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From: Ian Witham
Subject: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 11:34:43
Message: <39a54093@news.povray.org>
Drool..... anyway-- comments and suggestions appreciated as always :-)

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From: Ian Witham
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 11:38:57
Message: <39a54191@news.povray.org>
BTW, I was drooling over the room, not the old dude with the glow-stick...

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> Drool..... anyway-- comments and suggestions appreciated as always :-)
>
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From: Ian Witham
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 11:41:43
Message: <39a54237@news.povray.org>
Although drooling over ones own interior design is pretty gay as well --
okay I'll shut up now

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From: Christoph Hormann
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 11:44:03
Message: <39A542EE.6C93717B@schunter.etc.tu-bs.de>
Ian Witham wrote:
> 
> BTW, I was drooling over the room, not the old dude with the glow-stick...
> 

ROFL 

How about making it darker so that the room is mainly illuminated by the film
(as in the real cinema).

BTW, you should consider watching all your films in a raytraced theater ;-)

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From: Kevin Jackson-Mead
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 11:46:56
Message: <39A542F6.885E636D@mindspring.com>
Looks nice.  Kinda dark (which is what a theater should be), so I can't
quite make out the furniture.  Is that a table next to the couch(?) ?
What would be really neat is to actually see the projection coming through
the room, but you might have to make it a bit darker to achieve the right
effect.

Kevin Jackson-Mead
http://www.mindspring.com/~jacksonmead

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> Drool..... anyway-- comments and suggestions appreciated as always :-)
>
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From: Ian Witham
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 11:51:50
Message: <39a54496@news.povray.org>
"Christoph Hormann" <Chr### [at] schunteretctu-bsde> wrote in
message news:39A542EE.6C93717B@schunter.etc.tu-bs.de...
> How about making it darker so that the room is mainly illuminated by the
film
> (as in the real cinema).

Maybe someone can help me with that-- in my tests I removed all light
sources, I left the screen ambient 1, and everything else ambient 0.  Using
defualt megapov radiosity the screen illuminated precisely nothing... how
can I make it cast a glow??

> BTW, you should consider watching all your films in a raytraced theater
;-)

I was telling my brother how I was going to ray-trace a massive hi-fi system
with giants 30 inch subwoofers etc.. and he talked me out of it, saying no
matter how well I modelled it, it would never produce sound.

I guess he was right, but you know you've been raytrcing too long when....

Ian


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From: Ian Witham
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 11:56:45
Message: <39a545bd@news.povray.org>
"Kevin Jackson-Mead" <jac### [at] mindspringcom> wrote in message
news:39A542F6.885E636D@mindspring.com...
> Looks nice.  Kinda dark (which is what a theater should be), so I can't
> quite make out the furniture.  Is that a table next to the couch(?) ?

Thanks! Yes, there's a little round table of my own design... being orange
against a red background probably doesn't help matters.

> What would be really neat is to actually see the projection coming through
> the room, but you might have to make it a bit darker to achieve the right
> effect.

I actually designed it with sort of a futuristic plasma screen in mind... If
you look carefully you can make out the little red light indicating that
it's "on"


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From: Spock
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 12:08:19
Message: <39a54873$1@news.povray.org>
You might want to move from stereo to 5.1 surround
sound, and perhaps provide seating for two (might be
a big chair for two to curl up in...)

My personal taste would run to more futuristic looking
speakers.  Perhaps spheres suspended from the ceiling
instead of the big-box look.  And the blue cloth is not
what I would choose.

Hey, you asked for comments :-)  Nice work!

"Ian Witham" <ian### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:39a54093@news.povray.org...
> Drool..... anyway-- comments and suggestions appreciated as always :-)
>
> --
>
> Ian
>
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From: Tom Melly
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 12:13:05
Message: <39a54991@news.povray.org>
"Ian Witham" <ian### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:39a54496@news.povray.org...
> "Christoph Hormann" <Chr### [at] schunteretctu-bsde> wrote in
> message news:39A542EE.6C93717B@schunter.etc.tu-bs.de...
> > How about making it darker so that the room is mainly illuminated by the
> film
> > (as in the real cinema).
>
> Maybe someone can help me with that-- in my tests I removed all light
> sources, I left the screen ambient 1, and everything else ambient 0.
Using
> defualt megapov radiosity the screen illuminated precisely nothing... how
> can I make it cast a glow??
>

Hmm, IMHO if you are using radiosity, then ambient should be turned off
globally (since ambient is essentially fake radiosity). It certainly won't
contribute to radiosity.

How about going the whole hog - basically fake a projector and project your
image at your screen?


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From: Ian Witham
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 12:22:58
Message: <39a54be2@news.povray.org>
"Tom Melly" <tom### [at] tomandlucouk> wrote in message
news:39a54991@news.povray.org...
> "Ian Witham" <ian### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
> news:39a54496@news.povray.org...
> > Maybe someone can help me with that-- in my tests I removed all light
> > sources, I left the screen ambient 1, and everything else ambient 0.
> Using
> > defualt megapov radiosity the screen illuminated precisely nothing...
how
> > can I make it cast a glow??
> >
>
> Hmm, IMHO if you are using radiosity, then ambient should be turned off
> globally (since ambient is essentially fake radiosity). It certainly won't
> contribute to radiosity.

Yeah I know.. but how else can I give it that backlit look?  ambient works
but doesn't cast a glow, so I'm still stuck!

> How about going the whole hog - basically fake a projector and project
your
> image at your screen?

Because it's not a projection, it's a flat plasma screen :-)



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From: Ian Witham
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 12:29:47
Message: <39a54d7b@news.povray.org>
"Spock" <spo### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
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> You might want to move from stereo to 5.1 surround
> sound,

:-)  I was waiting for someone to say that, lets just say theres 2 speakers
behind you and one behind the screen that you can't see.

> and perhaps provide seating for two (might be
> a big chair for two to curl up in...)

If guests arrive I can produce extra seating at the push of a button.. well
a few buttons anyway (object {sofa})

> My personal taste would run to more futuristic looking
> speakers.  Perhaps spheres suspended from the ceiling
> instead of the big-box look.  And the blue cloth is not
> what I would choose.
>
> Hey, you asked for comments :-)  Nice work!

Thanks!
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From: ryan constantine
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 13:09:08
Message: <39A556B0.1989ED5@yahoo.com>
if it's a plasma display, there can't be a speaker behind it.

Ian Witham wrote:
> 
> "Spock" <spo### [at] nospamcom> wrote in message
> news:39a54873$1@news.povray.org...
> > You might want to move from stereo to 5.1 surround
> > sound,
> 
> :-)  I was waiting for someone to say that, lets just say theres 2 speakers
> behind you and one behind the screen that you can't see.
> 
> > and perhaps provide seating for two (might be
> > a big chair for two to curl up in...)
> 
> If guests arrive I can produce extra seating at the push of a button.. well
> a few buttons anyway (object {sofa})
> 
> > My personal taste would run to more futuristic looking
> > speakers.  Perhaps spheres suspended from the ceiling
> > instead of the big-box look.  And the blue cloth is not
> > what I would choose.
> >
> > Hey, you asked for comments :-)  Nice work!
> 
> Thanks!
> --
> 
> Ian
> 
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From: Ian Witham
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 13:13:42
Message: <39a557c6@news.povray.org>
"ryan constantine" <rco### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
news:39A### [at] yahoocom...
> if it's a plasma display, there can't be a speaker behind it.

There's no fooling some people ;-)


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From: ryan constantine
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 13:15:16
Message: <39A55820.D1CB4DAA@yahoo.com>
sorry to say this, but the sound in that room would be pretty bad.  the
walls need either a different shape or something on them to help the
sound or not get in its way.  you may have noticed that most theaters
have curtains covering the walls nearly completely.  other theaters have
nice oval shapes and/or saw tooth wall and ceilings.  the reason of
course is accoustics.  plain, flat walls bounce sound too much.  also,
if you take a look at Home Theater Interiors magazine, you'll find that
most high end rooms have all the speakers recessed.  and there is
usually only indirect lighting from wall sconces or alcoves.  real
theater chairs and loveseats are also common although sofas are too. 
good start though.

Ian Witham wrote:
> 
> Drool..... anyway-- comments and suggestions appreciated as always :-)
> 
> --
> 
> Ian
> 
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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 13:39:39
Message: <chrishuff-29A450.12410524082000@news.povray.org>
In article <39A### [at] yahoocom>, ryan constantine 
<rco### [at] yahoocom> wrote:

> if it's a plasma display, there can't be a speaker behind it.

Why not?
Oh well...make it a printed organic LED screen...attach a piezoelectric 
driver to the back, and the display could *be* the speaker. Sound would 
likely be horrible though, and the vibrating display would probably give 
people headaches.

BTW, has there been any recent progress with OLED technology? It looked 
very promising when I first read about it(low power consumption, low 
manufacturing cost, the ability to cheaply print them on many different 
surfaces, such as flexible, transparent plastic or glass, high 
resolution, short response time, etc.), but I haven't seen much more 
about it...

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From: Mike
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 15:05:00
Message: <39a571dc$1@news.povray.org>
How about a library of DVDs and Videos along the wall?
And a 'bar' recessed into the other wall?
and a nice big sofa  in the middle with pillows - and some speakers in the
corners?
"Ian Witham" <ian### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:39a54093@news.povray.org...
> Drool..... anyway-- comments and suggestions appreciated as always :-)
>
> --
>
> Ian
>
> Inkwell: Ian's Homepage
> http://www.topcities.com/cartoon/inkwell/index.htm
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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 16:08:55
Message: <39A57EB2.2BC0CCB8@faricy.net>
Where's the DVD player / stereo equipment? Where's the big rack of movies?

Come on, those speakers are piddily...
;-)

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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 16:09:41
Message: <39a58105@news.povray.org>
"Ian Witham" <ian### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
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|
| how else can I give it that backlit look?  ambient works
| but doesn't cast a glow

Seems you might need media in that room then, and turn diffuse way up over
1.  The MegaPov radiosity uses the diffuse amount and not the ambient
amount.  Add 'media on' in the radiosity statement.  Not sure if you'll ever
be able to get anything substantial without wrecking the rest of the scene.

Bob


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From: ZeroBlue
Subject: SV: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 17:59:14
Message: <39a59ab2@news.povray.org>
> Drool..... anyway-- comments and suggestions appreciated as always :-)
> --
> Ian

Nice, any script/program available for those plants?

/R


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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 18:31:29
Message: <chrishuff-089A05.17325424082000@news.povray.org>
In article <39a58105@news.povray.org>, "Bob Hughes" 
<per### [at] aolcom?subject=PoV-News:> wrote:

> Seems you might need media in that room then, and turn diffuse way up 
> over 1. 

I don't think media would be necessary just to get light emitted from 
the screen...


> The MegaPov radiosity uses the diffuse amount and not the ambient 
> amount. 

Actually, it uses the diffuse amount for the amount radiosity 
contributes to the lighting of the object, but still uses the ambient 
value for the amount of light from the object itself. You usually do a 
glowing object by giving it a high ambient, though you should use 
ambient 0 for non-glowing objects.
The old radiosity used the ambient value for the amount of radiosity 
applied to the object, so ambient 0 meant that no radiosity would be 
used for the object. This is what was changed in the new radiosity.


> Add 'media on' in the radiosity statement.

Why?

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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 19:37:50
Message: <39A5B139.C8ADE95@pacbell.net>
Ian Witham wrote:
> 
> Drool..... anyway-- comments and suggestions appreciated as always :-)

What, no popcorn ?

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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 22:03:04
Message: <39a5d3d8$1@news.povray.org>
"Chris Huff" <chr### [at] maccom> wrote in message
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|
| > The MegaPov radiosity uses the diffuse amount and not the ambient
| > amount.
|
| Actually, it uses the diffuse amount for the amount radiosity
| contributes to the lighting of the object, but still uses the ambient
| value for the amount of light from the object itself. You usually do a
| glowing object by giving it a high ambient, though you should use
| ambient 0 for non-glowing objects.
| The old radiosity used the ambient value for the amount of radiosity
| applied to the object, so ambient 0 meant that no radiosity would be
| used for the object. This is what was changed in the new radiosity.

Thanks for clearing that up.

| > Add 'media on' in the radiosity statement.
|
| Why?

Because it says to in the Doc I guess is why.  I just try to follow the
instructions :-)

Bob


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From: Ian Witham
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 22:19:21
Message: <39a5d7a9@news.povray.org>
I used Andrew Clinton's SplineTree which is at http://povplace.addr.com/

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"ZeroBlue" <zer### [at] swipnetse> wrote in message
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> Nice, any script/program available for those plants?
>
> /R
>
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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 24 Aug 2000 22:43:34
Message: <chrishuff-CA3D49.21450024082000@news.povray.org>
In article <39a5d3d8$1@news.povray.org>, "Bob Hughes" 
<per### [at] aolcom?subject=PoV-News:> wrote:

> Because it says to in the Doc I guess is why.  I just try to follow the
> instructions :-)

You only need it if you use media and want radiosity to calculate media 
effects. Otherwise, it shouldn't have any effect.

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From: Ken Matassa
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 25 Aug 2000 00:30:53
Message: <39A5F12A.2941@pacbell.net>
Ken wrote:
> 
> What, no popcorn ?
> 

It's popping in the kitchen. Can't you smell the butter?

Ken Matassa


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From: Jérôme Berger
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 25 Aug 2000 04:38:00
Message: <39A63068.8F86CD01@enst.fr>
Ian Witham wrote:
> 
> Yeah I know.. but how else can I give it that backlit look?  ambient works
> but doesn't cast a glow, so I'm still stuck!
> 
	If by "doesn't cast a glow" you mean that it doesn't light the rest of
your scene, you should either use a higher ambient or increase the
radiosity brightness (higher ambient is the more realistic solution). If
you mean that you want a glow effect around your screen, then media is
the way to go (either scattering and media on though I don't know if it
works and in any case it'll be very slow or emitting).

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From: Børge Berg-Olsen
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 25 Aug 2000 08:29:19
Message: <39A6667A.1A948422@dod.no>
Ian Witham wrote:
> 
> Drool..... anyway-- comments and suggestions appreciated as always :-)

Hmm, where is the 12" subwoofers, the rear speakers, the side arrays and
stuff. I bet it's not even THX rated... sheesh. If you can't do it
properly, don't do it at all. :-)

Nah, just kidding! Great idea for an idea, and the image isn't too bad
either.

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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 25 Aug 2000 16:06:42
Message: <39A6CFAB.3C6CF6EC@faricy.net>
Børge Berg-Olsen wrote:

> Hmm, where is the 12" subwoofers, the rear speakers, the side arrays and
> stuff. I bet it's not even THX rated... sheesh. If you can't do it
> properly, don't do it at all. :-)

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From: Eric Freeman
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 27 Aug 2000 16:48:19
Message: <39a97e93@news.povray.org>
WARNING!!!  Ray tracing home theaters can become an obsession.  Here's my
real home theater, which I never finished (but I came real close).

http://www.datasync.com/~ericfree/graphics/dls/dls.html

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From: Ian Witham
Subject: Re: Fantasy home theater
Date: 27 Aug 2000 21:42:17
Message: <39a9c379@news.povray.org>
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"Eric Freeman" <eri### [at] datasynccom> wrote in message
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> WARNING!!!  Ray tracing home theaters can become an obsession.  Here's my
> real home theater, which I never finished (but I came real close).
>
> http://www.datasync.com/~ericfree/graphics/dls/dls.html
>
> --
> Eric

I can't believe you're allowed to smoke in the house.

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