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From: Mick Hazelgrove
Subject: The Aviary
Date: 26 Feb 2000 14:53:54
Message: <38b82f52@news.povray.org>
Hi

The title says it all, I think...

I had toyed with the idea of using this for an IRTC entry but it hasn't
quite worked out as well as I had hoped. However I've learnt some from it
and played with one or two new ideas.

Mick


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: The Aviary
Date: 26 Feb 2000 15:51:54
Message: <38b83cea@news.povray.org>
Hmm, I have trouble believing those stones could stand that way without
collapsing.  Not that everything has to adhere to structural stability in a
render however.
Nice flora and fauna scene and the colors of orange-brown sky with the greens to
contrast it makes me think of a nearby forest fire type of thing.  Like this
might be a temporary oasis amidst the smoke.

Bob

"Mick Hazelgrove" <mha### [at] mindaswinternetcouk> wrote in message
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| Hi
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| The title says it all, I think...
|
| I had toyed with the idea of using this for an IRTC entry but it hasn't
| quite worked out as well as I had hoped. However I've learnt some from it
| and played with one or two new ideas.
|
| Mick
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From: David Heys
Subject: Re: The Aviary
Date: 26 Feb 2000 17:27:53
Message: <38b85369@news.povray.org>
Dang! Submit it!

And don't listen to Bob about the believability of how the rocks would
stand.. There are many such imposibilities in nature. :{)

David

Mick Hazelgrove <mha### [at] mindaswinternetcouk> wrote in message
news:38b82f52@news.povray.org...
> Hi
>
> The title says it all, I think...
>
> I had toyed with the idea of using this for an IRTC entry but it hasn't
> quite worked out as well as I had hoped. However I've learnt some from it
> and played with one or two new ideas.


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From: H E  Day
Subject: Re: The Aviary
Date: 26 Feb 2000 17:55:18
Message: <38B858C8.83E97675@fci.net>
All of you images are really good.  The only beef I've got with them is that
most all of your backgrounds are too bright, and detract from the overall
scene.
Keep it up!

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From: SamuelT 
Subject: Re: The Aviary
Date: 26 Feb 2000 18:37:22
Message: <38B8662B.97410C7F@aol.com>
A nice, flowing scene. Cool flowers. What's that under the fog? rocks? It's
kind of hard to see, but then again it adds to the mystery of the scene.

Mick Hazelgrove wrote:

> Hi
>
> The title says it all, I think...
>
> I had toyed with the idea of using this for an IRTC entry but it hasn't
> quite worked out as well as I had hoped. However I've learnt some from it
> and played with one or two new ideas.
>
> Mick
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From: Steve
Subject: Re: The Aviary
Date: 26 Feb 2000 23:51:20
Message: <slrn8bhavp.1rj.sjlen@zero-pps.localdomain>
On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:44:36 -0000, Mick Hazelgrove <> wrote:
>Hi
>
>The title says it all, I think...
>
>I had toyed with the idea of using this for an IRTC entry but it hasn't
>quite worked out as well as I had hoped. However I've learnt some from it
>and played with one or two new ideas.

Looks good, tells a story, is on topic, looks real good, 
makes you invent a sotry if you look at it for long enough,
it's going to be my wallpaper.

You should enter this it really is good, more for the 
feel of it rather than the techniques used. 

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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: The Aviary
Date: 27 Feb 2000 05:59:09
Message: <38b9037d@news.povray.org>
"David Heys" <sou### [at] gcinet> wrote in message
news:38b85369@news.povray.org...
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| And don't listen to Bob about the believability of how the rocks would
| stand.. There are many such imposibilities in nature. :{)

Yes, maybe so but I won't stand under them if at all possible (well, maybe not
anyway).

Bob


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From: David Heys
Subject: Re: The Aviary
Date: 27 Feb 2000 15:51:02
Message: <38b98e36@news.povray.org>
Oh, I totally agree.

I don't care if the tour guide says the danged rocks have been magically
resting up there for over a million years. All it takes is a random pebble,
or an eagle dropping a messy surprise from on high for a million years of
entropy to come to an end. I'd rather not be under there when that occurs.
:{)

David

Bob Hughes <omn### [at] hotmailcom?subject=PoV-News:> wrote in message
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> Yes, maybe so but I won't stand under them if at all possible (well, maybe
not
> anyway).


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From: Peter Warren
Subject: Re: The Aviary
Date: 28 Feb 2000 06:00:42
Message: <38ba555a$1@news.povray.org>
Ignore all idiotic comment.

A masterpiece


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From: David Wilkinson
Subject: Re: The Aviary
Date: 28 Feb 2000 06:47:52
Message: <prnkbs41oeb02vh4ee19hco8dnaq4hup5g@4ax.com>
On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 03:01:11 -0800, "Peter Warren" <int### [at] halcyoncom> wrote:

> Ignore all idiotic comment.
>
>A masterpiece
>
I agree!
It's difficult to criticise something so good.  I'm not too sure about the pattern
created
in the sky, but I can live with it and will learn to love it.
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From: Josh English
Subject: Re: The Aviary
Date: 28 Feb 2000 13:16:35
Message: <38BABC04.188F93BC@spiritone.com>
I think it works great! I say enter it anyway. I like it. How did you do
those plants?

Josh

Mick Hazelgrove wrote:

> Hi
>
> The title says it all, I think...
>
> I had toyed with the idea of using this for an IRTC entry but it hasn't
> quite worked out as well as I had hoped. However I've learnt some from it
> and played with one or two new ideas.
>
> Mick
>
> *************************************************************
>        http://www.minda.swinternet.co.uk/index.htm
>
> *************************************************************
>
>  [Image]

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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: The Aviary
Date: 28 Feb 2000 17:35:18
Message: <38BAF77A.425316FC@faricy.net>
David Wilkinson wrote:

> > Ignore all idiotic comment.
> >
> >A masterpiece
> >
> I agree!
> It's difficult to criticise something so good.  I'm not too sure about the pattern
created
> in the sky, but I can live with it and will learn to love it.

I'd say we as POVers recognize the extrodinairy effort of making that level of detail,
but few
of us criticize as artists. If you didn't know anything about Mick or POV or
raytracing and
just saw it in a gallery, would you still like it? (I would, but I'm just saying.)
I think Peter is a tad overbearing in his replies and comes off as weary and blasé,
but I also
think it is good that he is not hesitant to tell someone if he doesn't like their art.

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From: Josh English
Subject: Re: The Aviary
Date: 28 Feb 2000 19:16:46
Message: <38BB1068.F959789E@spiritone.com>
I agree that not all of the people who post and respond have formal art training, but
we respond
in more than terms of the medium. Sure, we say "That media should be darker" because
we know what
it is because we know (or at least can guess) how certain things were done. We comment
on levels
of detail and realism (or surrealism). Actually, it seems that for more complete
scenes we do
comment on it from artistic points of view.
Now the models that H.E. Day and Jay Raney (to name to two that immediately pop to
mind) post
aren't really artistic images. They're models and we comment on them from that respect
and we
leave the art out because it hasn't entered the picture yet (pardon the pun)

Josh

David Fontaine wrote:

> David Wilkinson wrote:
>
> > > Ignore all idiotic comment.
> > >
> > >A masterpiece
> > >
> > I agree!
> > It's difficult to criticise something so good.  I'm not too sure about the pattern
created
> > in the sky, but I can live with it and will learn to love it.
>
> I'd say we as POVers recognize the extrodinairy effort of making that level of
detail, but few
> of us criticize as artists. If you didn't know anything about Mick or POV or
raytracing and
> just saw it in a gallery, would you still like it? (I would, but I'm just saying.)
> I think Peter is a tad overbearing in his replies and comes off as weary and blasé,
but I also
> think it is good that he is not hesitant to tell someone if he doesn't like their
art.
>
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>
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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: The Aviary
Date: 28 Feb 2000 22:35:19
Message: <38BB3DCC.A4D179E0@faricy.net>
Josh English wrote:

> I agree that not all of the people who post and respond have formal art training,
but we respond
> in more than terms of the medium. Sure, we say "That media should be darker" because
we know what
> it is because we know (or at least can guess) how certain things were done. We
comment on levels
> of detail and realism (or surrealism). Actually, it seems that for more complete
scenes we do
> comment on it from artistic points of view.
> Now the models that H.E. Day and Jay Raney (to name to two that immediately pop to
mind) post
> aren't really artistic images. They're models and we comment on them from that
respect and we
> leave the art out because it hasn't entered the picture yet (pardon the pun)

I agree that some of us do respond artistically. But David (the *other* David) said
it's "hard to
criticize something so good." Good modelling, good texturing, good camera work,
whatever, does not
neccessarily make it good art to everyone who views it. Peter just right out called
any criticizism
"idiotic". Now obviously any CG expert can come along and say "Great work!", because
it is, but leave
people to their own artistic interpretations.

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From: David Wilkinson
Subject: Re: The Aviary
Date: 29 Feb 2000 06:30:09
Message: <qdbnbschb3pq8k62mmb73sb4uuij6fbpds@4ax.com>
On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:32:28 -0600, David Fontaine <dav### [at] faricynet> wrote:

>I agree that some of us do respond artistically. But David (the *other* David) said
it's "hard to
>criticize something so good." Good modelling, good texturing, good camera work,
whatever, does not
>neccessarily make it good art to everyone who views it. Peter just right out called
any criticizism
>"idiotic". Now obviously any CG expert can come along and say "Great work!", because
it is, but leave
>people to their own artistic interpretations.

Well I think it is up to the individual to decide what he/she thinks is "idiotic". My
feeling is that Peter was responding instinctively to what he saw as trivial comments
on a
great raytracing.
(I just made an interesting typo there, I called it ratracing :-) Freudian?
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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: The Aviary
Date: 29 Feb 2000 07:24:01
Message: <chrishuff_99-65C24E.07253329022000@news.povray.org>
In article <qdbnbschb3pq8k62mmb73sb4uuij6fbpds@4ax.com>, David 
Wilkinson <dav### [at] cwcomnet> wrote:

> (I just made an interesting typo there, I called it ratracing :-) 
> Freudian?

Hehe, there was a section on the CompuServe forum called "Tray Racing", 
as I remember. I think it had the same purpose as povray.off-topic.

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