Hi!

After some time, I'm at another image. I would like to hear some comments
about it.
The watertexture is mostly by Christoph Hormann, the serpent's head is part
of a poser dragon I downloaded sometimes somewhere and that guy in the front
is obviously a poser man, too.

I rendered this in Megapov 0.6a, 'cause the changes in the isosurface-syntax
kept me from using the ship model in the beta versions of 3.5. I started to
convert it to the new syntax, but than it was changed again. Now I'll wait
until the final version.

I already made some changes to guy in the foreground (rotated him to hide
the right arm, changed eyebrow and lip color).

Should I lower the camera to break the waterline with the mans head?

This image took about 5h to trace on my PII 450.

Greetings,

Marc-Hendrik

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"Marc-Hendrik Bremer" <Mar### [at] t-onlinede> wrote in message
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> Should I lower the camera to break the waterline with the mans head?
>
I think so, yes.

Nice work. That serpent texture would be very good for a fiery red dragon  =)



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"Nekar Xenos" <jpr### [at] citywalkcoza> wrote in message
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>
> "Marc-Hendrik Bremer" <Mar### [at] t-onlinede> wrote in message
> news:3c6b6f4c@news.povray.org...
>
> > Should I lower the camera to break the waterline with the mans head?

No

The man is too dry - make him wet, the water would reflect the red serpent especially
on his hair.

Mick

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excellent - the serpent needs to be a bit more randomly coiled, and some
huge splashes wouldn't go amiss :)


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Marc-Hendrik Bremer wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> After some time, I'm at another image. I would like to hear some comments
> about it.
> The watertexture is mostly by Christoph Hormann, the serpent's head is part
> of a poser dragon I downloaded sometimes somewhere and that guy in the front
> is obviously a poser man, too.
> 

Nice composition, but i don't like the water. ;-)

It looks too bright and the reflections somehow don't look right i think. 
I'm also missing transparency.

Christoph

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On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:02:37 +0100, "Marc-Hendrik Bremer"
<Mar### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:

>I already made some changes to guy in the foreground (rotated him to hide
>the right arm, changed eyebrow and lip color).

Lips are too bright red for the situation, methinks. Should be pale
and more towards purple, and the comlpexion should verge on whitish
wax color. That's all IMHO, of course.


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Swim, Pee-Wee Herman. Swim for your life.

Seriously, nice pic. Since the ship looks much better than the serpent,
perhaps finding an arrangement that shows more of the ship and less of the
serpent would make the picture better.

 -Shay


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I find very strange the fact that the ship and the serpent seem to be in the
horizon. I think that one would expect, by the size of the boat, to be
closer than the horizon.

Otherwise, very good job with the ship and the serpent of the sea!

Fernando.

"Marc-Hendrik Bremer" <Mar### [at] t-onlinede> wrote in message
news:3c6b6f4c@news.povray.org...
> Hi!
>
> After some time, I'm at another image. I would like to hear some comments
> about it.
> The watertexture is mostly by Christoph Hormann, the serpent's head is
part
> of a poser dragon I downloaded sometimes somewhere and that guy in the
front
> is obviously a poser man, too.
>
> I rendered this in Megapov 0.6a, 'cause the changes in the
isosurface-syntax
> kept me from using the ship model in the beta versions of 3.5. I started
to
> convert it to the new syntax, but than it was changed again. Now I'll wait
> until the final version.
>
> I already made some changes to guy in the foreground (rotated him to hide
> the right arm, changed eyebrow and lip color).
>
> Should I lower the camera to break the waterline with the mans head?
>
> This image took about 5h to trace on my PII 450.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Marc-Hendrik
>
>
>

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Nice image!

I wonder how comfortable a fire serpent would be in water....

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Looks like a very low camera angle.  Judging for the person in the water,
the camera is probably only two or three feet off the surface which is why
the boat and monster appear on the horizon.  This is a fantastic scene.  It
has a true sense of terror about it.

Skip

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Richard Dault schrieb in Nachricht <3c6bfaaa$1@news.povray.org>...
>Nice image!
>
Thanks!

>I wonder how comfortable a fire serpent would be in water....


Well ... I don't know. It's a very strange concept, isn't it?

Marc-Hendrik

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Skip Talbot schrieb in Nachricht <3c6bfb0a$1@news.povray.org>...
>Looks like a very low camera angle.  Judging for the person in the water,
>the camera is probably only two or three feet off the surface which is why
>the boat and monster appear on the horizon.

Yes, 30 centimenter.

>This is a fantastic scene.  It has a true sense of terror about it.


Thanks! The scene developed out of some "contest" in a game I'm playing. The
gamemaster wants to make some encyclopaedia of the flora and fauna if the
world we are playing in. This is an illustration for it.

Marc-Hendrik

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Fernando González del Cueto schrieb in Nachricht
<3c6bf949@news.povray.org>...
>I find very strange the fact that the ship and the serpent seem to be in
the
>horizon. I think that one would expect, by the size of the boat, to be
>closer than the horizon.
>

Scaling seems to be one of the chalenges in most of my scenes. Skip is
right, the camera is really only some 30 centimeter above the waterlevel.
That's why I considered to lower the camera even more. With direct
comparison between the mans head and the ship/serpent, in addition with the
fog-effect, things might be clearer. But it doesn't help that much

>Otherwise, very good job with the ship and the serpent of the sea!


Thanks!

Marc-Hendrik

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Shay schrieb in Nachricht <3c6be22e$1@news.povray.org>...
>Swim, Pee-Wee Herman. Swim for your life.
>
>Seriously, nice pic. Since the ship looks much better than the serpent,
>perhaps finding an arrangement that shows more of the ship and less of the
>serpent would make the picture better.
>


He, this one is called "serpent of the sea" (oops another mistake in one of
my subject lines :-})! If you want the nice ship have a look at
http://marc-hendrik.bremer.bei.t-online.de/bilder/Schiff1024x768.jpg (173
kb).
Actually, the longer I work with the model the more I notice all the
mistakes I made in it. Things don't fit together and such. I think I'll fix
all that when I port it to v3.5 - perhaps.

Marc-Hendrik

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Peter Popov schrieb in Nachricht ...
>On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 09:02:37 +0100, "Marc-Hendrik Bremer"
><Mar### [at] t-onlinede> wrote:
>
>>I already made some changes to guy in the foreground (rotated him to hide
>>the right arm, changed eyebrow and lip color).
>
>Lips are too bright red for the situation, methinks. Should be pale
>and more towards purple, and the comlpexion should verge on whitish
>wax color. That's all IMHO, of course.
>


Well, I changed it to some pale pink atm. That fits quite well. That man
will never look realistic IMO.

Marc-Hendrik

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Christoph Hormann schrieb in Nachricht <3C6BBAED.1656F95A@gmx.de>...
>
>Nice composition, but i don't like the water. ;-)
>
>It looks too bright and the reflections somehow don't look right i think.
>I'm also missing transparency.

I had another look at your web side, but using more transparency seems to
make it even slower. It seems there was a normal left over from the last
render with this water. I'm running a render without it at the moment.

Water is definitely a very difficult thing to make realistic and it changes
from environment to environment. Couldn't you be so kind and make some
water.inc with lots of different waters predefined? Would help me a lot and
there is still lots of fun poving without having to wait for just another
watertest scene to finish. :-)

Thanks,

Marc-Hendrik

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Rick [Kitty5] schrieb in Nachricht <3c6ba938$1@news.povray.org>...
>excellent - the serpent needs to be a bit more randomly coiled, and some
>huge splashes wouldn't go amiss :)


Thanks!
Splashes, yes. I think about it. Can't imagine a good way to implement them
without a particle system or lot's of fine tuning. Don't know if they are
worth the effort - that ship is supposed to be some hundred meters away.

Marc-Hendrik

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Mick Hazelgrove schrieb in Nachricht <3c6b8128@news.povray.org>...
>> > Should I lower the camera to break the waterline with the mans head?
>
>No


Yep, for now I'll leave it the way it is. Maybe the lower camera position
would increase the sense of depth in this scene, but it loses a bit of the
desperate feeling IMO.

>The man is too dry - make him wet, the water would reflect the red serpent
especially on >his hair.

I really would like to achieve what you suggest, but I can't get it to work.
I added reflection (even variable reflection) and specular highlights to the
skin and hair, but it looks dry anyway. Once he looked like Data from
StarTrek, 'cause his skin went pale from the reflections. Do you have some
example for wet objects?

Marc-Hendrik

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Nekar Xenos schrieb in Nachricht <3c6b7c5c@news.povray.org>...
>
>"Marc-Hendrik Bremer" <Mar### [at] t-onlinede> wrote in message
>news:3c6b6f4c@news.povray.org...
>
>> Should I lower the camera to break the waterline with the mans head?
>>
>I think so, yes.

I tried it, but it did not add much to the picture. I'll leave it the way it
is for now.

>
>Nice work. That serpent texture would be very good for a fiery red dragon
=)
>


Thanks. The texture is just
pigment{wrinkles
          pigment_map{
          [0.5 crackle color_map{ [0 rgb <0.8,0,0>]
                                                    [1 rgb <3,0,0>]
                                 }]
          [0.9 rgb <1,1,0>*3]}
    }
normal {crackle 0.9 }

and another sphere_sweep with emitting media
density {
              wrinkles
                  color_map {
                           [0.0 color rgb <0.0, 0.0, 0.0>]
                           [0.5 color rgb <1, 0.3, 0.0>/1.5]
                           [1.0 color rgb <1.0, 0.5, 0.0>/1.3]
                   }
                   turbulence 1.2
                   frequency 2
                   scale <.9,0.9,0.9>*10
               } }

Quite fast.

Marc-Hendrik

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<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hi!
<p>After some time, I'm at another image. I would like to hear some comments
<br>about it.
<br>The watertexture is mostly by Christoph Hormann, the serpent's head
is part
<br>of a poser dragon I downloaded sometimes somewhere and that guy in
the front
<br>is obviously a poser man, too.</blockquote>
The ship seems to be a 15th century caravel... so the swimming man should
also look
<br>more Renaissance-like, i. e. long-haired and bearded... and perhaps
wearing
<br>contemporary costume!
<p>See you in Khyberspace - <A
HREF="http://www.geocities.com/electricafghan/index-e.html">http://www.geocities.com/electricafghan/index-e.html</A>
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Yadgar schrieb in Nachricht <3C6DB0AA.851B50C9@ndh.net>...
    The ship seems to be a 15th century caravel... so the swimming man
should also look more Renaissance-like, i. e. long-haired and bearded... and
perhaps wearing contemporary costume!
Hello!

Actually he is long-haired, with a pony tail or whatever it might be called.
Can't see that of course so it doesn't help. No beard. I know you like them,
and I'm wearing one, too, but for some reason seaman have no beards in my
imagination. The more I'm thinking about it the stranger it gets, taking all
those Redbeards and such. In addition, I think, hair is one of the most
difficult things to do in Pov.

I really wouldn't like to model some wet medieval costume for the man. They
tell you that taking of your clothes when you fall in the sea is a bad idea,
'cause it's the only protection against the cold. He will have to make his
way, without them, anyway.

Thanks for the suggestions,

Marc-Hendrik

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High!

Marc-Hendrik Bremer schrieb:

>     Yadgar schrieb in Nachricht <3C6DB0AA.851B50C9@ndh.net>...
>     The ship seems to be a 15th century caravel... so the swimming man
> should also look more Renaissance-like, i. e. long-haired and bearded... and
> perhaps wearing contemporary costume!
> Hello!
>
> Actually he is long-haired, with a pony tail or whatever it might be called.
> Can't see that of course so it doesn't help. No beard. I know you like them,

Ah, you've checked out my homepage! ;-) Sorry, that there are no PoV-Ray
renderings up to now... currently, I'm working on the Space section, I'm
sure I will feature there some raytraced Solar System or even extrasolar planet

space art scenes...

> and I'm wearing one, too,

Also long hair? I haven't visited your homepage up to now, but kept track of
your
previous PoV works - so I think of you as a typical Middle Ages re-inactment/
fantasy roleplaying geek, and this would fit the image quite well...

> but for some reason seaman have no beards in my
> imagination. The more I'm thinking about it the stranger it gets, taking all
> those Redbeards and such. In addition, I think, hair is one of the most
> difficult things to do in Pov.

Yes, that's probably true. I myself didn't dig into the modelling of scalp or
facial
hair until now, but it would be a tremendous task when it comes to populating
my
Khyberspace scenes with authentically looking Afghans...

See you there - http://www.geocities.com/electricafghan/index-e.html
Afghanistan Chronicle: http://www.ndh.net/home/bleimann/index-e.htm

Yadgar

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Yadgar schrieb in Nachricht <3C7### [at] ndhnet>...

>> and I'm wearing one, too,
>
>Also long hair?

No more. About one centimeter nowadays. My beard is not that long either.
You probably wouldn't like it that much. :-)

> I haven't visited your homepage up to now,

That would have been very difficult 'cause I have none yet. I just uploaded
some of my pics to some webspace my provider ... hm ... provides for me.

>but kept track of your
>previous PoV works - so I think of you as a typical Middle Ages
re-inactment/
>fantasy roleplaying geek, and this would fit the image quite well...


Actually, I'm not sure if I want to fit that image. For some reasons
roleplaying games tend to attract those soziopathic guys, which don't get
enough of a real life. At least I think I'm not of that kind. :-) Fantasy
Roleplaying can get quite a lot in the way of your real life. Those who keep
warning, that those games might be dangerous, usually don't know what
they're talking about, but they are right in a way. You can get very
distracted. Maybe that's the case with every hobby or art you are able to
express yourself in. It's important to keep in touch with RL- which is
sometimes easier and sometimes harder if you take a step aside to play, pov,
paint or whatever your way is to express yourself .

Thanks for the trigger for these thoughts, Yadgar.

Marc-Hendrik

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