Whatcha think?  This is *VERY* preliminary work.  I may turn the chains
into studded chain instead of just cut wire chain in the future.  This is
just a quick render to see what it'd look like draped over a standard white
pigment cylinder..  Any ideas to make the chain look more realistic?

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"Thomas Charron" <tch### [at] ductapenet> wrote in message
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>     Whatcha think?  This is *VERY* preliminary work.  I may turn the
chains
> into studded chain instead of just cut wire chain in the future.  This is
> just a quick render to see what it'd look like draped over a standard
white
> pigment cylinder..  Any ideas to make the chain look more realistic?

It's great. Is the chain using any kind of collision detection? Would it
adapt itself to any surface I mean?



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"Andy Cocker" <big### [at] mariner9fsnetcouk> wrote in message
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> "Thomas Charron" <tch### [at] ductapenet> wrote in message
> news:3a70a3a7@news.povray.org...
> >     Whatcha think?  This is *VERY* preliminary work.  I may turn the
> chains
> > into studded chain instead of just cut wire chain in the future.  This
is
> > just a quick render to see what it'd look like draped over a standard
> white
> > pigment cylinder..  Any ideas to make the chain look more realistic?
> It's great. Is the chain using any kind of collision detection? Would it
> adapt itself to any surface I mean?

    I wish..  :-)  Theres a reason why it's laying on a cylinder, ya know..
:-)

    Basically, I can generate flat peices,including angular ones, or ones
that 'revolve' themselves around a given point in space.  In this case, they
are actually two peices.  One revolving 1/4 around the origin (center of the
cylinder), and another 1/4 around <12, 0, 0>.  If I only had the time to
work on things such as collision detection.  :-(  It'd be sweet if I could
take a sheet and 'drape' it over things.  Then I wouldn't spend so much time
thinking about getting the placement just right for my IRTC image..  :-)
I'm attempting to do a Paladin from the Crusades..

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Thomas Charron wrote:

> "Andy Cocker" <big### [at] mariner9fsnetcouk> wrote in message
> news:3a70a87e@news.povray.org...
> > "Thomas Charron" <tch### [at] ductapenet> wrote in message
> > news:3a70a3a7@news.povray.org...
> > >     Whatcha think?  This is *VERY* preliminary work.  I may turn the
> > chains
> > > into studded chain instead of just cut wire chain in the future.  This
> is
> > > just a quick render to see what it'd look like draped over a standard
> > white
> > > pigment cylinder..  Any ideas to make the chain look more realistic?
> > It's great. Is the chain using any kind of collision detection? Would it
> > adapt itself to any surface I mean?
>
>     I wish..  :-)  Theres a reason why it's laying on a cylinder, ya know..
> :-)
>
>     Basically, I can generate flat peices,including angular ones, or ones
> that 'revolve' themselves around a given point in space.  In this case, they
> are actually two peices.  One revolving 1/4 around the origin (center of the
> cylinder), and another 1/4 around <12, 0, 0>.  If I only had the time to
> work on things such as collision detection.  :-(  It'd be sweet if I could
> take a sheet and 'drape' it over things.  Then I wouldn't spend so much time
> thinking about getting the placement just right for my IRTC image..  :-)
> I'm attempting to do a Paladin from the Crusades..

I remember three kinds of chain mail.  Yours is the medium flexible version.
There is another kind that is stronger.  I used to ride the bus to school every
day with a guy who was making a glove.  It was taking him a very long time.

Dan Johnson

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> >     Basically, I can generate flat peices,including angular ones, or
ones
> > that 'revolve' themselves around a given point in space.  In this case,
they
> > are actually two peices.  One revolving 1/4 around the origin (center of
the
> > cylinder), and another 1/4 around <12, 0, 0>.  If I only had the time to
> > work on things such as collision detection.  :-(  It'd be sweet if I
could
> > take a sheet and 'drape' it over things.  Then I wouldn't spend so much
time
> > thinking about getting the placement just right for my IRTC image..  :-)
> > I'm attempting to do a Paladin from the Crusades..
> I remember three kinds of chain mail.  Yours is the medium flexible
version.
> There is another kind that is stronger.  I used to ride the bus to school
every
> day with a guy who was making a glove.  It was taking him a very long
time.

    Yep.  There are several kinds of 'weaves' you can use..  The one shown
is a 4 in 1 weave.  I also have a mess around version that does a 6 in 1 and
8 in 1 weave.  I'm familiar with the weaves, and even messed around with
making my own for a bit, but never finished it.  To boring, like Knitting,
but with metal.. :-)

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On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:07:53 -0500, "Thomas Charron"
<tch### [at] ductapenet> wrote:

>    Whatcha think?  This is *VERY* preliminary work.  

Isn't this a ring mail?


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>     Yep.  There are several kinds of 'weaves' you can use..  The one shown
> is a 4 in 1 weave.  I also have a mess around version that does a 6 in 1 and
> 8 in 1 weave.  I'm familiar with the weaves, and even messed around with
> making my own for a bit, but never finished it.  To boring, like Knitting,
> but with metal.. :-)

Do you have examples of other weaves?

Dan Johnson

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What does "WIP" mean? I have been wondering for several months now.
I couldn't resist anymore but ask.

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Warp wrote:
> 
>   What does "WIP" mean? I have been wondering for several months now.
> I couldn't resist anymore but ask.

Work In Progress.

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On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:07:53 -0500, Thomas Charron wrote...
>     Whatcha think?  This is *VERY* preliminary work.  I may turn the chains
> into studded chain instead of just cut wire chain in the future.  This is
> just a quick render to see what it'd look like draped over a standard white
> pigment cylinder..  Any ideas to make the chain look more realistic?

Pretty good for standard 4:1 mesh.  For a real headache, try 6:1...

Not having read any other replies yet, I'd guess that you articulated the 
chain on a row by row basis?  This would mean that draping it over a 
sphere would be a) a pain in the gluteus maximus, or b) effectively 
impossible :)

Bye for now,
     Jamie.

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Jamie Davison <jam### [at] dh70qdu-netcom> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:07:53 -0500, Thomas Charron wrote...
> >     Whatcha think?  This is *VERY* preliminary work.  I may turn the
chains
> > into studded chain instead of just cut wire chain in the future.  This
is
> > just a quick render to see what it'd look like draped over a standard
white
> > pigment cylinder..  Any ideas to make the chain look more realistic?
> Pretty good for standard 4:1 mesh.  For a real headache, try 6:1...

  HeHe..  Yep..  Pretty easy to work out, but, as you note below:

> Not having read any other replies yet, I'd guess that you articulated the
> chain on a row by row basis?  This would mean that draping it over a
> sphere would be a) a pain in the gluteus maximus, or b) effectively
> impossible :)

    Yep.  actually, it's on a column by column basis, but same difference.
As far as draping over a circle, yes, pretty much answer A), if not answer
B). .:-)

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Looks like standard SCA type cut-from-springs mail. The real stuff was
typicaly flatended at both ends of each link, then drilled and rivited
together. The SCA stuff is a lot faster to make, and probubly much
stronger than the iron wire used in the Middle Ages.

Ken Matassa

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On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:52:09 -0800, Ken Matassa wrote...
> Looks like standard SCA type cut-from-springs mail. The real stuff was
> typicaly flatended at both ends of each link, then drilled and rivited
> together. The SCA stuff is a lot faster to make, and probubly much
> stronger than the iron wire used in the Middle Ages.

It's undoubtedly quicker to make, but as to being stronger, I doubt it...

I found somewhere (I've lost the link) online a page comparing riveted 
versus twisted link mail.  I think they hit a dummy wearing the two types 
with a sword of some description.  With the riveted mail, some of the 
links bent a bit, but the structure stayed together, but with the twisted 
link mail, several links just sprung open, and left big holes in the 
mesh.

I found the page a few years ago when I was looking for basic directions 
on knitting mail so it may or may not still be out there.

Bye for now,
     Jamie.

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"Jamie Davison" <jam### [at] dh70qdu-netcom> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 20:52:09 -0800, Ken Matassa wrote...
> > Looks like standard SCA type cut-from-springs mail. The real stuff was
> > typicaly flatended at both ends of each link, then drilled and rivited
> > together. The SCA stuff is a lot faster to make, and probubly much
> > stronger than the iron wire used in the Middle Ages.
> I found somewhere (I've lost the link) online a page comparing riveted
> versus twisted link mail.  I think they hit a dummy wearing the two types
> with a sword of some description.  With the riveted mail, some of the
> links bent a bit, but the structure stayed together, but with the twisted
> link mail, several links just sprung open, and left big holes in the
> mesh.
> I found the page a few years ago when I was looking for basic directions
> on knitting mail so it may or may not still be out there.

    Several dozen sites out there, both for riveted and cut chain.  :-)
I've made some, and your right.  The problem is, with nonriveted mail, there
can be no transference of force accross the links.  The force cannot
disapate accross the links, and hence, a few links take full force.  :-)

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"Ken Matassa" <kma### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
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> Looks like standard SCA type cut-from-springs mail. The real stuff was
> typicaly flatended at both ends of each link, then drilled and rivited
> together. The SCA stuff is a lot faster to make, and probubly much
> stronger than the iron wire used in the Middle Ages.

    Yep, much faster to make, but more due to the fact that links can now be
made simply by bent wire.  :-)

    As far as stronger, heck no.  The alloys and the such used in the making
of the wire traditionaly used for making the links is put there to make the
wire maleable.  Thats bad when you want it to take a blow, becouse the force
cannot be distributed accross the links, but instead is absorbed by a few
links, usually breaking them..  :-(

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