonale update but since it's
> still weeks or months away, and with the current IRTC animation topic
being
> "classic sci-fi", I thought I might jump the gun and put them for download
> now if people want to use them for the IRTC, the IMP (I'd love to see
those
> in an animation) or anything else.
> There's no webpage for it yet, only a big zip file that contains the
*.inc,
> the scene itself and the maps.
>
> >>>>> http://www.oyonale.com/ressources/downloads/scifi_demo.zip (28 Mb,
110
> Mb unzipped)
>
> G.
>
>
> --
> **********************
> http://www.oyonale.com
> **********************
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> - POV-Ray and Poser computer images
> - Posters
>
>
>

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"Roberto A." <wol### [at] hot-mailcom> wrote in message
news:40324ddd$1@news.povray.org...
> > > >bladerunner ??
> > >
> > > And X-Wing/Tie-Fighter?
> >
> > I'm thinkin' 5th Element.
>
> I was about to say the same. I found myself looking for Leeloo there. :-)
>
> Jaw-dropping beautiful. But that's Gilles Tran's, so that's kinda
expected.
> :-)

Wow, Gilles landed Leelo? Gilles; make sure you don't kiss her without her
permission. :-)

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"Norbert Kern" <nor### [at] t-onlinede> a écrit dans le message de
news:403256d8$1@news.povray.org...
> another question:
> why you use "assumed_gamma = 1;" when you actually use a value of 2.2 or
so?

I'm working on a laptop and I found after much trouble that the only
combination of display_gamma/assumed_gamma that worked on it was 1/1 (i.e.
the images created on the laptop aren't too dark on the CRTs I also use). It
also seems easier to tweak the lighting with these settings.
To be honest, after reading the docs over and over and reading many
discussions in these groups, I'm still unable to understand what are the
"right" gamma settings for a given computer, and the fact that the gamma
test doesn't seem to work on flat screens adds to my confusion :(

G.

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"Norbert Kern" <nor### [at] t-onlinede> a écrit dans le message de
news:40324ebc@news.povray.org...
> In addition I'm a fan of "Valerian and Laureline" comics. Volume 16 were
the
> antetype for the design of the "5th Element" movie IIRC

Well I've been brought up with Valerian comics, and also with the drawings
of Moebius, so a good deal of my visual sci-fi reference comes from them.
The 5th Element was a fanboy dream come true, as it put on screen what most
of us lovers of French sci-fi comics had taken for granted for the past 20
years but couldn't really find in US-made sci-fi movies (Blader Runner being
the exception).
Actually, the comic strip that started it all is a short story from 1976 by
Moebius and Dan O'Bannon (of Alien fame), "The Long Tomorrow", which defined
the reference frame for good number of urban sci-fi stories, comics and
movies, from Blade Runner to cyberpunk. Both Ridley Scott and William Gibson
have acknowledged the influence of these 16 pages in their own work.
http://www.brmovie.com/FAQs/BR_FAQ_BR_Influence.htm
I guess that one reason this comic isn't more famous is that it's quite
no-holds-barred about violence and pornography... O'Bannon was supposed to
turn it into a TV show some years ago but if it was done now it would seem
more cliché than groundbreaking unfortunately...

G.

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In article <403256d8$1@news.povray.org>,
 "Norbert Kern" <nor### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:

> why you use "assumed_gamma = 1;" when you actually use a value of 2.2 or so?
> This was also true for each of your excellent example images for your
> Maklecloud macro.

Hmm? You're supposed to use assumed_gamma 1 for new scenes...it only 
exists to provide a way to correctly render scenes designed without 
gamma correction.

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In article <40329903@news.povray.org>,
 "Gilles Tran" <gitran_nospam_@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> To be honest, after reading the docs over and over and reading many
> discussions in these groups, I'm still unable to understand what are the
> "right" gamma settings for a given computer, and the fact that the gamma
> test doesn't seem to work on flat screens adds to my confusion :(

assumed_gamma should be 1 for new scenes. Display_Gamma should be the 
gamma of the display your image will be viewed on. LCD displays have an 
S-shaped response curve, the power curve used to approximate the 
response of CRT displays doesn't work well at all on them, but I think 
the system usually maps it to either a CRT response curve or a linear 
(gamma 1) function. I don't have any technical references for this, it 
just seems to match the behavior I've seen.

The gamma actually used to correct things is Display_Gamma/assumed_gamma.
If assumed_gamma is 1, that is just Display_Gamma, otherwise it corrects 
the colors for a scene designed on a machine with a display gamma of 
assumed_gamma, but without any gamma correction. Maybe this will make it 
clearer:

Say you make a scene on a machine with gamma of G1. When you do this, 
the version of POV you use doesn't support gamma correction, so you just 
choose the colors to look right, essentially encoding the gamma into the 
scene itself.
Years later, you dig up the scene in some archives and render it. It was 
designed for a display with a different gamma, and doesn't turn out 
right, so you add an assumed_gamma statement with the gamma of your old 
machine. The scene now renders correctly.

New scenes should just use assumed_gamma 1, to use the display gamma of 
the machine the scene is being rendered on.

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"Christopher James Huff" <cja### [at] earthlinknet> wrote in message
news:cjameshuff-29D3EA.18365917022004@news.povray.org...
> In article <403256d8$1@news.povray.org>,
>  "Norbert Kern" <nor### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
>
> > why you use "assumed_gamma = 1;" when you actually use a value of 2.2 or so?
> > This was also true for each of your excellent example images for your
> > Maklecloud macro.
>
> Hmm? You're supposed to use assumed_gamma 1 for new scenes...it only
> exists to provide a way to correctly render scenes designed without
> gamma correction.

Then why isn't 1 the default?
maybe a stupid question, I don't really fully understand that gamma-stuff :-/

cu!
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camera{location-z*3}#macro G(b,e)b+(e-b)*(C/50)#end#macro L(b,e,k,l)#local C=0
;#while(C<50)sphere{G(b,e),.1pigment{rgb G(k,l)}finish{ambient 1}}#local C=C+1
;#end#end L(y-x,y,x,x+y)L(y,-x-y,x+y,y)L(-x-y,-y,y,y+z)L(-y,y,y+z,x+y)L(0,x+y,
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in news:4032de94$1@news.povray.org Zeger Knaepen wrote:

> Then why isn't 1 the default?
> maybe a stupid question, I don't really fully understand that
> gamma-stuff :-/ 
> 

The default is to render to an image with gamma=1 (no gamma correction), 
this means that in the resulting file the value for a 33.333% gray is at 
one-third of the maximum value (white).

If you put in assumeg_gamma = 1 it will render to a gamma as set by the 
Display-Gamma value. The before mentioned 33.333% gray wil now not have a 
value at one-third of the maximum. Yet on your monitor you will see it as 
33.333% grey.


Ingo

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in news:Xns94935ECD1E30Fseed7@news.povray.org ingo wrote:

> The before mentioned 33.333% gray wil now not have a 
> value at one-third of the maximum.

Should have added that you can easy check this by rendering images of a 5-
step grayscale. Open the images in a hex-editor and you can see the values 
written to the file. ppm format is probably what you should choose for 
output.

Ingo

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In article <4032de94$1@news.povray.org>,
 "Zeger Knaepen" <zeg### [at] studentkuleuvenacbe> wrote:

> Then why isn't 1 the default?

So you can render scenes without any gamma correction. No assumed_gamma, 
no gamma correction.

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"Christopher James Huff" <cja### [at] earthlinknet> wrote in message
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> In article <4032de94$1@news.povray.org>,
>  "Zeger Knaepen" <zeg### [at] studentkuleuvenacbe> wrote:
>
> > Then why isn't 1 the default?
>
> So you can render scenes without any gamma correction. No assumed_gamma,
> no gamma correction.

ah, excellent :)
I was wondering about that :)

tnx!

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camera{location-z*3}#macro G(b,e)b+(e-b)*(C/50)#end#macro L(b,e,k,l)#local C=0
;#while(C<50)sphere{G(b,e),.1pigment{rgb G(k,l)}finish{ambient 1}}#local C=C+1
;#end#end L(y-x,y,x,x+y)L(y,-x-y,x+y,y)L(-x-y,-y,y,y+z)L(-y,y,y+z,x+y)L(0,x+y,
<.5,1,.5>,x)L(0,x-y,<.5,1,.5>,x)               // ZK http://www.povplace.be.tf

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> > > I'm thinkin' 5th Element.
> >
> > I was about to say the same. I found myself looking for Leeloo there.
:-)
> >
> > Jaw-dropping beautiful. But that's Gilles Tran's, so that's kinda
> expected.
> > :-)
>
> Wow, Gilles landed Leelo? Gilles; make sure you don't kiss her without her
> permission. :-)

Hehehe... Big badabum! I love that movie. :-)

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This is a great gift to humanity.

There is an irony however here in that you're suggesting your files are for
the IRTC.

If say I were to to an anim about MIME Man riding around in one of those
ships,   I'd have to settle for an **TEN FRAME** animation.  It takes 1.5
hours to render 320x240 on my 2.8GHz PC.  Yes there are tricks to lower
resolution temporarily, but if one were to do an anim project of *this
quality*, there wouldn't be much opportunity to make many revisions (I was
so happy when I could do one a day) over the course of a 90-day period
unless of course one had your own render farm.

It's just an irony.  The first and second place winners for the last round
(also in my individual voting) were both very cartoony, possibly really
quick renders.

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"Roberto A." <wol### [at] hot-mailcom> wrote in message
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> > > > I'm thinkin' 5th Element.
> > >
> > > I was about to say the same. I found myself looking for Leeloo there.
> :-)
> > >
> > > Jaw-dropping beautiful. But that's Gilles Tran's, so that's kinda
> > expected.
> > > :-)
> >
> > Wow, Gilles landed Leelo? Gilles; make sure you don't kiss her without
her
> > permission. :-)
>
> Hehehe... Big badabum! I love that movie. :-)

It is sweet. My favorite line from the movie is when Zorg says into the
phone, "Are you making fun of me?" I loved the subtelty of that -- it
basically tells an entire back-story in one sentence.

Ecto gammut! :-)

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"Gilles Tran" <gitran_nospam_@wanadoo.fr> wrote in
news:40314abf@news.povray.org: 

> I thought I might jump the gun and put
> them for download now if people want to use them for the IRTC, the IMP
> (I'd love to see those in an animation) or anything else.
> 
> 

Wow!  Thanks.  I will alert the IMP members ;)


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