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From: TonyB
Subject: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 10 Feb 2000 11:35:40
Message: <38a2e8dc@news.povray.org>
Here you go David and Peter. I left them in the oven last night. :)


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From: TonyB
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 10 Feb 2000 11:37:07
Message: <38a2e933@news.povray.org>
Sorry for the confusion. I meant David and SamuelT.


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From: Phil Clute
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 10 Feb 2000 14:44:53
Message: <38A3156E.70EB6E12@tiac.net>
What? No coffee? What a rip off! :)
-- 
Phil
...coffee?...yes please! extra sugar,extra cream...Thank you.


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From: TonyB
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 10 Feb 2000 17:09:20
Message: <38a33710@news.povray.org>
>What? No coffee? What a rip off! :)

I'm sorry, that's all they ordered. ;)

BTW, is it good, bad, believable, crap?


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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 10 Feb 2000 17:19:04
Message: <38A338F2.9780AC16@faricy.net>
Are the black spots burnt?
I'll have a long-john and a bearclaw too please. And some oj or coffee.

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From: Paul Jones
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 10 Feb 2000 17:22:50
Message: <38A3397F.6DB4D612@psu.edu>
HOw many lumps do you want????

OOOOOHHHHHH threeeeee or fffoooouuuurrrrrr......

(looney tunes ref...)  :-)

-paul

TonyB wrote:
> 
> >What? No coffee? What a rip off! :)
> 
> I'm sorry, that's all they ordered. ;)
> 
> BTW, is it good, bad, believable, crap?

-- 

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307 Chandlee Laboratory
Penn State Chemistry Dept.
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http://glasssgi.chem.psu.edu
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        /  \
       N    N
       |  O |
       C    C
      / \  / \
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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 10 Feb 2000 17:34:13
Message: <chrishuff_99-9F6EDE.17351510022000@news.povray.org>
In article <38A3397F.6DB4D612@psu.edu>, Paul Jones <pdj### [at] psuedu> 
wrote:

> HOw many lumps do you want????

And don't forget the sugar. :-)

(Douglas Adams reference)

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From: Phil Clute
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 10 Feb 2000 18:49:07
Message: <38A34EAC.1F78FE9F@tiac.net>
> BTW, is it good, bad, believable, crap?

Well, after a couple days the powdered sugar starts collecting
moisture and gets sticky. If that's what your shooting for they
look great. Change the name from "Fresh" donuts to "2-Day Old Donuts"
and you'll be all set. :)

-- 
Phil
...coffee?...yes please! extra sugar,extra cream...Thank you.


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From: Peter Warren
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 10 Feb 2000 19:36:03
Message: <38a35973@news.povray.org>
Lemon!!!!!!?????


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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 10 Feb 2000 20:14:08
Message: <chrishuff_99-FD9849.20151010022000@news.povray.org>
In article <38a35973@news.povray.org>, "Peter Warren" 
<int### [at] halcyoncom> wrote:

> Lemon!!!!!!?????

Umm, nothing at all about lemons...
It was a reference to a scene in a book by Douglas Adams, "Dirk Gently's 
Holistic Detective Agency".
Basically, one character was fixing tea for his guest. He was working 
out of sight of the guest, and he asked "One lump or two?", and then he 
asked if he wanted sugar too.
If you don't get it, think about what happens when milk goes bad...


BTW, I usually don't use milk in my coffee and only sometimes use it in 
tea, and never use sugar in either of them.

-- 
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e-mail: chr### [at] yahoocom
Web page: http://chrishuff.dhs.org/


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From: Harold Baize
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 10 Feb 2000 20:32:34
Message: <38a366b2@news.povray.org>
Good, only thing is that they seem too perfect.
Need some way to vary them. Maybe some uneven
scaling that varies between donuts.

Harold

TonyB <ben### [at] panamac-comnet> wrote in message
news:38a33710@news.povray.org...
> >What? No coffee? What a rip off! :)
>
> I'm sorry, that's all they ordered. ;)
>
> BTW, is it good, bad, believable, crap?
>
>


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From: SamuelT 
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 10 Feb 2000 22:33:23
Message: <38A38555.57E0589E@aol.com>
A whooool lahta lummps :)

Paul Jones wrote:

> HOw many lumps do you want????
>
> OOOOOHHHHHH threeeeee or fffoooouuuurrrrrr......
>
> (looney tunes ref...)  :-)
>
> -paul
>
> TonyB wrote:
> >
> > >What? No coffee? What a rip off! :)
> >
> > I'm sorry, that's all they ordered. ;)
> >
> > BTW, is it good, bad, believable, crap?
>
> --
>
> Paul Daniel Jones
> 307 Chandlee Laboratory
> Penn State Chemistry Dept.
> pdj### [at] psuedu
> http://glasssgi.chem.psu.edu
> (814)-865-2090
>
>           C
>         /  \
>        N    N
>        |  O |
>        C    C
>       / \  / \
>   H3C     C    CH3

--
Samuel Benge

E-Mail: STB### [at] aolcom

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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 10 Feb 2000 22:36:28
Message: <38A3838A.2DF77C68@pacbell.net>
"SamuelT." wrote:
> 
> A whooool lahta lummps :)

Snagglepuss ?

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From: Eric Freeman
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 11 Feb 2000 01:54:32
Message: <38a3b228@news.povray.org>
"Chris Huff" <chr### [at] yahoocom> wrote in message
news:chrishuff_99-9F6EDE.17351510022000@news.povray.org...
>
> And don't forget the sugar. :-)
>
> (Douglas Adams reference)

Hey... another Dirk Gently fan!!!!!

Eric (trying in vain to think of some obscure reference to the Long Dark
Tea-Time of the Soul)
--------------------
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certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
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From: Eric Freeman
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 11 Feb 2000 01:57:08
Message: <38a3b2c4@news.povray.org>
"Phil Clute" <pcl### [at] tiacnet> wrote in message
news:38A34EAC.1F78FE9F@tiac.net...
>
> Well, after a couple days the powdered sugar
> starts collecting moisture and gets sticky. If that's
> what your shooting for they look great. Change
> the name from "Fresh" donuts to "2-Day Old
> Donuts" and you'll be all set. :)

Maybe some angle-dependant reflection to accentuate the stickiness.

Eric
--------------------
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--------------------
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
--Bertrand Russel


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From: Rick [Kitty5]
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 11 Feb 2000 06:11:36
Message: <38a3ee68@news.povray.org>
> Here you go David and Peter. I left them in the oven last night. :)

look a bit dusty to me, maybe i will pass this time :)

Rick


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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 11 Feb 2000 07:20:11
Message: <38a3fe7b@news.povray.org>
Inflated car tire inner-tubes left out in a sleet storm?  I can see why you
titled the picture itself...  :)  Please don't mind me, thought I'd try a bad
mood for a change.

Bob


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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 11 Feb 2000 07:29:42
Message: <chrishuff_99-9FC5E2.07304611022000@news.povray.org>
In article <38a3b228@news.povray.org>, "Eric Freeman" 
<eri### [at] datasynccom> wrote:

> Hey... another Dirk Gently fan!!!!!
> 
> Eric (trying in vain to think of some obscure reference to the Long Dark
> Tea-Time of the Soul)

Something to do with a pop vending machine?
Or eagles? Or fighter jets? Or wrestling roast pigs? Or a silly Viking 
hat? A kitten?
No, forget those, definitely the refrigerator. :-)

I have read both "The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul" and "Dirk Gently's 
Holistic Detective Agency", I am still looking for his Hitchhiker's 
Guide to the Galaxy series.

-- 
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e-mail: chr### [at] yahoocom
Web page: http://chrishuff.dhs.org/


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From: Bill DeWitt
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 11 Feb 2000 08:12:30
Message: <38a40abe@news.povray.org>
"Chris Huff" <chr### [at] yahoocom> wrote :
>
> I am still looking for his Hitchhiker's
> Guide to the Galaxy series.
>

    Fan coolness tip #608 : It is important to refer to them as the
"Trilogy"


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From: Josh English
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 11 Feb 2000 11:09:55
Message: <38A43469.5BE8C3EC@spiritone.com>
This is true. A five book trilogy is an important thing to have in life.

Bill DeWitt wrote:

> "Chris Huff" <chr### [at] yahoocom> wrote :
> >
> > I am still looking for his Hitchhiker's
> > Guide to the Galaxy series.
> >
>
>     Fan coolness tip #608 : It is important to refer to them as the
> "Trilogy"

--
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eng### [at] spiritonecom
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From: Ryan Mooney
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 11 Feb 2000 14:53:25
Message: <38A3196F.4BAB1B2E@earthlink.net>
Where's the chocolate...?

Phil Clute wrote:

> What? No coffee? What a rip off! :)
> --
> Phil
> ...coffee?...yes please! extra sugar,extra cream...Thank you.


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From: Ryan Mooney
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 11 Feb 2000 15:00:15
Message: <38A31B07.19F3966F@earthlink.net>
I am a connoisseur of sugar... but milk, only by itself in a chilled glass
w/ ice and a large breakfast... yummy...

Chris Huff wrote:

> In article <38a35973@news.povray.org>, "Peter Warren"
> <int### [at] halcyoncom> wrote:
>
> > Lemon!!!!!!?????
>
> Umm, nothing at all about lemons...
> It was a reference to a scene in a book by Douglas Adams, "Dirk Gently's
> Holistic Detective Agency".
> Basically, one character was fixing tea for his guest. He was working
> out of sight of the guest, and he asked "One lump or two?", and then he
> asked if he wanted sugar too.
> If you don't get it, think about what happens when milk goes bad...
>
> BTW, I usually don't use milk in my coffee and only sometimes use it in
> tea, and never use sugar in either of them.
>
> --
> Chris Huff
> e-mail: chr### [at] yahoocom
> Web page: http://chrishuff.dhs.org/


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From: Ryan Mooney
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 11 Feb 2000 15:04:36
Message: <38A31C0C.E6A45C2A@earthlink.net>
Ah... I thought i recognized that humor... I have all of them in one book but
have only read the first "Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy" is one of the most
famous for its quotes... I find something new each time i read it...

Chris Huff wrote:

> In article <38a3b228@news.povray.org>, "Eric Freeman"
> <eri### [at] datasynccom> wrote:
>
> > Hey... another Dirk Gently fan!!!!!
> >
> > Eric (trying in vain to think of some obscure reference to the Long Dark
> > Tea-Time of the Soul)
>
> Something to do with a pop vending machine?
> Or eagles? Or fighter jets? Or wrestling roast pigs? Or a silly Viking
> hat? A kitten?
> No, forget those, definitely the refrigerator. :-)
>
> I have read both "The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul" and "Dirk Gently's
> Holistic Detective Agency", I am still looking for his Hitchhiker's
> Guide to the Galaxy series.
>
> --
> Chris Huff
> e-mail: chr### [at] yahoocom
> Web page: http://chrishuff.dhs.org/


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From: Ryan Mooney
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 11 Feb 2000 15:07:12
Message: <38A31CAA.F7FD48B5@earthlink.net>
I think the big dumb lion in Bugs Bunny (:

Ken wrote:

> "SamuelT." wrote:
> >
> > A whooool lahta lummps :)
>
> Snagglepuss ?
>
> --
> Ken Tyler -  1300+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
> http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/


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From: Ryan Mooney
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 11 Feb 2000 15:12:29
Message: <38A31DE0.F2E34D2A@earthlink.net>
More sugar... I want to see it all over the floor when i eat one... And
big chunks all over them... Like the Hostess ones that make you sick
after eating the hole box full in a car ride and looking down at your
sugar coated lap....

TonyB wrote:

> Here you go David and Peter. I left them in the oven last night. :)
>
>  [Image]


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From: Bill DeWitt
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 11 Feb 2000 17:18:55
Message: <38a48acf@news.povray.org>
"Josh English" <eng### [at] spiritonecom> wrote :
>
> This is true. A five book trilogy is an important thing to have in life.
>

    If one includes "Young Zaphod Plays it Safe" we have 5 books and a short
story.


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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 11 Feb 2000 17:46:38
Message: <38A490F2.54FF1359@faricy.net>
Oh no! Star Wars will alienate its entire fan base by making the term
"Star Wars trilogy" obsolete!

Bill DeWitt wrote:

> "Chris Huff" <chr### [at] yahoocom> wrote :
> >
> > I am still looking for his Hitchhiker's
> > Guide to the Galaxy series.
> >
>
>     Fan coolness tip #608 : It is important to refer to them as the
> "Trilogy"

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From: Steve
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 11 Feb 2000 19:34:58
Message: <slrn8a8q4v.418.sjlen@zero-pps.localdomain>
On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:30:46 -0500, Chris Huff <chr### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>In article <38a3b228@news.povray.org>, "Eric Freeman" 
><eri### [at] datasynccom> wrote:
>
>> Hey... another Dirk Gently fan!!!!!
>> 
>> Eric (trying in vain to think of some obscure reference to the Long Dark
>> Tea-Time of the Soul)
>
>Something to do with a pop vending machine?
>Or eagles? Or fighter jets? Or wrestling roast pigs? Or a silly Viking 
>hat? A kitten?
>No, forget those, definitely the refrigerator. :-)
>
>I have read both "The Long Dark Tea-Time of the Soul" and "Dirk Gently's 
>Holistic Detective Agency", I am still looking for his Hitchhiker's 
>Guide to the Galaxy series.


Long Dark Tea-Time was good, and the Hitchhiker's Guide is unmissable.  

I think you can d/l the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy from somewhere,
but it's more comfortable reading the book. 




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From: Ron Parker
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 14 Feb 2000 12:02:51
Message: <slrn8agd3t.v8.ron.parker@ron.gwmicro.com>
On 11 Feb 2000 19:34:58 -0500, Steve wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:30:46 -0500, Chris Huff <chr### [at] yahoocom> wrote:
>I think you can d/l the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy from somewhere,
>but it's more comfortable reading the book. 

Not if you have a Palm. :)

But I'm going to guess that even if you can download it from somewhere, it's
no different than downloading stolen software and/or mp3's from somewhere.

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From: TonyB
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 14 Feb 2000 22:56:17
Message: <38a8ce61@news.povray.org>
>But I'm going to guess that even if you can download it from somewhere,
it's
>no different than downloading stolen software and/or mp3's from somewhere.


I've actually found the MP3 version around on the 'Net several times. I
checked one of the files out. Weird book. I don't get it. Something about
God self-destructing, and something about a translating fish... IIRC.


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From: Steve
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 14 Feb 2000 23:56:42
Message: <slrn8ahmov.2pu.sjlen@zero-pps.localdomain>
On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:54:52 -0500, TonyB <ben### [at] panamac-comnet> wrote:
>>But I'm going to guess that even if you can download it from somewhere,
>it's
>>no different than downloading stolen software and/or mp3's from somewhere.
>
>
>I've actually found the MP3 version around on the 'Net several times. I
>checked one of the files out. Weird book. I don't get it. Something about
>God self-destructing, and something about a translating fish... IIRC.

Read on.

What you've come accross are probably the Recordings made for Radio.  They 
come back on Radio 4 every few years and are so good you can listen to them 
time an time again without getting board. 

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From: Peter Popov
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 15 Feb 2000 00:38:47
Message: <OuOoOIOMtl+yAIXeL+6SeM7nZtnh@4ax.com>
On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:54:52 -0500, "TonyB"
<ben### [at] panamac-comnet> wrote:

>>But I'm going to guess that even if you can download it from somewhere,
>it's
>>no different than downloading stolen software and/or mp3's from somewhere.
>
>
>I've actually found the MP3 version around on the 'Net several times. I
>checked one of the files out. Weird book. I don't get it. Something about
>God self-destructing, and something about a translating fish... IIRC.

The part about 'God self-destructing' is the best mockery of all
religious arguments that I have ever encountered. It is a great
example of both the falacial logic some people use to disprove the
existence of God to a true believer, and that true believer's
reaction.

(Logic man to God): 'So you see, you don't exist'
(God): 'Oh, I haven't thought about that' (disappears in a puff of
logic)

Adams doesn't mock God, he mocks the argument. And at least you, Tony,
would agree that the argument about the existance of God deserves
mocking. As does the one about evolution/creation, which Adams mocks
as well.

And you're right, it's a pretty weird book :)

Gone to off-topic land.


Peter Popov
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From: Ron Parker
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 15 Feb 2000 08:21:00
Message: <slrn8aikm4.v8.ron.parker@ron.gwmicro.com>
On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:54:52 -0500, TonyB wrote:
>>But I'm going to guess that even if you can download it from somewhere,
>it's
>>no different than downloading stolen software and/or mp3's from somewhere.
>
>
>I've actually found the MP3 version around on the 'Net several times. I
>checked one of the files out. Weird book. I don't get it. Something about
>God self-destructing, and something about a translating fish... IIRC.

You missed my point.  HHGTG is COPYRIGHTED WORK.  No matter whether you download
a text file of it or an MP3 of it, you're breaking the law.  Go buy the book; 
surely even the least wealthy person reading this news server can afford five 
bucks for a paperback.  If you can't, go borrow it from your public library.

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From: TonyB
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 15 Feb 2000 09:33:42
Message: <38a963c6@news.povray.org>
>You missed my point.  HHGTG is COPYRIGHTED WORK.  No matter whether you
download
>a text file of it or an MP3 of it, you're breaking the law.  Go buy the
book;
>surely even the least wealthy person reading this news server can afford
five
>bucks for a paperback.  If you can't, go borrow it from your public
library.


I'm sorry, Ron, but you don't understand something. a) I'm not interested in
the book, I was just curious at the time. The file is long gone. b) Books in
English are very hard to come by here in Panama, so I'm pretty sure that
that one won't be in any store. If the stores don't have it, then be sure
that the Libraries won't carry it either. Everything is in Spanish.


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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Book inflation (was: Fresh Donuts!!!)
Date: 15 Feb 2000 18:15:08
Message: <38A9DD91.621D53C6@faricy.net>
Ron Parker wrote:

> You missed my point.  HHGTG is COPYRIGHTED WORK.  No matter whether you download
> a text file of it or an MP3 of it, you're breaking the law.  Go buy the book;
> surely even the least wealthy person reading this news server can afford five
> bucks for a paperback.  If you can't, go borrow it from your public library.

It's a lot more than five bucks for a friggin' paperback around here! But I agree
most people can still easily afford it.
And the problem with books is you don't realize they're crap until after you pay the
$15 (yes, $15) and actually read it and by then you've wasted irreplaceable time and
money. I'm not saying al books are bad, some are definitely good (like HHGTG). Then
there's the music industry... usually only one or two songs on a CD are well known
and you can almost never listen before you buy. I'm not saying anything about
myself, but lots of people use illegal mp3s as a "listen before you buy" thing.

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From: Peter Popov
Subject: Re: Book inflation (was: Fresh Donuts!!!)
Date: 15 Feb 2000 19:12:41
Message: <YOqpOF66Rw1qf9WMTAaXSNpRnZ2h@4ax.com>
On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:13:21 -0600, David Fontaine <dav### [at] faricynet>
wrote:

>It's a lot more than five bucks for a friggin' paperback around here! But I agree
>most people can still easily afford it.
>And the problem with books is you don't realize they're crap until after you pay the
>$15 (yes, $15) and actually read it and by then you've wasted irreplaceable time and
>money. I'm not saying al books are bad, some are definitely good (like HHGTG). Then
>there's the music industry... usually only one or two songs on a CD are well known
>and you can almost never listen before you buy. I'm not saying anything about
>myself, but lots of people use illegal mp3s as a "listen before you buy" thing.

I have three mp3s downloaded from a Bulgarian server which I like a
lot and would like to buy the whole album. The problem is that
copyright info has been removed and the filenames are indescriptive
(GH1CD2.mp3 for example). The server is now down so I can't approach
the admin, and all searches on the web leave me clueless as who the
artist and/or the album might be. So there.


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From: Steve
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 15 Feb 2000 22:13:43
Message: <slrn8ajj31.4sn.sjlen@zero-pps.localdomain>
On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:31:10 -0500, TonyB <ben### [at] panamac-comnet> wrote:
>>You missed my point.  HHGTG is COPYRIGHTED WORK.  No matter whether you
>download
>>a text file of it or an MP3 of it, you're breaking the law.  Go buy the
>book;
>>surely even the least wealthy person reading this news server can afford
>five
>>bucks for a paperback.  If you can't, go borrow it from your public
>library.
>
>
>I'm sorry, Ron, but you don't understand something. a) I'm not interested in
>the book, I was just curious at the time. The file is long gone. b) Books in
>English are very hard to come by here in Panama, so I'm pretty sure that
>that one won't be in any store. If the stores don't have it, then be sure
>that the Libraries won't carry it either. Everything is in Spanish.
>
>

http://www.amazon.com  and there are others that sell books internationally,
my friends use the US site and not the one in UK, as the UK version keeps 
sending them the wrong books. 

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From: Steve
Subject: Re: Book inflation (was: Fresh Donuts!!!)
Date: 16 Feb 2000 00:43:26
Message: <slrn8akad5.55e.sjlen@zero-pps.localdomain>
On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:13:21 -0600, David Fontaine <dav### [at] faricynet> wrote:
>Ron Parker wrote:
>
>> You missed my point.  HHGTG is COPYRIGHTED WORK.  No matter whether you download
>> a text file of it or an MP3 of it, you're breaking the law.  Go buy the book;
>> surely even the least wealthy person reading this news server can afford five
>> bucks for a paperback.  If you can't, go borrow it from your public library.
>
>It's a lot more than five bucks for a friggin' paperback around here! But I agree
>most people can still easily afford it.
>And the problem with books is you don't realize they're crap until after you pay the
>$15 (yes, $15) and actually read it and by then you've wasted irreplaceable time and
>money. I'm not saying al books are bad, some are definitely good (like HHGTG). Then
>there's the music industry... usually only one or two songs on a CD are well known
>and you can almost never listen before you buy. I'm not saying anything about
>myself, but lots of people use illegal mp3s as a "listen before you buy" thing.

HHGTG 9.99 here in paperback, works out at about 15-17 dollars, the list price 
in Aus is 24 dollars. If you're not working, that's a lot of money, and to most 
people who are working it's still a lot. 

It's cheaper to buy the CDs here than it is to d/l the MP3s, (due to the price 
of phone calls here).  
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From: David Parrott
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 16 Feb 2000 19:27:32
Message: <BeGFaVAF$gq4IwxA@quayles1.demon.co.uk>
In article <slr### [at] rongwmicrocom>, Ron Parker
<ron### [at] povrayorg> writes
>On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:54:52 -0500, TonyB wrote:
>>>But I'm going to guess that even if you can download it from somewhere,
>>it's
>>>no different than downloading stolen software and/or mp3's from somewhere.
>>
>>
>>I've actually found the MP3 version around on the 'Net several times. I
>>checked one of the files out. Weird book. I don't get it. Something about
>>God self-destructing, and something about a translating fish... IIRC.
>
>You missed my point.  HHGTG is COPYRIGHTED WORK.  No matter whether you download
>a text file of it or an MP3 of it, you're breaking the law.  Go buy the book; 
>surely even the least wealthy person reading this news server can afford five 
>bucks for a paperback.  If you can't, go borrow it from your public library.
>
Sorry for this completely irrelevant post but I had to say it, I can
unfortunately not afford five bucks, I actually only have £2.14 to my
name!
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From: Peter Popov
Subject: Re: Fresh Donuts!!! (~46kau)
Date: 16 Feb 2000 20:46:41
Message: <pVGrOHbhf0abf1koprMk6fKMtZ7n@4ax.com>
On Wed, 16 Feb 2000 02:47:33 +0000, David Parrott
<Xam### [at] quayles1demoncouk> wrote:

>Sorry for this completely irrelevant post but I had to say it, I can
>unfortunately not afford five bucks, I actually only have £2.14 to my
>name!

Sounds familiar. Two weeks ago the family assets hit the ¢50 floor
(about as much as a loaf of bread here). Thankfully I got some money
that same day but it sure was the tightest situation we've ever been
into.

Sorry for being off-topic.


Peter Popov
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ICQ: 15002700


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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: Book inflation (was: Fresh Donuts!!!)
Date: 18 Feb 2000 21:02:05
Message: <38ADF929.A788CC2C@faricy.net>
Peter Popov wrote:

> I have three mp3s downloaded from a Bulgarian server which I like a
> lot and would like to buy the whole album. The problem is that
> copyright info has been removed and the filenames are indescriptive
> (GH1CD2.mp3 for example). The server is now down so I can't approach
> the admin, and all searches on the web leave me clueless as who the
> artist and/or the album might be. So there.

Hmm, all my mp3s are in the Artist - Song format, and I have bought 3 CDs recently
entirely based on mp3s, two I had never even heard of before.

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From: Peter Popov
Subject: Re: Book inflation (was: Fresh Donuts!!!)
Date: 18 Feb 2000 21:50:58
Message: <9wOuOF4PB2ucf7qXGuMFGT15Pi2Z@4ax.com>
On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:00:09 -0600, David Fontaine <dav### [at] faricynet>
wrote:

>Peter Popov wrote:
>
>> I have three mp3s downloaded from a Bulgarian server which I like a
>> lot and would like to buy the whole album. The problem is that
>> copyright info has been removed and the filenames are indescriptive
>> (GH1CD2.mp3 for example). The server is now down so I can't approach
>> the admin, and all searches on the web leave me clueless as who the
>> artist and/or the album might be. So there.
>
>Hmm, all my mp3s are in the Artist - Song format, and I have bought 3 CDs recently
>entirely based on mp3s, two I had never even heard of before.

Mine, too, but these three are not and they're driving me nuts because
I can't search the net based on two letters only. I might ask at the
Usenet but aside from c.g.r.r. I've never gotten a useful response to
my posts there.


Peter Popov
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From: Scott Reid
Subject: Re: Book inflation (was: Fresh Donuts!!!)
Date: 20 Feb 2000 13:49:49
Message: <38B044DB.58F02196@home.com>
David Fontaine wrote:

> And the problem with books is you don't realize they're crap until after you pay the
> $15 (yes, $15) and actually read it and by then you've wasted irreplaceable time and
> money.


   Fifteen bucks for a paperback? You must live in Canada...


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From: mr art
Subject: Re: Book inflation (was: Fresh Donuts!!!)
Date: 20 Feb 2000 14:46:29
Message: <38B044AA.6EA05B92@gci.net>
USA, Minnesota, Minneapolis


Scott Reid wrote:
> 
> David Fontaine wrote:
> 
> > And the problem with books is you don't realize they're crap until after you pay
the
> > $15 (yes, $15) and actually read it and by then you've wasted irreplaceable time
and
> > money.
> 
>    Fifteen bucks for a paperback? You must live in Canada...

-- 
Mr. Art

"Often the appearance of reality is more important 
than the reality of the appearance."
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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: Book inflation (was: Fresh Donuts!!!)
Date: 20 Feb 2000 15:05:34
Message: <38B0488F.EB881242@faricy.net>
Scott Reid wrote:

> David Fontaine wrote:
>
> > And the problem with books is you don't realize they're crap until after you pay
the
> > $15 (yes, $15) and actually read it and by then you've wasted irreplaceable time
and
> > money.
>
>    Fifteen bucks for a paperback? You must live in Canada...

Nope. US.
Last book I had to read for English: "The Color of Water", paperback, normal size, on
the
spine: $14.99 US

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From: Jon A  Cruz
Subject: Re: Book inflation (was: Fresh Donuts!!!)
Date: 20 Feb 2000 17:55:21
Message: <38B07240.B57B55BC@geocities.com>
"mr.art" wrote:

> USA, Minnesota, Minneapolis
>
> Scott Reid wrote:
> >
> > David Fontaine wrote:
> >
> > > And the problem with books is you don't realize they're crap until after you pay
the
> > > $15 (yes, $15) and actually read it and by then you've wasted irreplaceable time
and
> > > money.
> >
> >    Fifteen bucks for a paperback? You must live in Canada...
>
> --
> Mr. Art
>
> "Often the appearance of reality is more important
> than the reality of the appearance."
> Bill DeWitt 2000

WHAT!?!?!?!?!?!

Man, did they see you coming.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0345391802/o/qid=951086745/sr=2-1/102-2693460-5552045

http://shop.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=4L1PA5DQWA&mscssid=6QMQP40UUXS12P1U00JP4BC8EVSKAL98&srefer=&salesurl=Rwww.bn.com/&isbn=0345391802

http://search.borders.com/fcgi-bin/db2www/search/search.d2w/Details?&mediaType=Book&prodID=2613314

List price $6.99
On-line price: $5.59


To be fair, perhaps your local stores just don't have a good selection. Thus the
reason for
Amazon, bn.com and others like that. The large paperback has a list price of $12.00.

I'm lucky here. When I do bother reading the libraries in this area have a decent
collection. Also, there are many good used book stores all over the place.

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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: Book inflation (was: Fresh Donuts!!!)
Date: 21 Feb 2000 13:21:19
Message: <38B18199.E87D5DF@faricy.net>
David Fontaine wrote:

> Last book I had to read for English: "The Color of Water", paperback, normal size,
on the
> spine: $14.99 US

Sorry, my mistake. It was a couple bucks less. $12.99. But it was a relatively small
book. I
could easily see another going $15. Anyway, it was the school's book, so it's not like
I give
a rat's ass. Didn't care much for it, don't care much for Cry the Beloved Country.
Here's an idea: let's read a book that doesn't use a racially segregated historical
context
to preach social values.

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From: Steve
Subject: Re: Book inflation (was: Fresh Donuts!!!)
Date: 21 Feb 2000 17:48:24
Message: <slrn8b3cml.hd7.sjlen@zero-pps.localdomain>
On Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:47:39 -0800, Scott Reid <s.w### [at] homecom> wrote:
>
>
>David Fontaine wrote:
>
>> And the problem with books is you don't realize they're crap until after you pay
the
>> $15 (yes, $15) and actually read it and by then you've wasted irreplaceable time
and
>> money.
>
>
>   Fifteen bucks for a paperback? You must live in Canada...

On the cover is says:

			UK		£9.99
			Australia      $24.95
                        Not for sale in Canada

and £9.99 is about 15 to 17 US$.  The 'Not for sale in Canada'
I think is just one of those cases of life immitating ray-tracing.
A post from Bill over in p.o-t said something about not being valid
in Canada or Wisconsen. 	

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From: Scott Reid
Subject: Re: Book inflation (was: Fresh Donuts!!!)
Date: 22 Feb 2000 13:17:43
Message: <38B2E052.CAF07CEC@home.com>
"mr.art" wrote:
> 
> USA, Minnesota, Minneapolis
> 
> Scott Reid wrote:

> >    Fifteen bucks for a paperback? You must live in Canada...

Well it's good to know that we Canadians aren't the only ones getting
ripped off so badly...


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From: Scott Reid
Subject: Re: Book inflation (was: Fresh Donuts!!!)
Date: 22 Feb 2000 13:25:38
Message: <38B2E22D.8F6FB399@home.com>
David Fontaine wrote:

> Here's an idea: let's read a book that doesn't use a racially segregated historical
context
> to preach social values.

I think you'll have to wait a generation or two before you see such a
book. Any pervasive social change takes at least one generation to
effect itself and it's only been about one generation since we were
forcefully made aware of the racial inequities we live by(60s race
riots), and awareness is only the first short step...
It's kind of funny in a way: Two thousand years ago, the Romans didn't
have such problems...  Progress? What Progress?


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