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From: Ken
Subject: [wip] Mountain-Trees [80k]
Date: 27 Apr 2003 13:11:19
Message: <3EAC0EC0.2FB94747@pacbell.net>
Hi,

Messing around with POV-Tree, the trace function, slope maps, radiosity,
HFs and a few other things. I still need to get better control of using
the slope map feature. I would also like to add some more leaf litter like
stuff to the forest floor and will probably switch to area lights for
softer shadows later on. I won't even admit how long it took me to get
the camera location and lighting angles to where they are now... ...and
yes it is supposed to be on the darkish side.

Any comments or suggestions welcome.

-- 
Ken Tyler


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From: Gena Obukhov
Subject: Re: [wip] Mountain-Trees [80k]
Date: 27 Apr 2003 14:38:27
Message: <3EAC21E6.CFB5B8AA@mail.com>
Looks good.
I think this is the first POV-Tree forest :)
You can also try to add some mesh bushes
(making trunk length = 0). And some grass
and leaves on the ground will definitely improve
the scene.

Gena.

Ken wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Messing around with POV-Tree, the trace function, slope maps, radiosity,
> HFs and a few other things. I still need to get better control of using
> the slope map feature. I would also like to add some more leaf litter like
> stuff to the forest floor and will probably switch to area lights for
> softer shadows later on. I won't even admit how long it took me to get
> the camera location and lighting angles to where they are now... ...and
> yes it is supposed to be on the darkish side.
>
> Any comments or suggestions welcome.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  [Image]


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: [wip] Mountain-Trees [80k]
Date: 27 Apr 2003 15:50:11
Message: <3eac3473@news.povray.org>
> Messing around with POV-Tree,  

Nice looking trees especially.  I was messing with POV-Tree myself 
recently, but I couldn't be sure if "Preview" was just taking a long 
time or not working at all.


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From: Gena Obukhov
Subject: Re: [wip] Mountain-Trees [80k]
Date: 27 Apr 2003 16:03:51
Message: <3EAC35E9.3E729B36@mail.com>
Jim Charter wrote:

> Nice looking trees especially.  I was messing with POV-Tree myself
> recently, but I couldn't be sure if "Preview" was just taking a long
> time or not working at all.

POV-Tree is a Java program. As a result it's not so fast as a program
written in C/C++. It's a price for its multi-platform support :)

Very detailed tree can take a lot of time to preview it. I would
recommend to work separately on different parts of your tree.
First, work on roots/trunk. Then disable roots (on tree tab),
enable trunk and work on branches (without twigs) etc. This
way preview will be more responsive.

Gena.


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: [wip] Mountain-Trees [80k]
Date: 27 Apr 2003 16:06:41
Message: <3eac3851@news.povray.org>
Hey Gena, where are the Example Trees?  Are they somewhere on your site 
that I am missing?  They didn't seem to be packed in the download?


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From: Gena Obukhov
Subject: Re: [wip] Mountain-Trees [80k]
Date: 27 Apr 2003 16:11:19
Message: <3EAC37AA.A285ABDB@mail.com>
Jim Charter wrote:

> Hey Gena, where are the Example Trees?  Are they somewhere on your site
> that I am missing?  They didn't seem to be packed in the download?

It's under 'Examples' menu in the program itself.
You have to save it either as blob include file or mesh.

Gena.


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From: Andrew Coppin
Subject: Re: [wip] Mountain-Trees [80k]
Date: 27 Apr 2003 16:25:36
Message: <3eac3cc0$1@news.povray.org>
Most impressive... I really love the colour of the sky. The hill/mountain
looks lovely. The trees are great too. Only thing I would add is that
perhaps the left hand side of the image could be just slighly brighter to
show off those trees a bit more.

Either that or I've got the gamma of my monitor set wrong! (What am I on
about? My video card doesn't HAVE gamma correction, and nor does any of my
image viewing software...)

Thanks.
Andrew.


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From: Andrew Coppin
Subject: Draft question...
Date: 27 Apr 2003 16:28:48
Message: <3eac3d80$1@news.povray.org>
> > Messing around with POV-Tree,
>
> Nice looking trees especially.  I was messing with POV-Tree myself
> recently, but I couldn't be sure if "Preview" was just taking a long
> time or not working at all.

Extreme dumb-ass question... What's POV-Tree?

Andrew.


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From: Gena Obukhov
Subject: Re: Draft question...
Date: 27 Apr 2003 16:43:31
Message: <3EAC3F36.696B9487@mail.com>
Andrew Coppin wrote:

> Extreme dumb-ass question... What's POV-Tree?

It's a tree generator based on TOMTREE macro by Tom Aust
and written in Java. You can get here:

http://propro.ru/go/Wshop/tools/tools.html

Gena.


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From: Marc Jacquier
Subject: Re: Draft question...
Date: 27 Apr 2003 17:15:21
Message: <3eac4869$1@news.povray.org>
"Andrew Coppin" <orp### [at] btinternetcom> a écrit dans le message de news:
3eac3d80$1@news.povray.org...
> Extreme dumb-ass question... What's POV-Tree?
>
A java tree generator written by Gena.
I think next IRTC round will feature some Pov-trees
http://propro.iis.nsk.su/go/Wshop/tools/tools.html

Marc


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: [wip] Mountain-Trees [80k]
Date: 27 Apr 2003 18:30:44
Message: <3EAC59D6.EDCB9338@pacbell.net>
Gena Obukhov wrote:
> 
> Looks good.

Thanks, I couldn't have done it without you :)

> I think this is the first POV-Tree forest :)

It's an honor. I started with the spruce example and then made
three modified versions seen in the image.

> You can also try to add some mesh bushes
> (making trunk length = 0).

I have a good starting idea of the controls for the trunk and branches
but I need to get a better idea of the controls for the twigs, leaf,
and the bunchs. I still don't really understand the ramifications of
cause and effect with all of the options available. Some of the help
notes just get me more confused but that is not unusual for me...

> And some grass
> and leaves on the ground will definitely improve
> the scene.

In the works. Placement is the hard part. I'm trying to come up with some
exclusion zones around the trees themselves but I haven't found a working
solution yet.

-- 
Ken Tyler


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From: Jim Charter
Subject: Re: [wip] Mountain-Trees [80k]
Date: 27 Apr 2003 18:32:19
Message: <3eac5a73$1@news.povray.org>
Gena Obukhov wrote:
> Jim Charter wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hey Gena, where are the Example Trees?  Are they somewhere on your site
>>that I am missing?  They didn't seem to be packed in the download?
> 
> 
> It's under 'Examples' menu in the program itself.
> You have to save it either as blob include file or mesh.
> 
> Gena.
> 
> 
Ah duh!  Now I see them.


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: [wip] Mountain-Trees [80k]
Date: 27 Apr 2003 18:33:32
Message: <3EAC5A80.3861140A@pacbell.net>
Gena Obukhov wrote:

> Very detailed tree can take a lot of time to preview it. I would
> recommend to work separately on different parts of your tree.
> First, work on roots/trunk. Then disable roots (on tree tab),
> enable trunk and work on branches (without twigs) etc. This
> way preview will be more responsive.

I've had it hang up a couple of times and have had to quit and come back
in to get preview working again. The first couple of times I tried the
program I couldn't get anything to preview but then on the third try
everything magically started working. No problems now.

-- 
Ken Tyler


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: [wip] Mountain-Trees [80k]
Date: 27 Apr 2003 18:44:39
Message: <3EAC5D1A.1BCA665D@pacbell.net>
Andrew Coppin wrote:
> 
> Most impressive... I really love the colour of the sky. The hill/mountain
> looks lovely. The trees are great too.

Thanks.

> Only thing I would add is that
> perhaps the left hand side of the image could be just slighly brighter to
> show off those trees a bit more.

I was really going for that siloutte look. This image was inspired by one
I found on the net a few months ago showing an asian woman in a billowy
summer dress walking along a ridge line at sunset and shot from below.
The colors of the sky were very similar but you could only make out the
outline of the ridge and the girl walking on it. The only real detail was
the clouds and sky itself.

If I can add more detail to the scene, and make it look realistic, I might
try a daylight version of it. We'll have to wait and see...

-- 
Ken Tyler


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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: [wip] Mountain-Trees [80k]
Date: 27 Apr 2003 18:49:08
Message: <3EAC5E64.9A10EC6F@gmx.de>
Ken wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Messing around with POV-Tree, the trace function, slope maps, radiosity,
> HFs and a few other things. I still need to get better control of using
> the slope map feature. I would also like to add some more leaf litter like
> stuff to the forest floor and will probably switch to area lights for
> softer shadows later on. I won't even admit how long it took me to get
> the camera location and lighting angles to where they are now... ...and
> yes it is supposed to be on the darkish side.

Wow, your second image this month, you are getting quite productive... ;-)

Nice work on the trees but they could be more random in the detail.  The
lighting is somewhat strange.  I suppose the shadows are coming from
moonlight.  I think the scenery would look more spectacular if the light
comes more from the sunset.

Christoph

-- 
POV-Ray tutorials, include files, Sim-POV,
HCR-Edit and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/
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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: [wip] Mountain-Trees [80k]
Date: 27 Apr 2003 18:49:12
Message: <3EAC5E69.F55A5197@gmx.de>
Ken wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> In the works. Placement is the hard part. I'm trying to come up with some
> exclusion zones around the trees themselves but I haven't found a working
> solution yet.

Try some 'wrapping cylinders' around the trees and use the 'inside()'
function.  

Christoph

-- 
POV-Ray tutorials, include files, Sim-POV,
HCR-Edit and more: http://www.tu-bs.de/~y0013390/
Last updated 28 Feb. 2003 _____./\/^>_*_<^\/\.______


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: [wip] Mountain-Trees [80k]
Date: 27 Apr 2003 18:58:36
Message: <3EAC605F.CAE8D38E@pacbell.net>
Christoph Hormann wrote:

> Wow, your second image this month, you are getting quite productive... ;-)

I got burned out a couple of years ago and am finally starting to enjoy it
again.

> Nice work on the trees but they could be more random in the detail.  The
> lighting is somewhat strange.  I suppose the shadows are coming from
> moonlight.  I think the scenery would look more spectacular if the light
> comes more from the sunset.

I'll work on it some more, thanks for the suggestions.

-- 
Ken Tyler


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From: Andrew Coppin
Subject: Re: Draft question...
Date: 28 Apr 2003 16:53:38
Message: <3ead94d2$1@news.povray.org>
Thankyou! ;-)

Andrew.


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From: Bill Naylor
Subject: Re: [wip] Mountain-Trees [80k]
Date: 28 Apr 2003 17:17:32
Message: <3EAD9A6B.57A4BFDD@hotmail.com>
Beautiful Sky!

I've been trying to make that sky forever.

Bill


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