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From: John VanSickle
Subject: BMP format
Date: 4 Oct 2000 08:20:21
Message: <39DB2085.FACFC1AE@erols.com>
Can the server be configured to reject attachments with the BMP
extension?


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From: Jérôme Berger
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 4 Oct 2000 09:56:44
Message: <39DB371D.58915BC0@enst.fr>
John VanSickle wrote:
> 
> Can the server be configured to reject attachments with the BMP
> extension?
	Or could the maximum file size be lowered? Is there such a limit right
now? How much is it?

		Jérôme
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From: Ken
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 4 Oct 2000 10:48:33
Message: <39DB4238.F8F0623C@pacbell.net>
Jérôme Berger wrote:
> 
> John VanSickle wrote:
> >
> > Can the server be configured to reject attachments with the BMP
> > extension?

I don't know off had without consulting with Mr. Cason about it.
Might be possible but likey not worth the hassle.

>         Or could the maximum file size be lowered? Is there such a limit right
> now? How much is it?

The following is based on some actual knowlege of the server while
other parts are educated guesses:

The server currently imposes a 1 meg limit on all messages. This number
could be adjusted on a group by group basis but I think at the moment
it is a global setting for all of the groups. If lowered it would likely
impact the binaries.animations group whose files sizes are generally
much larger than in this group.

I personally don't see a need for a change at the moment. I believe
that peer pressure works well and most people do not make the same
mistake once being informed of the problem.

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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 5 Oct 2000 08:36:35
Message: <39DC7492.16B4CD84@my-dejanews.com>
If we're going to get fussy about it, how about also knocking out PNG's
and all animations other than MPG-1?

John VanSickle wrote:

> Can the server be configured to reject attachments with the BMP
> extension?


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From: Jan Walzer
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 5 Oct 2000 09:35:38
Message: <39dc83aa@news.povray.org>
"Greg M. Johnson" <gre### [at] my-dejanewscom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:39DC7492.16B4CD84@my-dejanews.com...
> If we're going to get fussy about it, how about also knocking out PNG's
> and all animations other than MPG-1?
>
What is wrong with PNG ???
isn't it better than GIF if you don't want a lossy compression ???
mostly it is  as good as PNG AFAIK ...


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From: Tom Melly
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 5 Oct 2000 10:46:54
Message: <39dc945e$1@news.povray.org>
"Jan Walzer" <j.w### [at] itcampusde> wrote in message
news:39dc83aa@news.povray.org...
>
> "Greg M. Johnson" <gre### [at] my-dejanewscom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:39DC7492.16B4CD84@my-dejanews.com...
> > If we're going to get fussy about it, how about also knocking out PNG's
> > and all animations other than MPG-1?
> >
> What is wrong with PNG ???
> isn't it better than GIF if you don't want a lossy compression ???
> mostly it is  as good as PNG AFAIK ...
>

I assumed he was being ironic sans smileys - maybe not. BTW I assume you
mean jpg, not gif (gif isn't lossy, except in the sense of being only 256
colours - a gif opened and repeatedly re-saved doesn't degrade, a jpg
does*).

* something I wish I'd known three years ago.


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From: Josh English
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 5 Oct 2000 10:59:57
Message: <39DC976C.35E15178@spiritone.com>
The closest thing to a problem I have with png is that Nescape doesn't
display a png file in the message window like it will with jpg. I have to
click on it and lose the message.

Josh

Jan Walzer wrote:

> "Greg M. Johnson" <gre### [at] my-dejanewscom> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:39DC7492.16B4CD84@my-dejanews.com...
> > If we're going to get fussy about it, how about also knocking out PNG's
> > and all animations other than MPG-1?
> >
> What is wrong with PNG ???
> isn't it better than GIF if you don't want a lossy compression ???
> mostly it is  as good as PNG AFAIK ...

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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 5 Oct 2000 13:07:59
Message: <39DCB42D.82BE9596@my-dejanews.com>
Josh English wrote:

> The closest thing to a problem I have with png is that Nescape doesn't
> display a png file in the message window like it will with jpg. I have to
> click on it and lose the message.

I think it actually has to load the Quicktime plug-in.  And for me, I cannot
scroll up and down on an image which is larger than my small window, as was the
case with today's "Emoti-Pov".   It all boils down to that Dilbert cartoon
where the girder has fallen on one employee's head and Catbert reminds him,
"Nobody else is complaining."  It's just like the html issue.


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From: Warp
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 6 Oct 2000 03:07:33
Message: <39dd7a35@news.povray.org>
Josh English <eng### [at] spiritonecom> wrote:
: The closest thing to a problem I have with png is that Nescape doesn't
: display a png file in the message window like it will with jpg. I have to
: click on it and lose the message.

  Strange, here it shows it normally, as any jpg or gif.

  It may be that
  a) You have it wrongly configured
  b) Netscape for Solaris is after all that different from Netscape for
Windows (or are you using Linux? Anyways). It wouldn't be the only difference.

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From: Jérôme Berger
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 6 Oct 2000 04:17:58
Message: <39DD8AB6.4293343B@enst.fr>
Warp wrote:
> 
>   b) Netscape for Solaris is after all that different from Netscape for
> Windows (or are you using Linux? Anyways). It wouldn't be the only difference.
> 
	I have no problem here (Netscape 4.75 for linux) and I had no problem
at school (Netscape 4.08 for Solaris)...

		Jérôme
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From: Philippe Debar
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 6 Oct 2000 08:33:45
Message: <39ddc6a9@news.povray.org>
"Greg M. Johnson" <gre### [at] my-dejanewscom> wrote in message
news:39DCB42D.82BE9596@my-dejanews.com...
> Josh English wrote:
>
> > The closest thing to a problem I have with png is that Nescape doesn't
> > display a png file in the message window like it will with jpg. I have
to
> > click on it and lose the message.
>
> I think it actually has to load the Quicktime plug-in.  And for me, I
cannot
> scroll up and down on an image which is larger than my small window, as
was the
> case with today's "Emoti-Pov".   It all boils down to that Dilbert cartoon
> where the girder has fallen on one employee's head and Catbert reminds
him,
> "Nobody else is complaining."  It's just like the html issue.

Sorry about Emoti-Pov png... but jpg didn't like that image (sharp
transition and near pure red, green, blue). I have no problem seeing it with
Outlook Express. Nonetheless I will mind that Netscape has some problems
with this great format. I think some programs have (had?) problems with gif
too... is this right?


Povingly,

Philippe


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From: Alf Peake
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 7 Oct 2000 19:03:47
Message: <39dfabd3@news.povray.org>
I have a 280*210 82k png due for upload. It has single pixel reds and
greens that are killed with lowest jpeg compression. What format would
you suggest?

Alf

Greg M. Johnson <gre### [at] my-dejanewscom> wrote in message
news:39DC7492.16B4CD84@my-dejanews.com...
> If we're going to get fussy about it, how about also knocking out
PNG's
> and all animations other than MPG-1?
>
> John VanSickle wrote:
>
> > Can the server be configured to reject attachments with the BMP
> > extension?
>


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From: Steve
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 7 Oct 2000 21:52:34
Message: <slrn8tvjrd.sro.steve@zero-pps.localdomain>
On Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:45:42 +0100, Alf Peake wrote:
>I have a 280*210 82k png due for upload. It has single pixel reds and
>greens that are killed with lowest jpeg compression. What format would
>you suggest?

PNG would probably be best for that, I don't have a problem with PNG, though
some people do. 

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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 7 Oct 2000 22:02:25
Message: <39DFD357.AE9A91AC@faricy.net>
Steve wrote:

> PNG would probably be best for that, I don't have a problem with PNG, though
> some people do.

I don't have a problem with PNG, it's an excellent format. I have a problem with
Nutscrape. :(
Stupid POS diplays them inline if they're in HTML, but uses the plugin if
they're attached, and the Edit button is grayed out for the association.

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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 12 Oct 2000 09:11:23
Message: <39E5B737.5BF584B3@my-dejanews.com>
My point in the whole affair was that those who say, "Let heads roll," usually
aren't safe for long themselves.
PNG is a very minor inconvenience to me.
There are a bunch of eclectic video formats that people keep dredging up, forcing
some of us to either pass them by or slop through a bunch of bleeding edge codecs.

David Fontaine wrote:

> Steve wrote:
>
> > PNG would probably be best for that, I don't have a problem with PNG, though
> > some people do.
>
> I don't have a problem with PNG, it's an excellent format. I have a problem with
> Nutscrape. :(
> Stupid POS diplays them inline if they're in HTML, but uses the plugin if
> they're attached, and the Edit button is grayed out for the association.
>
> --
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From: Matt Giwer
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 15 Oct 2000 18:45:47
Message: <39EA33A4.CC97BEC4@ij.net>
John VanSickle wrote:
> 
> Can the server be configured to reject attachments with the BMP
> extension?

	As they say, anything can be done. I have never done it but it could be
scanned after received for the string "anything.bmp" and erase the post.
That can be beaten if someone wants to so the right way to do it would
be to search for the identifier of a BMP type graphic which servers and
browsers already do. 

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From: Matt Giwer
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 15 Oct 2000 18:47:30
Message: <39EA340D.E5D6CA54@ij.net>
"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:

> If we're going to get fussy about it, how about also knocking out PNG's
> and all animations other than MPG-1?

	Don't know about IE but NS 4.75 now handles PNG format. That is worth
the upgrade. 
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From: Matt Giwer
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 15 Oct 2000 18:48:52
Message: <39EA345F.771F87E9@ij.net>
Josh English wrote:
> 
> The closest thing to a problem I have with png is that Nescape doesn't
> display a png file in the message window like it will with jpg. I have to
> click on it and lose the message.

	4.75 does. 

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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: BMP format
Date: 15 Oct 2000 21:58:20
Message: <39EA5E3A.6E0B7255@faricy.net>
Matt Giwer wrote:

> "Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
>
> > If we're going to get fussy about it, how about also knocking out PNG's
> > and all animations other than MPG-1?
>
>         Don't know about IE but NS 4.75 now handles PNG format. That is worth
> the upgrade.

Yup! Even though it was several megs...

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