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From: Kari Kivisalo
Subject: Re: Rad with Kari-lights
Date: 22 Jan 2002 19:43:55
Message: <3C4E0781.1C9FDCA5@engineer.com>
Mark James Lewin wrote:
>
> This light was square and used 25 spotlights are per Kari's suggestions.

For this one area_light D*x, D*z, 5, 5 jitter adaptive 0 would be
enough. I would say that if the nearest object is within 3*fade_distance
and more accurate lighting is needed then divide the source. Try it first
with one source and see what it looks like. cornell.pov in the beta
distribution can be used to see how dividing the source affects the lighting.
The N parameter divides the source to N^2 sub sources. N=3 was mainly
used to get better lighting on the front of the tall box, the rest
of the scene is ok with 1 source. Notice how the light intensity remains
constant even when the source is divided without altering source brightness.
It's because the light source color brightness is actually brightness/area
so when a source is divided to smaller sources they still have the same
area brightness.

> I used radiostity with a recursion limit of 5 (probably a little excessive)
> and here are the results.

Looks good and a fortunate coincidence is that the scene contrast
ratio matches nicely that of a typical monitor so no post processing
is needed :) 


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Kari Kivisalo


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From: Kari Kivisalo
Subject: Re: Rad with Kari-lights
Date: 22 Jan 2002 19:51:08
Message: <3C4E0932.3DDCA768@engineer.com>
Mark James Lewin wrote:
>
>     I suggest we call these wonderful lights Kari-lights in honour
>  of their inventor :-)

I would more like them as rayalistic lights :)


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From: Mark James Lewin
Subject: Re: Rad with Kari-lights
Date: 22 Jan 2002 20:30:51
Message: <3C4E0DEC.D2900806@yahoo.com.au>
Kari Kivisalo wrote:

> For this one area_light D*x, D*z, 5, 5 jitter adaptive 0 would be
> enough.

I seldom see the easy way first :-) I am still amazed at how much  indoor rad
scenes can benefit from these settings.

>
> Looks good and a fortunate coincidence is that the scene contrast
> ratio matches nicely that of a typical monitor so no post processing
> is needed :)

Thank you.

If only POV had the ability to adjust colours before they are clipped and written
to file...


--
text{ttf"timrom.ttf"concat(#local O=1;#while(O<7)chr(val(substr(concat(#local Q=
1;#while(Q<7)str(asc(substr("???<?>",Q,1))-56,0,0),#local Q=Q+1;#end""),O,2))),#
local O=O+2;#end"").1,0pigment{rgb 9}translate-<1,.3,-2>} // MJL


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From: Hugo
Subject: Re: Rad with Kari-lights
Date: 23 Jan 2002 03:13:21
Message: <3c4e70a1@news.povray.org>
Drooool!!  Now tell me the render time!

Hugo


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From: Jaime Vives Piqueres
Subject: Re: Rad with Kari-lights
Date: 23 Jan 2002 03:58:25
Message: <3c4e7b31@news.povray.org>
Mark James Lewin wrote:

>     I saw Kari Kivisalo's suggestions to Tim Nikias on realistic light

  Very good! Seems that Kari is a great inipiration for all us. I'm trying 
to finish a macro for this kind of kari-lights, which I started some months 
ago inspired by Kari comments. 

  I'm also playing with another Kari idea, and that's using spectral data 
for the lights. His original idea was to wrap spectrum pictures on a sphere 
containing the light. But that was slow, so I searched the net and found an 
algoritm to convert a sampled spectrum into rgb, and it seems to work 
pretty well for common bulbs spectrums (feven luorescents come out 
greeninsh!:). The problem is that I never seem to be even close to finish 
the macro: RL is a bit annoying sometimes... hope to have something decent 
to show soon.

-- 
Jaime Vives Piqueres

La Persistencia de la Ignorancia
http://www.ignorancia.org


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From: JRG
Subject: Re: Rad with Kari-lights
Date: 23 Jan 2002 12:46:14
Message: <3c4ef6e6@news.povray.org>
If I were you I would report this bug to p.b-t:
"Bug: radiosity artefacts disappeared..."

Great job.

--
#local j=text{ttf"arial""JRG".2,0}#local J=0;#while(J<10)#local R=0;#while
(R<2)#local G=0;#while(G<1)#if(inside(j<R,G.1>))object{j scale.025translate
<R-1G-J/20J/-40+2>pigment{rgb<9J>}}#debug"O"#else#debug" "#end#local G=G+
.025;#end#local R=R+.05;#debug"\n"#end#local J=J+1;#end// JRG

Home: http://digilander.iol.it/jrgpov  //New: Kitchen scene WIP


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From: Mark James Lewin
Subject: Re: Rad with Kari-lights
Date: 23 Jan 2002 17:21:11
Message: <3C4F32FF.31CABA81@yahoo.com.au>
Render time was ~ 20 min on an 800MHz Athlon. The radiosity settings used were
higher than needed, though.

MJL

Hugo wrote:

> Drooool!!  Now tell me the render time!
>
> Hugo

--
text{ttf"timrom.ttf"concat(#local O=1;#while(O<7)chr(val(substr(concat(#local Q=
1;#while(Q<7)str(asc(substr("???<?>",Q,1))-56,0,0),#local Q=Q+1;#end""),O,2))),#
local O=O+2;#end"").1,0pigment{rgb 9}translate-<1,.3,-2>} // MJL


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From: Mark James Lewin
Subject: Re: Rad with Kari-lights
Date: 23 Jan 2002 17:27:19
Message: <3C4F346E.97642057@yahoo.com.au>
Jaime Vives Piqueres wrote:

>   Very good!

Thank you!

>   I'm also playing with another Kari idea, and that's using spectral data
> for the lights [snip]... hope to have something decent to show soon.

I bet lots of people would use something like this. Good luck with it.

--
text{ttf"timrom.ttf"concat(#local O=1;#while(O<7)chr(val(substr(concat(#local Q=
1;#while(Q<7)str(asc(substr("???<?>",Q,1))-56,0,0),#local Q=Q+1;#end""),O,2))),#
local O=O+2;#end"").1,0pigment{rgb 9}translate-<1,.3,-2>} // MJL


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From: Mark James Lewin
Subject: Re: Rad with Kari-lights
Date: 23 Jan 2002 17:33:55
Message: <3C4F35FA.3FD5F92B@yahoo.com.au>
JRG wrote:

> If I were you I would report this bug to p.b-t:
> "Bug: radiosity artefacts disappeared..."
>
> Great job.

Thank you. Buggy :-) rad settings were...

radiosity
         {
         pretrace_start 0.01
         pretrace_end   0.005
         recursion_limit 5
         count 300
         error_bound 0.25
         nearest_count 7
         minimum_reuse 0.01
         always_sample off
         }

which I would not like to use in a scene any more complex than this...

--
text{ttf"timrom.ttf"concat(#local O=1;#while(O<7)chr(val(substr(concat(#local Q=
1;#while(Q<7)str(asc(substr("???<?>",Q,1))-56,0,0),#local Q=Q+1;#end""),O,2))),#
local O=O+2;#end"").1,0pigment{rgb 9}translate-<1,.3,-2>} // MJL


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From: Christopher James Huff
Subject: Re: Rad with Kari-lights
Date: 26 Jan 2002 17:25:33
Message: <chrishuff-FDF068.17271326012002@netplex.aussie.org>
In article <3C4E0DEC.D2900806@yahoo.com.au>,
 Mark James Lewin <m_j### [at] yahoocomau> wrote:

> If only POV had the ability to adjust colours before they are clipped and 
> written to file...

MegaPOV has this ability.

-- 
 -- 
Christopher James Huff <chr### [at] maccom>


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