Back with it again, this time it's got a picture of itself over the mantel.
Although radiosity messes up the fire and log textures it makes the room look
so much better I can't do without it.  Wonder if I could manage to cut&paste
in a non-radiosity fire/logs.  I might do that.
You'll notice the fire still looks fairly jagged-point like, as someone has
noticed before.  I want to get a more rolling flame look to it, maybe I can
stumble upon that later.  Enjoy the warmth in the meantime.
Oh, btw, I came across a VRML file of a fireplace at a builders/sculptors
webpage.  Thought maybe I had seen it before but I couldn't get the *.wrl file
to open here.  For the curious: http://www.stonecarver.com/VRML/fireplace.wrl

Bob
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On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 03:49:53 -0500 "Bob Hughes"
<per### [at] aolcom?subject=PoV-News:> wrote:

>Back with it again, this time it's got a picture of itself over the mantel.

  Interesting, Bob, but I can no longer see the radiosity interaction of
the objects on the mantel and the wall. Bob, is it just me or is your
image a bit on the dark side? Maybe our gammas are set differently but I
lose a lot of detail on the right side of the picture.

>Although radiosity messes up the fire and log textures it makes the room look
>so much better I can't do without it.

  I don't know that it messes it up - I think it just masks all the work
you put into the textures because of the interaction of light on them.
I'd keep the radiosity.

>You'll notice the fire still looks fairly jagged-point like, as someone has
>noticed before.  I want to get a more rolling flame look to it, maybe I can
>stumble upon that later.

  Hmm, okay... it looks fine to me. Fireplace fire is such a dynamic
thing, always changing. Not static like a candle flame. Also depends on
whether the fire has just been started or the logs are *really* up in
smoke from burning for an hour or more. If you think it needs
improvement then I'm curious to see what you come up with.

  Ever consider adding fireplace tools in a stand?

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Alan Kong wrote:
> Bob, is it just me or is your
> image a bit on the dark side? Maybe our gammas are set differently but I
> lose a lot of detail on the right side of the picture.

I'm viewing it on a calibrated gamma 2.2 monitor and it looks just
right.
Maybe right adjustments will bring light
http://hammer.prohosting.com/~kkivisal/adjust.gif

K.K.

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Fire and wood look really great now, only the logs seem built up by some very
painstaking person... ;-)

You changed the bricks inside the fireplace: it gives much more depth, but IMO
the corners of the single bricks are a bit to sharp now.

And: Your "image in the image" should have real recursion :-)

Christoph

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Now that's fire! Way to go, Bob!

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"Kari Kivisalo" <kar### [at] kivisalonet> wrote in message
news:3959CEFF.5280FC78@kivisalo.net...
| Alan Kong wrote:
| > Bob, is it just me or is your
| > image a bit on the dark side? Maybe our gammas are set differently but I
| > lose a lot of detail on the right side of the picture.
|
| I'm viewing it on a calibrated gamma 2.2 monitor and it looks just
| right.
| Maybe right adjustments will bring light
| http://hammer.prohosting.com/~kkivisal/adjust.gif

That crossed my mind more than once while making such a scene with bright
flames and darker surroundings.
It's just a dark scene to start with, being lit only by a very dim light
intended to be something like twilight shining in through a window or
something and the rest is only firelight which didn't brighten things up much.
The "room" is a closed box of approx. 30W by 10H by 18.5D units and fireplace
is 6W by 4H by 5D.
I might be forced to quit the fire changes (getting nowhere but worse) and
begin on the other parts, fireplace tools being one, along with spark screen
and whatever else I might change about the appearance.

Bob

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"Christoph Hormann" <Chr### [at] schunteretctu-bsde> wrote in message
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|
| And: Your "image in the image" should have real recursion :-)

Um, but that would mean an image of the same rendering and I don't have the
patience for that.

| You changed the bricks inside the fireplace: it gives much more depth, but
IMO
| the corners of the single bricks are a bit to sharp now.

You're right, and I need to get to work on the other 1/8 of this scene file of
which that is 1/16 of the 1/8.  The firebox is actually all wrong anyhow,
being only a cube with a singular brick texture and layered with soot texture
of course.
I won't post anymore of this until I have it finalized, as they say, or at
least upload it to my web page gallery.
Everyone's comments (doesn't take many) get me thinking and doing more than I
might otherwise try (so I blame you all  ;-))

Bob

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Excellent!

Add perhaps some ashes on the marble plate or a little wight with bucket and
scrubber :-) Wish we had one here ...

Marc-Hendrik

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Superb

Mick

"Bob Hughes" <per### [at] aolcom?subject=PoV-News:> wrote in message
news:3959bc5d@news.povray.org...
> Back with it again, this time it's got a picture of itself over the
mantel.
> Although radiosity messes up the fire and log textures it makes the room
look
> so much better I can't do without it.  Wonder if I could manage to
cut&paste
> in a non-radiosity fire/logs.  I might do that.
> You'll notice the fire still looks fairly jagged-point like, as someone
has
> noticed before.  I want to get a more rolling flame look to it, maybe I
can
> stumble upon that later.  Enjoy the warmth in the meantime.
> Oh, btw, I came across a VRML file of a fireplace at a builders/sculptors
> webpage.  Thought maybe I had seen it before but I couldn't get the *.wrl
file
> to open here.  For the curious:
http://www.stonecarver.com/VRML/fireplace.wrl
>
> Bob
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>
>
>
>

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"Marc-Hendrik Bremer" <Mar### [at] t-onlinede> wrote in message
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| Excellent!
|
| Add perhaps some ashes on the marble plate or a little wight with bucket and
| scrubber :-) Wish we had one here ...

Heh, thanks.  It's so 3D-computer-generated-clean though... really hate to
dirty it up.  I think I might have a "wight" around here from the looks of the
mess I always have.  I looked the word up and of the two definitions I'm
talking about the fighter one, but maybe you meant a hard-working blobwoman
maid.

Bob

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I don't understand why you think the flame is getting worse - the last image
posted had the best flame yet and, IMHO, was one of the better POV flames
I've seen anywhere.

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Thanks a lot but you haven't seen the latest one, it's all going awry.  So...

"Tom Melly" <tom### [at] tomandluf9couk> wrote in message
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| I don't understand why you think the flame is getting worse - the last image
| posted had the best flame yet and, IMHO, was one of the better POV flames
| I've seen anywhere.

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Well, in fact I wanted to talk about (;-)) "Heinzelmänchen", those little
guys, which life in your house for free and make some work for you while you
are asleep. They are mostly harmless, but beware if you make them angry.
This would be the blobwoman then, I think. You know, she is sitting there
just outside the camera angle, and when you come and change the fire, so
that it looks even better than before and you scatter the ashes all around
on the plate, she takes here bucket and scrubber and wipes it all away
before the rendering is finished. :-)

Marc-Hendrik

Bob Hughes schrieb in Nachricht <395a19e5@news.povray.org>...
>"Marc-Hendrik Bremer" <Mar### [at] t-onlinede> wrote in message
>news:395a10a1@news.povray.org...
>| Excellent!
>|
>| Add perhaps some ashes on the marble plate or a little wight with bucket
and
>| scrubber :-) Wish we had one here ...
>
>Heh, thanks.  It's so 3D-computer-generated-clean though... really hate to
>dirty it up.  I think I might have a "wight" around here from the looks of
the
>mess I always have.  I looked the word up and of the two definitions I'm
>talking about the fighter one, but maybe you meant a hard-working blobwoman
>maid.
>
>Bob

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Well, it looks like the containing object for the media just needs to be
enlarged.

"Bob Hughes" <per### [at] aolcom?subject=PoV-News:> wrote in message
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> Thanks a lot but you haven't seen the latest one, it's all going awry.
So...
>

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"Marc-Hendrik Bremer" <Mar### [at] t-onlinede> wrote in message
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| Well, in fact I wanted to talk about (;-)) "Heinzelmänchen", those little
| guys, which life in your house for free and make some work for you while you
| are asleep. They are mostly harmless, but beware if you make them angry.
| This would be the blobwoman then, I think. You know, she is sitting there
| just outside the camera angle, and when you come and change the fire, so
| that it looks even better than before and you scatter the ashes all around
| on the plate, she takes here bucket and scrubber and wipes it all away
| before the rendering is finished. :-)

Yes! That's why!  I already knew about the gremlins in the computer but I
didn't realize they were getting into my scene renders! ;-)
Actually I almost guessed that's what you were saying before but I kept
thinking Wight=wife sounded better, until I checked the dictionary.

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looks much better, like the picture! - maybe have a picture of the fire
place in the picture of the fireplace :)

Rick

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In article <395a1d2c@news.povray.org>, "Bob Hughes" 
<per### [at] aolcom?subject=PoV-News:> wrote:

> Thanks a lot but you haven't seen the latest one, it's all going awry.  

Those flames would look good in a blacksmith's kiln, or maybe a glass 
blowing furnace.

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I like! Maybe frame the fireplace pic...

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On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 13:10:07 +0300 Kari Kivisalo <kar### [at] kivisalonet>
wrote:

>I'm viewing it on a calibrated gamma 2.2 monitor and it looks just
>right.
>Maybe right adjustments will bring light
>http://hammer.prohosting.com/~kkivisal/adjust.gif

  Thanks, Kari. I've retrieved the GIF and will take a better look at it
soon.

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