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From: Thomas Willhalm
Subject: Re: DEM with topo overlay (1600x1200; 509 k)
Date: 20 Feb 2003 07:09:01
Message: <3e54c55d@news.povray.org>
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"Timothy R. Cook" <z993126bellsouth.net> wrote:
Nice idea!
> oddly, the topographic map doesn't match up with the
> DEM and has to be extensively compensated for distortion
> ...I got somewhat close, but not 100%
I wouldn't car about the errors too much. It already looks good as it is.
Thomas
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Tim,
Perhaps not so odd. I vaguely remember something about topo data being projected
onto a plane and DEM data following the curve of the earth. There are also a
couple of standards for representation of DEM data which differ. Maybe someone
who really knows will enlighten us.
Regards, Bill P.
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> oddly, the topographic map doesn't match up with the
> DEM and has to be extensively compensated for distortion
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From: Timothy R Cook
Subject: Re: DEM with topo overlay (1600x1200; 509 k)
Date: 20 Feb 2003 12:01:01
Message: <3e5509cd@news.povray.org>
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Thomas Willhalm wrote:
> I wouldn't car about the errors too much. It already looks good as it is.
Well...it is I think better than 99.9% match...but a DEM from the USGS
site and a topographic map made by the USGS ought to match up exactly.
Took me a while to assemble the topo from terraserver.com :P
doubtful I'll be doing the whole continental US like that...DEMs are
easy to do tho.
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From: Timothy R Cook
Subject: Re: DEM with topo overlay (1600x1200; 509 k)
Date: 20 Feb 2003 12:04:10
Message: <3e550a8a@news.povray.org>
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William F. Pokorny wrote:
> Perhaps not so odd. I vaguely remember something about topo data being projected
> onto a plane and DEM data following the curve of the earth. There are also a
> couple of standards for representation of DEM data which differ. Maybe someone
> who really knows will enlighten us.
That could be it...the topo map is, at the very least, significantly
taller than the matching DEM data...and once stretched to fit, there's
some minor distortions...at the Death Valley lattitude; have no idea
what the northernmost quadrangles'll look like.
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Very cool. Makes me think of lord of the rings! :)
--
Tek
http://www.evilsuperbrain.com
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On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:01:01 -0500, "Timothy R. Cook"
<z993126bellsouth.net> said:
>Thomas Willhalm wrote:
>> I wouldn't car about the errors too much. It already looks good as it is.
>
>Well...it is I think better than 99.9% match...but a DEM from the USGS
>site and a topographic map made by the USGS ought to match up exactly.
I wouldn't expect them to match up. I would, however, expect them to
be skewed along the north-south direction. It's a orthorectification
and projection issue. The DEM is probably projected in UTM and the
topographic quadrangle is normally projected in state plane coordinate
system. The state plane coordinate system would be skewed the further
north the map is located. Part of the orthorectification problem is
that they are made by two different independent departments within the
USGS organization that don't talk to each other (and in fact there is
a bit of a feud between them).
Another common pitfall is that you may be assuming the post distances
of the DEM are equidistant along both axes when in fact one axis may
have slightly different spacing than the other.
BTW, This could be easily fixed in about 5 minutes in a GIS software
package such as ERDAS/Imagine.
---
Bob Chmilnitzky (a.k.a. Jet Jaguar)
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From: Timothy R Cook
Subject: Re: DEM with topo overlay (1600x1200; 509 k)
Date: 20 Feb 2003 20:37:11
Message: <3e5582c7@news.povray.org>
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Jet Jaguar wrote:
> BTW, This could be easily fixed in about 5 minutes in a GIS software
> package such as ERDAS/Imagine.
a) which version of Imagine, they have like 60 of 'em
b) they want money for 'em :o
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From: Thomas Willhalm
Subject: Re: DEM with topo overlay (1600x1200; 509 k)
Date: 21 Feb 2003 03:23:15
Message: <3e55e1f2@news.povray.org>
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"Timothy R. Cook" <z993126bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Jet Jaguar wrote:
>> BTW, This could be easily fixed in about 5 minutes in a GIS software
>> package such as ERDAS/Imagine.
>
> a) which version of Imagine, they have like 60 of 'em
> b) they want money for 'em :o
Did you have a look at GRASS (http://grass.itc.it/) ?. Seems like it's
very powerful. However, it's not easy to use and I have used only
very few of the features. (Mainly, I converted some files from one
format to some other.) Furthermore, seems like you're using Windows
and Windows version is labelled "experimental".
Thomas
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Wow!
This is very good!
Mabe the map's the one that is less acurate no?
Since the DEM data is gathered throug satelite and the map is made via
measurementes on the ground (I think) mabe that's why they don't fit
exacly.
But it's still a nice pic and a very interesting one :)
Best regards.
P.S. Not a sandbox anymore eh? ;D
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>I wouldn't expect them to match up. I would, however, expect them to
>be skewed along the north-south direction. It's a orthorectification
>and projection issue. The DEM is probably projected in UTM and the
>topographic quadrangle is normally projected in state plane coordinate
>system. The state plane coordinate system would be skewed the further
>north the map is located. Part of the orthorectification problem is
>that they are made by two different independent departments within the
>USGS organization that don't talk to each other (and in fact there is
>a bit of a feud between them).
>
>
I don't know about the DEM, but I know for a fact that the Topo from
TerraServer is UTM. I deal with the topos and the aerial photography
almost on a daily basis.
Tom
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