So, after various comments, I worked a little more on the image, and
this is
the final version. You may comment again, of course!

Due to the file-size (9 MB mesh for the woman, 100 KB for heightfield)
I won't post it here, nor on my homepage
(www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights/index.htm),
but you may find a high-res (1024x512, JPG, near-lossless compression
factor of 1)
there. Though this one is smaller in filesize, I don't think it has any
loss in quality.

The sky was now created with the planes-stacking technique using 20
planes.
I've lowered her buttocks a bit into the water (as mentioned by
someone), but
I didn't change the texture of the heart too much. After all, she is
made of something
near metal, whereas the heart is supposed to be something fragile, like
glass, and
thus is transparent. I made it a little rounder though, and a deeper red
for contrast.

Hope you all like it,

Tim

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Attachments:
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Preview of image 'tranquil.jpg'

Uups, that should have been "Her hand is filled!". Ah, well.

Tim

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I like the improvements you made. Especially the clouds
look very good to me. Only the bright horizon looks kind
of strange imo. I would make it darker or alternatively use
some kind of setting sun.

Thies Heidecke

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Thies Heidecke schrieb:

> I like the improvements you made.

Thanks!

> Especially the clouds look very good to me.

Takes longer tracing time as well!

> Only the bright horizon looks kind
> of strange imo. I would make it darker or alternatively use
> some kind of setting sun.
>

I sort of like the glow, although it's not too realistic. Perhaps I'll
darken it just a touch...

Tim

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Okay, I darkened the horizon, but don't think I need to post that one
again. If
you still want to see it's final staege, look at
www,digitaltwilight.de/no_lights/index.html
and you'll find it within the gallery.

Tim

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Tim Nikias wrote:
> Hope you all like it,

I do. This sky is a great improvement. :)


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>
> I do.

Thanks!

> This sky is a great improvement. :)
>

Just now I'm rendering a version with 80 planes (since there were some jagged
lines due
to the "slicing" technique of this) and I'll post that one on my homepage ASAP.

Tim

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Ouch. What did you use: max_trace_level 81?

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I asked just because it happened to me to use a perfect trace_level for the sky, but
not for the sea reflecting the sky, so after hours of rendering I got a mere piece of
s*** :)

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"JRG" <jrg### [at] hotmailcom> ha scritto nel messaggio news:3c373400@news.povray.org...
> Ouch. What did you use: max_trace_level 81?
>
> --
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> .025;#end#local R=R+.05;#debug"\n"#end#local J=J+1;#end// JRG
>
> Home: http://digilander.iol.it/jrgpov
>
>
>

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> I asked just because it happened to me to use a perfect trace_level for the sky, but
> not for the sea reflecting the sky, so after hours of rendering I got a mere piece
of
> s*** :)
>

I got that one during the initial few rows (max_trace was too low for the planes), so
I've
spotted the error early on. It's now set to 256, which should be sufficient for all
reflections taking
place on woman and ocean.

Does anyone know why the max_trace has been limited to 256? No big room for hundreds
of
planes there...

Oh, another thing. The REAL final render uses 70 planes spread of 400 POV-Units worth
of
height
and definetely look good!

And tracing is not too bad either: Finishes in roughly 40 mins on a 1.4 GHZ Athlon
with
512 MB RAM...
(That was my personal present for me from myself for christmas)

Tim

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Tim Nikias wrote:
> I got that one during the initial few rows (max_trace was too low for the planes),
so
> I've
> spotted the error early on. It's now set to 256, which should be sufficient for all
> reflections taking
> place on woman and ocean.

Actually for 70 planes something like 75 should work for sure (since the planes are
not reflective), but if your system can handle that without problems... :)

> Does anyone know why the max_trace has been limited to 256? No big room for
hundreds of
> planes there...

Higher values can lead to unpredictable crashes on Windows systems. Since it seems
that many users reported this as a bug (which truly is a system limitation) the
POV-Team decided to place a roof.

> Oh, another thing. The REAL final render uses 70 planes spread of 400 POV-Units
worth of
> height
> and definetely look good!

Can't wait to see it.

> And tracing is not too bad either: Finishes in roughly 40 mins on a 1.4 GHZ Athlon
with
> 512 MB RAM...
> (That was my personal present for me from myself for christmas)

You're very fond of yourself. ;)

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Regarding the max_trace, JRG wrote:

>
> Actually for 70 planes something like 75 should work for sure (since the planes are
> not reflective), but if your system can handle that without problems... :)
>

It can, and as mentioned in the docs: Max-Trace has only an effect if really required
by
the scene. Perhaps it is on some spots where reflection goes nuts on the woman...

>
> Can't wait to see it.
>

Have a look at www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights/index.html , you'll find the finished
version in the gallery with some explanations on the making.

>
> You're very fond of yourself. ;)
>

Not that much, but yes, I like it. Parsing and Tracing have increased significantly
after

switching from 256 MB Ram with 800 MHZ Athlon to the new one (about threefold), and
especially images like these are only endurable to make because lowres versions (with
some objects switched off) don't take hours. It's a real improvement, and helps me
going
on with my hobby... ;)

Tim

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Tim Nikias wrote:
> Have a look at www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights/index.html , you'll find the
finished
> version in the gallery with some explanations on the making.

Definitely a work you can be proud of. :)

> > You're very fond of yourself. ;)
> >
>
> Not that much, but yes, I like it. Parsing and Tracing have increased significantly
after
> switching from 256 MB Ram with 800 MHZ Athlon to the new one (about threefold), and
> especially images like these are only endurable to make because lowres versions
(with
> some objects switched off) don't take hours. It's a real improvement, and helps me
going
> on with my hobby... ;)

I would be still using my good old P 90, if only it hadn't decided to leave me last
year.
But yeah, Athlon has improved my POV-life quality.

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"Tim Nikias" wrote:
> Have a look at www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights/index.html
> you'll find the finished version in the gallery with some
> explanations on the making.

This is a very beautiful image!

I don't personally think it expresses warmth as you write it was your
intention, but I don't think that's a bad thing.

You have great artistic skill - keep up the good work!

Rune
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"Tim Nikias" <Tim### [at] gmxde> wrote in message
news:3C36E19E.CFF497C3@gmx.de...
> So, after various comments, I worked a little more on the image, and
> this is
> the final version. You may comment again, of course!

Amazing!  The piece just seems very serene...I like it!  I'm looking forward
to more of your work.

Your site is now bookmarked, btw :-)

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>
> Definitely a work you can be proud of. :)
>

Thank you! It's something I don't hear that often from someone nearby...

Tim

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>
> This is a very beautiful image!
>
>

Thanks!

> I don't personally think it expresses warmth as you write it was your
> intention, but I don't think that's a bad thing.
>

I think, the expression changed during the creation process, but I think
the title "Tranquility" still somehow fits...

>
> You have great artistic skill - keep up the good work!
>

Thanks again for the first part, regarding the second: I will.

Tim

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>
> Amazing!  The piece just seems very serene...I like it!  I'm looking forward
> to more of your work.
>

Thank you!

>
> Your site is now bookmarked, btw :-)
>

Now that's an improvement the site I had hoped for: being bookmarked by someone.

(I really mean it, that's no kidding there)

Tim

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I like the heart in take 2 better... I like the deeper color here but i liked
the simple un-rounded shape before... Like Jell-O squares... =]
Did you make this model or did she come from another artist... ??
Are any of the source codes posted from your animation's shown on your web
site... Very nice work here... =]

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> I like the heart in take 2 better... I like the deeper color here but i liked
> the simple un-rounded shape before... Like Jell-O squares... =]

I liked it better at first, but now it sort of has more "volume", like being of
greater,
"heavier" importance.

> Did you make this model or did she come from another artist... ??
>

Well, it's a Poser4 Modell, converted for POVRay, 9 MB size, so I won't
put it up for download. But I positioned her, so you might say that I was
the artist... ;)

> Are any of the source codes posted from your animation's shown on your web
> site... Very nice work here... =]

Not yet. The animations found there are all (as of yet) made with the
Particle-System
I wrote for POVRay. It's not fully functional and finished yet, and the help
needs some
work as well, but it'll be found there (hopefully someday soon).

Tim

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This is a nice picture. I checked out your website, and I too am looking forward
to checking out your particle system when it is ready.

I didn't vote when you last asked, but I like the idea of the heart.
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well i think it matches the model in its smoothness but everything now days is so
round... It was a nice contrast... Not a big deal tho i suppose...

Well done all around... =]

Hope the particle work is done soon i looks promising... Keep it up... =]

Tim Nikias wrote:

> > I like the heart in take 2 better... I like the deeper color here but i liked
> > the simple un-rounded shape before... Like Jell-O squares... =]
>
> I liked it better at first, but now it sort of has more "volume", like being of
> greater,
> "heavier" importance.
>
> > Did you make this model or did she come from another artist... ??
> >
>
> Well, it's a Poser4 Modell, converted for POVRay, 9 MB size, so I won't
> put it up for download. But I positioned her, so you might say that I was
> the artist... ;)
>
> > Are any of the source codes posted from your animation's shown on your web
> > site... Very nice work here... =]
>
> Not yet. The animations found there are all (as of yet) made with the
> Particle-System
> I wrote for POVRay. It's not fully functional and finished yet, and the help
> needs some
> work as well, but it'll be found there (hopefully someday soon).
>
> Tim

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Great image, I like it


Tim Nikias wrote:

> So, after various comments, I worked a little more on the image, and
> this is
> the final version. You may comment again, of course!
> 
> Due to the file-size (9 MB mesh for the woman, 100 KB for heightfield)
> I won't post it here, nor on my homepage
> (www.digitaltwilight.de/no_lights/index.htm),
> but you may find a high-res (1024x512, JPG, near-lossless compression
> factor of 1)
> there. Though this one is smaller in filesize, I don't think it has any
> loss in quality.
> 
> The sky was now created with the planes-stacking technique using 20
> planes.
> I've lowered her buttocks a bit into the water (as mentioned by
> someone), but
> I didn't change the texture of the heart too much. After all, she is
> made of something
> near metal, whereas the heart is supposed to be something fragile, like
> glass, and
> thus is transparent. I made it a little rounder though, and a deeper red
> for contrast.
> 
> Hope you all like it,
> 
> Tim
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

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>
> Well done all around... =]
>

Thanks again!

>
> Hope the particle work is done soon i looks promising... Keep it up... =]
>

Well, it looks like it's going through some final stages while I'm doing an
extensive test (in order to use it for an IRTC-entry). I've found some
missing parts, so some more coding has turned up!

Tim

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> This is a nice picture. I checked out your website, and I too am looking forward
> to checking out your particle system when it is ready.
>

This may still take some time (I guess at least a few weeks), but I'll release
a beta pretty soon, at least I hope so.
Definition of "Hope":
-still slap some code together
-slap a "little" help file (to get started) together
-create "huge" comments for scene-examples

Tim

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> Great image, I like it
>

Thanks!

Tim

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