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From: Tony[B]
Subject: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 20 May 2001 22:53:57
Message: <3b088345@news.povray.org>
Short story by Leo Tolstoy (The Death of Ivan Ilych). I'm in a short story
class at FSU. I didn't turn in my homework (creative response) on Wednesday,
so I had to turn a very creative response on Monday. I stayed up till 5AM
doing this. I should have used a higher max_trace_level. Weep with me. <17
hours to render. I'm turning it in like this. No time for a rerender. :(


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From: Dearmad
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 20 May 2001 23:34:15
Message: <3B088E88.8AF5D34A@qwest.net>
Nice to hear raytracing can SAVE a grade rather than
the more usual.... lowering our grades!

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From: Bob H 
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 21 May 2001 00:01:29
Message: <3b089319@news.povray.org>
The moment it hit my eyes I thought of "surreal", then I couldn't help but
notice how the couch looks pasted into the rendering.  Yet it does seem to
be rendered as well.  Was it done separately using the alpha channel and
image mapped in?
Good going on the last resort to get homework done.  Been there, done that;
just not anything like this.

Bob H.

"Tony[B]" <ben### [at] catholicorg> wrote in message
news:3b088345@news.povray.org...
> Short story by Leo Tolstoy (The Death of Ivan Ilych). I'm in a short story
> class at FSU. I didn't turn in my homework (creative response) on
Wednesday,
> so I had to turn a very creative response on Monday. I stayed up till 5AM
> doing this. I should have used a higher max_trace_level. Weep with me. <17
> hours to render. I'm turning it in like this. No time for a rerender. :(
>
>
>


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From: Tony[B]
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 21 May 2001 01:12:05
Message: <3b08a3a5@news.povray.org>
> The moment it hit my eyes I thought of "surreal", then I couldn't help but
> notice how the couch looks pasted into the rendering.  Yet it does seem to
> be rendered as well.  Was it done separately using the alpha channel and
> image mapped in?

Nope. The couch is 3D and is not flat... Maybe it's the fill light creating
that illusion. I'll see what I can do. This is a WIP. I'm turning in this
version, but I'll keep working on it.

> Good going on the last resort to get homework done.  Been there, done
that;
> just not anything like this.

If this isn't "very" creative, I don't know what is. :)


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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 21 May 2001 01:27:32
Message: <3b08a744@news.povray.org>
> The moment it hit my eyes I thought of "surreal", then I couldn't help but
> notice how the couch looks pasted into the rendering.  Yet it does seem to
> be rendered as well.  Was it done separately using the alpha channel and
> image mapped in?

I sort of see what you mean, though not really. I think what is causing it
is the contrast between the red chair and blue carpet. The patterns clash in
a way that makes it look a bit 2D, an optical illusion of sorts. I like the
books, the globe, and the use of radiosity.


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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 21 May 2001 01:47:02
Message: <3B08AC25.FE1D5141@gmx.de>
"Tony[B]" wrote:
> 
> Short story by Leo Tolstoy (The Death of Ivan Ilych). I'm in a short story
> class at FSU. I didn't turn in my homework (creative response) on Wednesday,
> so I had to turn a very creative response on Monday. I stayed up till 5AM
> doing this. I should have used a higher max_trace_level. Weep with me. <17
> hours to render. I'm turning it in like this. No time for a rerender. :(
> 

The composition looks good, it has much potential IMO.  But the lighting
seems to be improvable, radiosity settings (if it's used, i'm not totally
sure) should have a lower error_bound, the sunlight should be smaller
leading to sharper shadows.  Furthermore i think higher contrast would be
more realistic.  

Christoph

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From: Nekar Xenos
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 21 May 2001 03:10:52
Message: <3b08bf7c@news.povray.org>
Nice. How did you do the books?

Nekar

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> Short story by Leo Tolstoy (The Death of Ivan Ilych). I'm in a short story
> class at FSU. I didn't turn in my homework (creative response) on Wednesday,
> so I had to turn a very creative response on Monday. I stayed up till 5AM
> doing this. I should have used a higher max_trace_level. Weep with me. <17
> hours to render. I'm turning it in like this. No time for a rerender. :(
>
>
>


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 21 May 2001 07:49:31
Message: <3b0900cb@news.povray.org>
Very nice!

I especially like the globe and the books (how did you align them?).

I suggest that you randomize the textures for the chairs so they are not
exact copies.

I don't personally like the blue textures on the chairs, nor the blue
texture on the carpet. It looks too fake IMO. Try to come up with some more
realistic patterns. :)

The wall textures and the floor also seem strange to me. (who has a polished
marble floor???)

I think the image is nice already but IMO it could be improved if you try to
make all elements in the image have the same "antique style" as the
bookshelves, the table, the chairs, the globe etc.

It could also be that you're not heading for that antique style at all.
Either way I look forward to see how it turns out.

Rune
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From: Tony[B]
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 21 May 2001 19:25:28
Message: <3b09a3e8@news.povray.org>
They're part of Gilles' library macros.


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From: Tony[B]
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 21 May 2001 19:26:55
Message: <3b09a43f@news.povray.org>
> Very nice!

Thanks! :)

> I especially like the globe and the books (how did you align them?).

It's all part of Gilles' macros. Ask him. :)

> I suggest that you randomize the textures for the chairs so they are not
> exact copies.

This occured to me after the render finished. I plan to do so.

> I don't personally like the blue textures on the chairs, nor the blue
> texture on the carpet. It looks too fake IMO. Try to come up with some
more
> realistic patterns. :)

:| I'll try...

> The wall textures and the floor also seem strange to me. (who has a
polished
> marble floor???)

The wall was quick and dirty. I wanted to finish the darn thing quickly. Um,
and we have a floor like that, made up of imitation-marble tiles.

> I think the image is nice already but IMO it could be improved if you try
to
> make all elements in the image have the same "antique style" as the
> bookshelves, the table, the chairs, the globe etc.

Working on it...

> It could also be that you're not heading for that antique style at all.

I was. This was in the 1840s-1850s.

> Either way I look forward to see how it turns out.

Same here! :) In my latest test-render the spots are gone. I'll start
working on the rest.


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From: Tony[B]
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 21 May 2001 19:54:06
Message: <3b09aa9e@news.povray.org>
> The composition looks good, it has much potential IMO.

Wonderful! :)

> But the lighting seems to be improvable,

Please tell me what would look better. I used a fill-light in the inside to
lighten things up, maybe that's what you see? What do you suggest?

> radiosity settings (if it's used, i'm not totally
> sure) should have a lower error_bound,

Is 0.05 too big?

> the sunlight should be smaller
> leading to sharper shadows.

OK. I'll adjust the Sun's area_light settings.

> Furthermore i think higher contrast would be
> more realistic.

Hmm... this is the fill-light's fault, isn't it? Maybe I'll eliminate it.


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From: Gilles Tran
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 22 May 2001 04:02:06
Message: <3B0A1D67.840409C7@inapg.inra.fr>
"Tony[B]" wrote:

> I was. This was in the 1840s-1850s.

Note that the story takes place in 1882. This cute little Eiffel Tower (built in
1889) may have travelled back in time :-)

G.
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From: Steve
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 22 May 2001 18:50:46
Message: <slrn9glr2m.7h8.steve@zero-pps.localdomain>
On Mon, 21 May 2001 13:44:57 +0200, Rune wrote:

>The wall textures and the floor also seem strange to me. (who has a polished
>marble floor???)

In Spain I don't think I've seen anywhere that didn't have a marbel floor. 

I agree with you on the other textures. 

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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 22 May 2001 23:48:12
Message: <3B0B31A3.9F100FD7@faricy.net>
Higher max trace, for the sky?  You could have rerendered that part and
pasted it in.

Wow.  You've gone mad to do this for a short story class.

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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 23 May 2001 03:11:19
Message: <3B0B62E6.2D72145@gmx.de>
"Tony[B]" wrote:
> 
> Please tell me what would look better. I used a fill-light in the inside to
> lighten things up, maybe that's what you see? What do you suggest?
> 

I would try it without the fill light, radiosity has not so much effect
right now.  There should be much higher contrast between outside and
inside, unless there is a very large window behind the camera of course.

In any case for example the gab between the two cabinets should be very
dark, the (shadowless) fill light avoids this right now.

> > radiosity settings (if it's used, i'm not totally
> > sure) should have a lower error_bound,
> 
> Is 0.05 too big?

No, but with the fill light you don't see much of it.  

Christoph

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From: Rune
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 23 May 2001 04:17:49
Message: <3b0b722d@news.povray.org>
"Steve" wrote:
> Rune wrote:
> > The wall textures and the floor also seem strange to me.
> > (who has a polished marble floor???)
>
> In Spain I don't think I've seen anywhere that didn't have
> a marbel floor.

What I find odd is that it is not tiled, but one big piece, which makes it
look extremely heavy and solid. Considering that this room is up at some
high level in a building (look out of the windows), it looks a bit strange
to me. But that may just be me...

Rune
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From: Tony[B]
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 23 May 2001 08:10:34
Message: <3b0ba8ba@news.povray.org>
> Note that the story takes place in 1882. This cute little Eiffel Tower
(built in
> 1889) may have travelled back in time :-)

Oopsie. Let's hope the professor doesn't notice. ;)


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From: Tony[B]
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 23 May 2001 08:44:40
Message: <3b0bb0b8@news.povray.org>
> I would try it without the fill light, radiosity has not so much effect
> right now.  There should be much higher contrast between outside and
> inside, unless there is a very large window behind the camera of course.

But if I dispense with the fill-light it's very very dark inside...

> In any case for example the gab between the two cabinets should be very
> dark, the (shadowless) fill light avoids this right now.

:( I'll see what I can do.


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From: Nekar Xenos
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 23 May 2001 10:43:24
Message: <3b0bcc8c@news.povray.org>
Maybe it was just a model he made and it inspired Eiffel...?!

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> > Note that the story takes place in 1882. This cute little Eiffel Tower
> (built in
> > 1889) may have travelled back in time :-)
>
> Oopsie. Let's hope the professor doesn't notice. ;)
>
>


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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 23 May 2001 12:54:55
Message: <3B0BEB87.8788E1B8@gmx.de>
"Tony[B]" wrote:
> 
> But if I dispense with the fill-light it's very very dark inside...
> 

That's what you have to expect, the contrast should be fairly high. You
can try to increase the sun light intensity and maybe make the objects
inside brighter. The directly lit parts near the windows should be nearly
white like on a well-balanced photograph. Also note that you probably have
to use recursion_limit 2 or larger to get sufficient lighting.  

Christoph

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From: Steve
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 23 May 2001 18:00:50
Message: <slrn9gocha.9nj.steve@zero-pps.localdomain>
On Wed, 23 May 2001 09:40:18 +0200, Rune wrote:
>"Steve" wrote:
>> In Spain I don't think I've seen anywhere that didn't have
>> a marbel floor.
>
>What I find odd is that it is not tiled, but one big piece, which makes it
>look extremely heavy and solid. Considering that this room is up at some
>high level in a building (look out of the windows), it looks a bit strange
>to me. But that may just be me...

I answered without looking at the image, yes a whole slab would be strange. 

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From: Tony[B]
Subject: Re: The Couch of Ivan Ilych (~271kau)
Date: 24 May 2001 08:39:53
Message: <3b0d0119@news.povray.org>
> What I find odd is that it is not tiled, but one big piece, which makes it
> look extremely heavy and solid. Considering that this room is up at some
> high level in a building (look out of the windows), it looks a bit strange
> to me. But that may just be me...

It is tiled... :)


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