One more WIP (hope the last): I changed the sunligh color, the interior 
light placement, the hf-wall pattern, and the barrel. The window woods 
where replaced by isosurfaces, and screws were added. Some metals are a bit 
less reflective. Oh! ...and the radiosity settings have a bit more of 
quality. 

  I'm interested about your opinion on the new light placement. The 
sunlight from the window seems nicely placed, but I can't decide about the 
interior incandescent: in this scene it is at the left, more or less 
perpendicular to the sun, but on the prior WIP it was at the right, much 
more opposed to the sunlight. What do you think?

-- 
Jaime Vives Piqueres

La Persistencia de la Ignorancia
http://www.ignorancia.org

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Everything looks great except the barrel.  Something about it looks flat.
I especially like the texture on the scale.

-tgq

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I just noticed I posted my response 4 minutes before you posted the image.
Must've become unstuck in time again.

-tgq

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On Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:42:23 -0400, "TinCanMan" <Tin### [at] hotmailcom>
wrote:
> Everything looks great except the barrel.  Something about it looks flat.
> I especially like the texture on the scale.

I agree with this opinion.

ABX

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TinCanMan wrote:
> Everything looks great except the barrel.  Something about it looks flat.
> I especially like the texture on the scale.
> 
> -tgq
> 
> 

Yes, I think the shadows are too "long", falling too far down
the wood. Is it a light shining down from the ceiling?

-hdf-

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Yep... the barrel is flat. Even the lower hoop doesn't give it any bulge.
Both the hoops seem to be painted on.

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> Yes, I think the shadows are too "long", falling too far down
> the wood. Is it a light shining down from the ceiling?

I think that is intended to be colour leaching from the rings due to rain,
but it does look like shadows.

-tgq

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> Both the hoops seem to be painted on.

This is what I first noticed, too. Give the metal hoops some thickness.

Also, shouldn't the barrel be made of multiple vertical boards?

 - Slime
[ http://www.slimeland.com/ ]

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I like the wall much, much more now, and the wicker basket seems to have 
more form.  Perhaps the apples lost just a touch of volumn? Very slight 
if so. ( There is an odd moment, compositionally, where the shadow 
falling across an apple on top is coincident with the hoop of the barrel 
behind ).

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Render at print resolution, send to magazines, get some publicity.

-p
-- 
Texturing Monk:
"Ballet pour ma fille."
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Hi,

I agree -- the barrel is flat. Probably it's due to its
'cone+cylinder+cone'-construction. You should use a lathe-
or SOR-object to give it a rounded outline. This also would
make the borders between the planks round, whitch should
increase the 3d-perception. To make these borders (yes!, I
can see them, but barely) more clearly visible, I suggest to
make the planks more different by varying their texture
(color, turbulence, scale).
The upper hoop looks rectangular, because the camera sits in
its plane. This contributes to the flatness.
The hoops should be slightly conical (tangent to the curved
outline) and have some thickness.
I also do not understand the dark shadows(?) below the hoops.
No details are visible in the lower right part of the barrel.
Of course it must be rather dark, but is it neccesary to make
it SO dark?
The window seems a little simplistic, compared to the
elaborate other objects in your scene: only a uniform yellow
and some dark lines. Or will higher resolution bring out more
detail?
The weights look like beeing painted with a transparent green;
I would expect more yellow, perhaps a little brown.

Everything else: GREAT! Mmmmmh, these apples -- have you ever
thought of slicing up or biting them? Let us see that in your
next masterpiece!

Oh, you really think you can *ever* get a _final_ picture?!

Awaiting the 'final' version (and then the second 'final'
version, and then ...)

    Sputnik

Frank 'Sputnik' Rothfuß
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Well, seems we all agree the barrel looks flat... :) And the colour 
leaching under the hoops looks like a shadow... yes, I now notice it! Also 
the distinction between the different boards is not much visible, I agree. 
So, I will focus on the barrel to finish at last that scene... (well, I 
will add the basket handless too!).

  Thanks to everyone!


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Jaime Vives Piqueres

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Frank 'Sputnik' Rothfuß wrote:
> I agree -- the barrel is flat. Probably it's due to its
> 'cone+cylinder+cone'-construction. 

  Nope, it's a scaled spherical mesh (well, actually only a quarter). 

> make the planks more different by varying their texture
> (color, turbulence, scale).

  I've used this technique, but perhaps with not enough variation...

> The upper hoop looks rectangular, because the camera sits in
> its plane. This contributes to the flatness.

  I think this is perhaps the main reason for the barrel to look flat. I 
will try a different camera...

> Of course it must be rather dark, but is it neccesary to make
> it SO dark?

  No, it's a side effect of the "leaching" layer, done with gradient. I 
will replace it with a function based on y.

> The window seems a little simplistic, compared to the
> elaborate other objects in your scene: only a uniform yellow
> and some dark lines. Or will higher resolution bring out more
> detail?

  Yes, wait for final render: it's actually an very nice isosurface.

> The weights look like beeing painted with a transparent green;
> I would expect more yellow, perhaps a little brown.

  Yes, perhaps I've reduced the reflection too much, then it shows 
excesively the standard Bronze pigment from colors.inc.

> have you ever thought of slicing up or biting them? Let us see that in 
> your next masterpiece!
 
  :) They consist only on the skin! But as they are blobs, perhaps I can do 
someday the interior and make such "slice scene"... nice idea.

> Oh, you really think you can *ever* get a _final_ picture?!

  No, but I will be too bored with it in some days... ;)
 
  Oh, and thanks for the elaborated comments!

-- 
Jaime Vives Piqueres

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Dearmad wrote:

> Render at print resolution, send to magazines, get some publicity.

  How? And expend precious time needed to create new scenes? Never!!! ;)

-- 
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"Jaime Vives Piqueres" <jai### [at] ignoranciaorg> wrote in message
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>
>   Well, seems we all agree the barrel looks flat... :) And the colour
> leaching under the hoops looks like a shadow... yes, I now notice it! Also

For the leaching, you could try a trick I've used before.   Use a y gradient
like you are but turbulate it and scale it in the y direction.  That way you
get a bit of variation in the amount of leaching and get a bit more
streaking effect.

-tgq

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TinCanMan wrote:

> For the leaching, you could try a trick I've used before.   Use a y
> gradient
> like you are but turbulate it and scale it in the y direction.  That way
> you get a bit of variation in the amount of leaching and get a bit more
> streaking effect.

  Yeah, but then it shows also on top of the hoops... I must use perhaps a 
function of y instead gradient, with a layer for each hoop instead trying 
the repetitions to match the distance between hoops.

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"Jaime Vives Piqueres" <jai### [at] ignoranciaorg> wrote in message
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> TinCanMan wrote:
>
> > For the leaching, you could try a trick I've used before.   Use a y
> > gradient
> > like you are but turbulate it and scale it in the y direction.  That way
> > you get a bit of variation in the amount of leaching and get a bit more
> > streaking effect.
>
>   Yeah, but then it shows also on top of the hoops... I must use perhaps a
> function of y instead gradient, with a layer for each hoop instead trying
> the repetitions to match the distance between hoops.


You should be able to work out a pattern to make this work without showing
on the top of the hoops.
Try using a repeat warp perhaps.
-tgq

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This is one of the most excellent pictures in terms of "how realistic" it
looks.
Someone may see it and ask you for how much some of these apples cost.

--Theo
PS: I could only catch up by taking my camera and going downstairs on the
market where the real apples are .. hehehe
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"Jaime Vives Piqueres" <jai### [at] ignoranciaorg> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>
>   One more WIP (hope the last): I changed the sunligh color, the interior
> light placement, the hf-wall pattern, and the barrel. The window woods
> where replaced by isosurfaces, and screws were added. Some metals are a
bit
> less reflective. Oh! ...and the radiosity settings have a bit more of
> quality.
>
>   I'm interested about your opinion on the new light placement. The
> sunlight from the window seems nicely placed, but I can't decide about the
> interior incandescent: in this scene it is at the left, more or less
> perpendicular to the sun, but on the prior WIP it was at the right, much
> more opposed to the sunlight. What do you think?
>
> --
> Jaime Vives Piqueres
>
> La Persistencia de la Ignorancia
> http://www.ignorancia.org

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Jaime Vives Piqueres <jai### [at] ignoranciaorg> escribió en el mensaje de
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>   I'm interested about your opinion on the new light placement. The
> sunlight from the window seems nicely placed, but I can't decide about the
> interior incandescent: in this scene it is at the left, more or less
> perpendicular to the sun, but on the prior WIP it was at the right, much
> more opposed to the sunlight. What do you think?

Hi Jaime, nice to see you (I've been unplugged the last 2 weeks of holidays)
I see you've been busy all this time.
I agree with the others about the barrel. It really seems as a
cone-cylinder-cone,
and the dirt looks more like shadows.
Talking 'bout lightning, with the new one the apples on the desk look
better,
and also the wheights.
I think the table looks better in the old one (specially the right down
corner
where you can see the barrel).
The general color given by the lights is what I find cold. OK, I suppose
it's due
to the blue wall (much better the new one) and the green-bronze wheights (I
think in RL are more golden than green), but I find it too blue. Maybe that
is
what you are looking for or maybe it's my monitor.
The scale is simply perfect. The modelling and texturing is a masterpiece.
Put the basket handless and work in the barrel and then send the image
to a professional's competition and WIN.
Once I made a barrel. The texture is not a good work though the modelling
seems right. You can get it at my site for ideas or inspiration.

PS: I saw you finally enter the IRTC, great radiosity work.

Bye. All the best.

Txemi Jendrix
tji### [at] txemijendrixcom
http://www.txemijendrix.com

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