Version 2

Still need to do the lights and add some water around the fish and
perhaps a subtle normal to the wall.

The fish is a poser model and the pictures in the frames were created
in vue d'espirit

Comments?

Gail
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Your concept keeps getting better and better.

That said, two comments: the surface of the water (ripples) seems too
regular, and could use some water drops emerging as the fish passes. Also,
did you try ro get parto of the fish tail to be inside the painting? I don't
even know if such is possible, but I believe that the emerging effect would
be improved if such was possible.

Keep up the good work.

Ruy

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Ruy <ruy### [at] hipernetcombr> wrote in message news:3c5ab2ab@news.povray.org...
> <envy-suppressing mode>
>
> Your concept keeps getting better and better.
>
> That said, two comments: the surface of the water (ripples) seems too
> regular, and could use some water drops emerging as the fish passes. Also,
> did you try ro get parto of the fish tail to be inside the painting? I don't
> even know if such is possible, but I believe that the emerging effect would
> be improved if such was possible.
>
> Keep up the good work.
>
> Ruy
>
> </envy-suppressing mode>
>
>

And a splash in the water from the fish breaking the surface.
That would add to the effect I think.


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Very nice. Definately needs water splashing and if
you can bend the fishes tail it might give it a little
more life.

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On Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:24:51 +0200, Gail Shaw wrote:
> Version 2
> 
> Still need to do the lights and add some water around the fish and
> perhaps a subtle normal to the wall.

How about some leaves of one of the trees sticking out too. 

The fish jumping out is a great idea, how about a goldfish bowl on top 
of that pedestal instead of the fractal, and a small goldfish inside it.

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Or a goldfish painting floating just under the surface in the bowl... kinda
like a reverse of roles.  yin yang

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Gail Shaw wrote:

> Version 2
> 
> Still need to do the lights and add some water around the fish and
> perhaps a subtle normal to the wall.
> 
> The fish is a poser model and the pictures in the frames were created
> in vue d'espirit
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Gail
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> 
> 

Shouldn't the fish be in the image on the wall? :-)

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"Ruy" <ruy### [at] hipernetcombr> wrote in message
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> <envy-suppressing mode>
>
> Your concept keeps getting better and better.

thank you

> That said, two comments: the surface of the water (ripples) seems too
> regular, and could use some water drops emerging as the fish passes.

Painting still needs work.

> Also,
> did you try ro get parto of the fish tail to be inside the painting? I
don't
> even know if such is possible, but I believe that the emerging effect
would
> be improved if such was possible.

The fish tail is part of the painting. the image that's used in the painting
is attached.
Anything is possible (within reason) it's just a case of how much time you
are
willing to spend. Aligning the fish model with the picture so that it looks
like one
fish took the better part of two days of tweak and render.

Gail
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"Phil Clute" <pcl### [at] tiacnet> wrote in message
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> Very nice. Definately needs water splashing and if
> you can bend the fishes tail it might give it a little
> more life.

It's as bent as I can. The poser model's not very good and
angles larger than I have make it look broken :-<

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> How about some leaves of one of the trees sticking out too.

Sounds good

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Hi Gail 

 This is getting really interesting as concept, and also artistically. My 
only complains are more for the tech part. I see the shadow parts are too 
dark. Can you put some light on "the other side" of the room to give some 
light filling? It also seems to mee that the point of view is somewhat 
"opressive", too close to the wall (I think someone already mentioned it).

  Good luck!

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"Gail Shaw" wrote:
> Aligning the fish model with the picture so that it looks like
> one fish took the better part of two days of tweak and render.

Sounds like you could maybe save some time by using my Illusion Include
File:
http://rsj.mobilixnet.dk/3d/include/include.html

Great image by the way! I'll follow its development. :)

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Hi Gail,

A nice image progressing well. I like the fish leaving the picture (it
emphasises the 'where the pictures are a little more real than is usual'
comment in your first post). When I read that comment I though you might
have had a figure reaching into one of the pictures, but your concept is
great.

I think that the camera position/angle could be tweaked a little. Moving it
back could give you the opportinity to add some more details to the wall,
such as skirting boards, and floor.

I look forward to seeing the final version.

Cheers,
Ian.

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Gail Shaw wrote:


> The fish tail is part of the painting. the image that's used in the painting
> is attached.
> Anything is possible (within reason) it's just a case of how much time you
> are
> willing to spend. Aligning the fish model with the picture so that it looks
> like one
> fish took the better part of two days of tweak and render.


Maybe this would require unreasonable trouble, in light of how you made 
the fish, but I think a different camera angle would help. That is, so 
the camera is closer to the fish and the fish is jumping at it.

The image is kinda dark. You might try 1) brighter lighting, or
2) lighting that looks like nighttime security lighting as if this sort 
of thing only happens after hours.

John Haiducek

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"John Haiducek" <jha### [at] umichedu> wrote in message
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> 2) lighting that looks like nighttime security lighting as if this sort
> of thing only happens after hours.
>
> John Haiducek

Or, if you wanted to use a poser model, a security guard finding a fish on
the floor in front of the painting. Actually, you wouldn't even need the
security guard. Not sure if you want to be that subtle, however.

 -Shay

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"Rune" <run### [at] mobilixnetdk> wrote in message
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> "Gail Shaw" wrote:
> > Aligning the fish model with the picture so that it looks like
> > one fish took the better part of two days of tweak and render.
>
> Sounds like you could maybe save some time by using my Illusion Include
> File:
> http://rsj.mobilixnet.dk/3d/include/include.html

Forgot about it <g>

> Great image by the way! I'll follow its development. :)

Thanks

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The julias look a bit unstable to me; perhaps make the pedestals a bit
bigger?

Gail Shaw wrote:
> 
> Version 2
> 
> Still need to do the lights and add some water around the fish and
> perhaps a subtle normal to the wall.
> 
> The fish is a poser model and the pictures in the frames were created
> in vue d'espirit
> 
> Comments?
> 
> Gail

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Version 2.5

Changed the camera angle and brightened up the fill lights.

better? worse?

Gail
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Worse. Looks better showing a view down the hall. IMO

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"Gail Shaw" <gsh### [at] monotixcoza> wrote in message
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> Version 2.5
>
> Changed the camera angle and brightened up the fill lights.
>
> better? worse?

    The fish now looks as if it could actually be part of the physical
painting. Like a sculpture attached to it. Before it was obviously separated
from the image.

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