So, this is a hat I've made out of primitives
for the worm. I was going for those
sailor-/winter-type hats to keep his bare little
head warm.
Still this one looks too much like rubber,
and I'm also thinking that the modelling is
too... mathematical. My next go will be with
a lathe-type mesh + deformations, to see if
that'll be any better. Any other suggestions?

Regards,
Tim


-- 
Tim Nikias v2.0
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights
Email: no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de



---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01.09.2003

Post a reply to this message

Attachments:
Download 'Hat1.jpg' (7 KB)

Preview of image 'Hat1.jpg'

Tim Nikias v2.0 wrote:
>So, this is a hat I've made out of primitives
>for the worm. I was going for those
>sailor-/winter-type hats to keep his bare little
>head warm.


In the navy, this was called a Watch Cap. I think it is a good choice for
the worm. It will give him a kind of blue collar look. I like the double
brim design you have made for it.

Keep up the great work, you are one of the inspiring artists I see
supporting this community.

Tim

Post a reply to this message

Thanks for the comment! I'll see if I can keep
the double-brim design if you like it so much for
the mesh version. The mesh would have the
advantage of UV-Mapping and possibility for
displacement mapping, which is why I intend
to go that way.

And thanks for the praise! One could argue
if I'm that inspiring, I don't turn many scenes
out, but I'm especial thankful for the "supporting
this community" part. I've found that the news-
groups have always answered my questions and
helped me evolve further with my image-attempts,
and there's no reason why I shouldn't pay it
back! :-)

-- 
Tim Nikias v2.0
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights
Email: no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de


> Tim Nikias v2.0 wrote:
> >So, this is a hat I've made out of primitives
> >for the worm. I was going for those
> >sailor-/winter-type hats to keep his bare little
> >head warm.
>
>
> In the navy, this was called a Watch Cap. I think it is a good choice for
> the worm. It will give him a kind of blue collar look. I like the double
> brim design you have made for it.
>
> Keep up the great work, you are one of the inspiring artists I see
> supporting this community.
>
> Tim
>


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11.09.2003

Post a reply to this message

First is CSG, second is Mesh made with my BSplines
and Mesh-Modifying-Macros.

On the mesh, I plan to uv-map a bump-map which
looks like its stitched, if thats the word... You know,
wool and such. Made by grandma. Something like
that. If anyone has a suitable bump-map for that,
I'd like the link...

Ah well. Aside of some minor issues with the hat
and the UV-mapping, I think this'll be the final
hat for him. My brother says its a little too big,
but I think it makes the character warmer. More
of a comfy guy. :-)
Any suggestions about the color? I like the blue,
but the texture is still the plastic texture from
before. I'll work on that later.

Regards,
Tim


-- 
Tim Nikias v2.0
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights
Email: no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de



---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11.09.2003

Post a reply to this message

Attachments:
Download 'Worm_Hat_CSG.jpg' (13 KB) Download 'Worm_Hat_Mesh.jpg' (13 KB)

Preview of image 'Worm_Hat_CSG.jpg'

Preview of image 'Worm_Hat_Mesh.jpg'

"Tim Nikias v2.0" <no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de> wrote in message
news:3f689808@news.povray.org...

I think that the mesh version loses some of the blue-collar look and
replaces it with "salesman." Not sure what you're going for.

 -Shay

Post a reply to this message

Why do you think that? Is the hat too broad?
I'd rather take a mesh, as it has some advantages
for mapping and deformations (e.g. wind, though
this would only be a factor if the hat isn't too
tight around his head).
What I'm actually going for: it's supposed to be
some "regular" worm, nothing special. E.g. a
worker-worm would have one of those hard-plastic
hats. Still, the worm should be some sort of lazy
guy, not too cleanly dressed, stuff not 100% fitting,
thus the slightly too large hat.


-- 
Tim Nikias v2.0
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights
Email: no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de


>
> I think that the mesh version loses some of the blue-collar look and
> replaces it with "salesman." Not sure what you're going for.
>
>  -Shay
>
>


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 12.09.2003

Post a reply to this message

Hello Tim!

"Tim Nikias v2.0" <no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de> wrote in news:3f689808
@news.povray.org:

> First is CSG, second is Mesh made with my BSplines
> and Mesh-Modifying-Macros.

This is the one that I like the most. I do not how to say it, but I think 
the worm looks more like a cool guy with this hat. With the mesh version, 
the worm looks more like an older, more serious man, a salesman or something 
like this.

> Any suggestions about the color? I like the blue,

I'm not very good when it's time to choose color for my own models, so 
imagine for others.... But to be honnest, I like the color you choose, It 
makes a good contrast.

Nice work, it's looking good so far!

Ciao!

Mart

-- 
-+======================+-
 Martin Bélair [MAB]
 Montréal, Québec, Canada
 bad### [at] hotmailDOTcom
-+======================+-

Post a reply to this message

Thanks for the comment. Looks like I'll
have to model the mesh to resemble the
CSG-version better...

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Nikias v2.0
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights
Email: no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de


>
> Hello Tim!
>
> "Tim Nikias v2.0" <no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de> wrote in
news:3f689808
> @news.povray.org:
>
> > First is CSG, second is Mesh made with my BSplines
> > and Mesh-Modifying-Macros.
>
> This is the one that I like the most. I do not how to say it, but I think
> the worm looks more like a cool guy with this hat. With the mesh version,
> the worm looks more like an older, more serious man, a salesman or
something
> like this.
>
> > Any suggestions about the color? I like the blue,
>
> I'm not very good when it's time to choose color for my own models, so
> imagine for others.... But to be honnest, I like the color you choose, It
> makes a good contrast.
>
> Nice work, it's looking good so far!
>
> Ciao!
>
> Mart
>
> -- 
> -+======================+-
>  Martin Bélair [MAB]
>  Montréal, Québec, Canada
>  bad### [at] hotmailDOTcom
> -+======================+-


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 12.09.2003

Post a reply to this message

"Tim Nikias v2.0" wrote:
> 
> First is CSG, second is Mesh made with my BSplines
> and Mesh-Modifying-Macros.
> 
> On the mesh, I plan to uv-map a bump-map which
> looks like its stitched, if thats the word... You know,
> wool and such. Made by grandma. Something like
> that. If anyone has a suitable bump-map for that,
> I'd like the link...
> 
> Ah well. Aside of some minor issues with the hat
> and the UV-mapping, I think this'll be the final
> hat for him. My brother says its a little too big,
> but I think it makes the character warmer. More
> of a comfy guy. :-)
> Any suggestions about the color? I like the blue,
> but the texture is still the plastic texture from
> before. I'll work on that later.
> 
> Regards,
> Tim
> 

Great work. 
I like the first hat better.
Perhaps a draker blue (navy) would fit better.

Post a reply to this message

Thanks for the comment. I'll shortly post
a new mesh-hat, now more oriented towards
the CSG version.
I'll have to play with the color once I get
the imagemaps/bumpmaps done.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Nikias v2.0
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights
Email: no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de


> >
> > First is CSG, second is Mesh made with my BSplines
> > and Mesh-Modifying-Macros.
> >
> > On the mesh, I plan to uv-map a bump-map which
> > looks like its stitched, if thats the word... You know,
> > wool and such. Made by grandma. Something like
> > that. If anyone has a suitable bump-map for that,
> > I'd like the link...
> >
> > Ah well. Aside of some minor issues with the hat
> > and the UV-mapping, I think this'll be the final
> > hat for him. My brother says its a little too big,
> > but I think it makes the character warmer. More
> > of a comfy guy. :-)
> > Any suggestions about the color? I like the blue,
> > but the texture is still the plastic texture from
> > before. I'll work on that later.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tim
> >
>
> Great work.
> I like the first hat better.
> Perhaps a draker blue (navy) would fit better.


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11.09.2003

Post a reply to this message

So, here's a second version. Due to the feedback,
I've made it to bear more resemblance with the
CSG version.
I'll play with colors and finish once image- and
bumpmaps are prepared and properly applied.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Nikias v2.0
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights
Email: no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de



---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11.09.2003

Post a reply to this message

Attachments:
Download 'Hat3.jpg' (13 KB)

Preview of image 'Hat3.jpg'

Hi Tim,

I have all three on the screen at once to compare. I
think this one looks better than the last mesh version.
I prefer the smaller and taller hat.
=Bob=


"Tim Nikias v2.0" <no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de> wrote in message
news:3f69c65f@news.povray.org...
: So, here's a second version. Due to the feedback,
: I've made it to bear more resemblance with the
: CSG version.
: I'll play with colors and finish once image- and
: bumpmaps are prepared and properly applied.
:
: Regards,
: Tim

Post a reply to this message

The smaller and taller hat, that's the CSG one,
right?
In effect, what you're saying is that the latest
mesh-hat needs to be a little taller?

-- 
Tim Nikias v2.0
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights
Email: no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de


> Hi Tim,
>
> I have all three on the screen at once to compare. I
> think this one looks better than the last mesh version.
> I prefer the smaller and taller hat.
> =Bob=
>
>



---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11.09.2003

Post a reply to this message

"Tim Nikias v2.0" <no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de> wrote in message
news:3f69dc19@news.povray.org...
: The smaller and taller hat, that's the CSG one,
: right?
: In effect, what you're saying is that the latest
: mesh-hat needs to be a little taller?

I think so. Maybe not as much as the CSG one.
You might want to be able to stretch it for certain
cartoonish effects. So you wouldn't want it too
tall to start with.
=Bob=

Post a reply to this message

About stretching it for cartoonish-effects:
I'm as of yet unsure how much I do want
to apply that sort of comedy. Exagherating
expressions is one thing, deforming the
props another...
Still, thanks for the input. After all the useful
comments, I've reached the same conclusions
and have a better idea of how a hat is to
be modelled for a worm. I'll someday create
a worm-fashion! ;-)

-- 
Tim Nikias v2.0
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights
Email: no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de


> : The smaller and taller hat, that's the CSG one,
> : right?
> : In effect, what you're saying is that the latest
> : mesh-hat needs to be a little taller?
>
> I think so. Maybe not as much as the CSG one.
> You might want to be able to stretch it for certain
> cartoonish effects. So you wouldn't want it too
> tall to start with.
> =Bob=
>
>


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11.09.2003

Post a reply to this message

I think is getting very close to how I want
it to look. I'll work some more on the textures
and deformation-map, and these were
just a rough first test.
Once I've got a wrap on the Hat, I'll
see to it that the mouth gets its final finishes
(some things concerned with animating it
and such, which isn't so obvious in stills).

And I think I should begin preparing a
section for this short, to show progress
and such. (And lure visitors to my site ;-)

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Nikias v2.0
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights
Email: no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de



---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11.09.2003

Post a reply to this message

Attachments:
Download 'Hat_ib2.jpg' (21 KB)

Preview of image 'Hat_ib2.jpg'

"Tim Nikias v2.0" <no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de> wrote in message
news:3f69e2ce@news.povray.org...
: About stretching it for cartoonish-effects:
: I'm as of yet unsure how much I do want
: to apply that sort of comedy. Exagherating
: expressions is one thing, deforming the
: props another...

It all depends on how slapstick you want to get.
In animated cartoons, animators tend to put
everything to work for them, even if it's just a
little.

: Still, thanks for the input. After all the useful
: comments, I've reached the same conclusions
: and have a better idea of how a hat is to
: be modelled for a worm. I'll someday create
: a worm-fashion! ;-)

Sounds great!
=Bob=

Post a reply to this message

Very nice! That looks great. I really like the texture!
Cute as a button...
=Bob=

"Tim Nikias v2.0" <no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de> wrote in message
news:3f69e3a7@news.povray.org...
: I think is getting very close to how I want
: it to look. I'll work some more on the textures
: and deformation-map, and these were
: just a rough first test.
[deletions]

Post a reply to this message

Thanks! Finally got something right on
the first go! ;-)

I'm thinking about making the texture
a little bit smaller. Its a photo from
the fabric of a sweater of mine, but
thats not too visible. Maybe it doesn't
need to be, but I still want to try how
it looks if its more obvious...

-- 
Tim Nikias v2.0
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights
Email: no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de


> Very nice! That looks great. I really like the texture!
> Cute as a button...
> =Bob=
>
> : I think is getting very close to how I want
> : it to look. I'll work some more on the textures
> : and deformation-map, and these were
> : just a rough first test.
> [deletions]
>
>


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11.09.2003

Post a reply to this message

Now, the original texture was scaled down,
along with the deformation-map, and I
think its better. I've also made some color-
adjustments to the texture so that the
fabric is more pronounced.
The mesh for the hat is made of 16000
uv-mapped smooth-triangles which sums
to 4.7 MB. Parsing is around 20 seconds
or so, so animating it would be possible.
For really detailed close-ups, I might even
use a larger mesh...
Anyways, animating it physically correct
would be one thing, in a cartoon-like fashion
another. Actually simulating something
realistic with the hat is a no-no if I want to
(and thats what I intend to do) stick to
pure POV-Script (at least for this short).

Now, with this realistic hat, I'm thinking if
I should try to create a more realistic texture
(but no subsurface scattering) for the worm's
skin... I guess it depends on how much the
later scenery will be stylized, rather than
photorealistic. I do plan on making imagemaps
with my Digital Camera... Well, we'll see.
I guess though, in any case, that this is a warp
on the Hat.

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Nikias v2.0
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights
Email: no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de



---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 12.09.2003

Post a reply to this message

Attachments:
Download 'Hat_ib2_b.jpg' (26 KB)

Preview of image 'Hat_ib2_b.jpg'

I like it! That hat looks very nice. I see the smaller texture
makes it look less bulky too. How much stretching/warping
to the hat can you do with the mesh?
=Bob=

Post a reply to this message

Well, the hat is actually a rectangular
mesh, and for now, the inside is
hollow. Stretching/warping can be done
in all kinds of way: using the Vector-
Positions as basis, its relative position
in the rectangular array... Its actually
parsed and calculated in POV-SDL,
so its VERY flexible, cause I've got
access to everything. I could for example
animate the BSpline (my POV-SDL
implementation of Bezier-Splines) with
which I've modelled the lathe-like outline
of the mesh. UV-Mapping is done auto-
matically by my Mesh-Modifying-Macros,
so I won't get any troubles with that...

Did you have something specific in mind?

-- 
Tim Nikias v2.0
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights
Email: no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de


> I like it! That hat looks very nice. I see the smaller texture
> makes it look less bulky too. How much stretching/warping
> to the hat can you do with the mesh?
> =Bob=
>
>


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11.09.2003

Post a reply to this message

Tim Nikias v2.0 <no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de> escribió en el mensaje de
noticias 3f6a3602@news.povray.org...

Hi Tim.
Much better than the previous ones.
Now the scale and the texture look realistic.
Funny model by the way
Keep up the good work.
Bye

Txemi Jendrix
http://www.txemijendrix.com

Post a reply to this message

Actually, I was only curious because I've not
worked with meshes yet. So I was trying to
get an idea of how flexible it was and how
cartoonish you might be able to get with it.
Purely academic..
=Bob=

"Tim Nikias v2.0" <no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de> wrote in message
news:3f6abe43@news.povray.org...
: Well, the hat is actually a rectangular
: mesh, and for now, the inside is
: hollow. Stretching/warping can be done
: in all kinds of way: using the Vector-
: Positions as basis, its relative position
: in the rectangular array... Its actually
: parsed and calculated in POV-SDL,
: so its VERY flexible, cause I've got
: access to everything. I could for example
: animate the BSpline (my POV-SDL
: implementation of Bezier-Splines) with
: which I've modelled the lathe-like outline
: of the mesh. UV-Mapping is done auto-
: matically by my Mesh-Modifying-Macros,
: so I won't get any troubles with that...
:
: Did you have something specific in mind?
:
: -- 
: Tim Nikias v2.0
: Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights
: Email: no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de

Post a reply to this message

Oh, well, basically, you can stretch
meshes etc like any other object in
POV-Ray. But when you've got all
vertices at hand, you can do position-
based transformations, like only the
right side of the mesh, and gradually
turn it to non-deformed to the left,
stuff like that.


-- 
Tim Nikias v2.0
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights
Email: no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de


> Actually, I was only curious because I've not
> worked with meshes yet. So I was trying to
> get an idea of how flexible it was and how
> cartoonish you might be able to get with it.
> Purely academic..
> =Bob=
>



---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11.09.2003

Post a reply to this message

Thanks!
Yeah, the texture does look great,
knowing that its just a quick pic taken
with my digicam (where I only looked
after no shadow being on the sweater).
I'll probably get many more textures
for the short that way. Not only because
it seems an easy and fast way to get
realistic textures, but also because it
might be a useful addition to texture-
creation for photorealistic images in
my future artistic life...

Regards,
Tim

-- 
Tim Nikias v2.0
Homepage: http://www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights
Email: no_lights (@) digitaltwilight.de


>
> Hi Tim.
> Much better than the previous ones.
> Now the scale and the texture look realistic.
> Funny model by the way
> Keep up the good work.
> Bye
>
> Txemi Jendrix
> http://www.txemijendrix.com
>
>
>


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 11.09.2003

Post a reply to this message