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From: JRG
Subject: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 29 Mar 2002 12:51:44
Message: <3ca4a9b0@news.povray.org>
I'm trying to get the lighting right for my kitchen scene. This is an early test
render.
No lights were used, just pure radiosity. I couldn't use better settings for lack of
memory.
Render time (with MUCH swapping): about 7 hours.
The grainess of the red cupboard was enhanced by the jpeg compression.
I will probably use a warmer light for the final scene.

Cheers,

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From: Rick [Kitty5]
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.) - AWSOME ROLEX
Date: 29 Mar 2002 13:03:14
Message: <3ca4ac62$1@news.povray.org>
enough said


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From: John Robinson
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 29 Mar 2002 13:11:35
Message: <3ca4ae57$1@news.povray.org>
"JRG" <jrg### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:3ca4a9b0@news.povray.org...
> I'm trying to get the lighting right for my kitchen scene. This is an
early test
> render.
> No lights were used, just pure radiosity. I couldn't use better settings
for lack of
> memory.
> Render time (with MUCH swapping): about 7 hours.
> The grainess of the red cupboard was enhanced by the jpeg compression.
> I will probably use a warmer light for the final scene.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Jonathan.
>
> Home: http://digilander.iol.it/jrgpov
>

well done.  good sense of realism here.  you could increase max trace level
maybe to get rid of blackness around the glass.  of course it wouldnt
exactly help your render time.
and just swap the wine for a bottle of the finest macallan scotch whisky. oh
aye :)

john


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From: Jan Walzer
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 29 Mar 2002 13:18:46
Message: <3ca4b006@news.povray.org>
Photo, Photo !!!


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From: Marc Jacquier
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 29 Mar 2002 13:27:51
Message: <3ca4b227$1@news.povray.org>
Hey!
Early test?
Stop humiliate us :)
Marc


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From: Marc Jacquier
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 29 Mar 2002 13:33:22
Message: <3ca4b372$1@news.povray.org>
"John Robinson" <jro### [at] columbusrrcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
3ca4ae57$1@news.povray.org...
>
> and just swap the wine for a bottle of the finest macallan scotch whisky.
oh
> aye :)
>
> john
>
Hey a good wine isn't so bad and if a whisky why not a Laphroaig? :c)
Marc


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From: Skip Talbot
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 29 Mar 2002 15:18:19
Message: <3ca4cc0b@news.povray.org>
I'd frame that and hang it on my wall

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From: ingo
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 29 Mar 2002 15:20:15
Message: <Xns91E0D972CF4B2seed7@povray.org>
in news:3ca4a9b0@news.povray.org JRG wrote:

> This is an early test render.

Looks very good,
although it is a test run a few minor comments, the finish of the red 
stuff on the top of the wine bottle doesn't look good, too dull. The 
cork is too bright, unless it's one of those cork faking plastic corks. 
The colors on the wine bottels lable look a bit washed out, as if a 
gamma correction is applied twice. It's not in harmony with the rest of 
the scene. For the wine glass have you scaled the wine smaller than the 
glass? If so, try scale it a bit bigger than the glass, it may look more 
natural.
Couldn't resist what I usually do with photos, cover parts of them with 
white paper to change / improve compostition. Result, cropped the image 
to about 510X670 counting from the top right hand side. It chops of the 
top of the bottle on its side and brings the left hand side of the wine 
bottle to about 1/3 of the image.

Ingo


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From: Hugo
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 29 Mar 2002 16:47:16
Message: <3ca4e0e4@news.povray.org>
Great setup!  :o)  But two questions I have:  How could you render this so
quickly when there is blurred reflection and glass in the scene? I thought
it would be impossible. And how much memory is in your computer?

I think the light from the window is from a cloudy day. Because it's not
possible to have sunlight and pure radiosity - it will lack specular
highlights... Am I right?

Best regards,
Hugo


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From: Peter Popov
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 29 Mar 2002 17:27:39
Message: <blp9au432vqhrhjeisv6egffo5f22uh3i7@4ax.com>
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:34:30 +0100, "Marc Jacquier"
<jac### [at] wanadoofr> wrote:

>Hey a good wine isn't so bad and if a whisky why not a Laphroaig? :c)

Aye! Aye! Where? Where?

The one time I had a Laphroaig, it was the best whiskey I've ever
had!!! I haven't ever seen it sold here, but if I ever do, I'll get a
bottle for the finest moments in life, even if it takes saving for a
month.


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From: JRG
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.) - AWSOME ROLEX
Date: 29 Mar 2002 20:01:21
Message: <3ca50e61@news.povray.org>
Wow. My first awsum rollex...

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"Rick [Kitty5]" <ric### [at] kitty5com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> enough said
>
>
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>
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From: JRG
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 29 Mar 2002 20:05:27
Message: <3ca50f57@news.povray.org>
"John Robinson" wrote:
> well done.  good sense of realism here.

Thank you.

>you could increase max trace level
> maybe to get rid of blackness around the glass.  of course it wouldnt
> exactly help your render time.

Actually that blackness is caused by radiosity. I find max_trace_level 20 adequate
for this scene.

> and just swap the wine for a bottle of the finest macallan scotch whisky. oh
> aye :)

De gustibus non est disputandum...
;)

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From: JRG
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 29 Mar 2002 20:06:27
Message: <3ca50f93@news.povray.org>
Aw, come on...

Anyway, thanks!

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"Jan Walzer" <jan### [at] lzernet> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:3ca4b006@news.povray.org...
> Photo, Photo !!!
>
>
>


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From: JRG
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 29 Mar 2002 20:09:35
Message: <3ca5104f@news.povray.org>
"Marc Jacquier" wrote:
> Hey!
> Early test?
> Stop humiliate us :)
> Marc

Nah. You've got to be kidding. Thank you anyway. :-)

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From: JRG
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 29 Mar 2002 20:09:55
Message: <3ca51063$1@news.povray.org>
Thanks!

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"Skip Talbot" <sta### [at] uiucedu> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:3ca4cc0b@news.povray.org...
> I'd frame that and hang it on my wall
>
> --
>
>
>
> Skip
>
>


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From: JRG
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 29 Mar 2002 20:25:04
Message: <3ca513f0@news.povray.org>
"ingo" <ing### [at] homenl> wrote:
> Looks very good,

Thank you.

> although it is a test run a few minor comments, the finish of the red
> stuff on the top of the wine bottle doesn't look good, too dull.

Yeah. It looked good with lights and highlights.

>The
> cork is too bright, unless it's one of those cork faking plastic corks.
> The colors on the wine bottels lable look a bit washed out, as if a
> gamma correction is applied twice. It's not in harmony with the rest of
> the scene.

I will de-correct (sp?) the original map.

> For the wine glass have you scaled the wine smaller than the
> glass? If so, try scale it a bit bigger than the glass, it may look more
> natural.

Yes. It's just a bit smaller than the glass. Does it look wrong?

> Couldn't resist what I usually do with photos, cover parts of them with
> white paper to change / improve compostition. Result, cropped the image
> to about 510X670 counting from the top right hand side. It chops of the
> top of the bottle on its side and brings the left hand side of the wine
> bottle to about 1/3 of the image.

This didn't mean to be a good composition. I just put together some of the objects
modelled to see how they looked with these specific light conditions.


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From: JRG
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 29 Mar 2002 20:35:26
Message: <3ca5165e$1@news.povray.org>
"Hugo" wrote:
> Great setup!  :o)

Thanks!

> But two questions I have:  How could you render this so
> quickly when there is blurred reflection and glass in the scene?

Huh, I don't know...

> I thought
> it would be impossible. And how much memory is in your computer?

Not much, too bad. Peak memory used: 126 MB. Memory available at the moment: only 128
MB. I will buy some more RAM next week.

> I think the light from the window is from a cloudy day. Because it's not
> possible to have sunlight and pure radiosity - it will lack specular
> highlights... Am I right?

Yes and no. You are right that it must be a cloudy day (or a cloud is temporarily
covering the sun). But that does not imply a lack of highlights: the sky is still
much brighter than anything around.

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From: Jide
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.) - AWSOME ROLEX
Date: 30 Mar 2002 00:07:16
Message: <3ca54804@news.povray.org>
JRG wrote:
> Wow. My first awsum rollex...
>
> --
> Jonathan.

Even though it might be your first AWESOME ROLEX said. It has many times
been quite evident you have #declare AWESOME_ROLEX=On in your scenes ;)

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From: George Pantazopoulos
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 30 Mar 2002 00:31:54
Message: <3ca54dca$1@news.povray.org>
Jonathan,
    Incredible pic, you obviously put a lot of effort and care into your
work. I can only hope to get as good as you are! Would you please let me
know what you use for a modeler (if you use one), and any other relevant
details for this pic?

Thanks,
George Pantazopoulos


"JRG" <jrg### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:3ca4a9b0@news.povray.org...
> I'm trying to get the lighting right for my kitchen scene. This is an
early test
> render.
> No lights were used, just pure radiosity. I couldn't use better settings
for lack of
> memory.
> Render time (with MUCH swapping): about 7 hours.
> The grainess of the red cupboard was enhanced by the jpeg compression.
> I will probably use a warmer light for the final scene.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Jonathan.
>
> Home: http://digilander.iol.it/jrgpov
>
>
>
>


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From: JRG
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 30 Mar 2002 08:00:15
Message: <3ca5b6df$1@news.povray.org>
"George Pantazopoulos" wrote:
> Jonathan,
>     Incredible pic, you obviously put a lot of effort and care into your
> work. I can only hope to get as good as you are!

Thank you very much!

> Would you please let me
> know what you use for a modeler (if you use one), and any other relevant
> details for this pic?
>
> Thanks,
> George Pantazopoulos

I normally do not use any modeller. If I have to, I go with Hamapatch.
There's not much to say about this scene:

-the ouzo bottle is simple CSG.
-the wine glass is a lathe object.
-the corkscrew is CSG+blob+isosurface.
-the body of the pepper jar was modelled in Hamapatch. The cap is CSG.

About the lighting: I indeed cheated here... but the trick isn't hidden that much.
You can figure it out yourself... ;-)

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From: ingo
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 30 Mar 2002 08:36:28
Message: <Xns91E194FE17C9Cseed7@povray.org>
in news:3ca513f0@news.povray.org JRG wrote:

> Yes. It's just a bit smaller than the glass. Does it look wrong?
> 

The glass looks thicker than it probaly is, this is due too the air 
between glass and wine. There are internal refelections in that air gap. 
Scaling the wine bigger than the glass removes this phenomena.

Ingo


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From: Steve
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 30 Mar 2002 20:01:22
Message: <slrnaacnbi.29c.steve@zero-pps.localdomain>
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:50:04 +0100, JRG wrote:
> I'm trying to get the lighting right for my kitchen scene. This is an early test
> render.
> No lights were used, just pure radiosity. I couldn't use better settings for lack of
> memory.
> Render time (with MUCH swapping): about 7 hours.
> The grainess of the red cupboard was enhanced by the jpeg compression.
> I will probably use a warmer light for the final scene.

Looks excelent, but the wine glass looks asthoug it's got a refletcive 
coating on it just like the wine bottel.  This reflectiveness looks ok
on the bottel but not so much on the glass. 

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From: GrimDude
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 30 Mar 2002 23:16:17
Message: <3ca68d91$1@news.povray.org>
Source, source, source!

I've got tons of RAM and plenty of time to render! :)

Very nice work, sir.

Grim


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From: Shay
Subject: Re: Radiosity test (~110 KB.)
Date: 1 Apr 2002 10:21:23
Message: <3ca87af3$1@news.povray.org>
Your usual quality. Very nice pic.

 -Shay
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