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Impressive!
<br>How about a brass-colored antenna coming out of the top of it's head?
with a light on top? whatever?
<p>Keep up the AMAZING work...
<p>"H.E. Day" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Here's a little sample of what I'm working on for
the current IRTC
<br>round, The City.  A very small sample.  In fact, this is
just about 1/25
<br>of the detail I'm putting into this image.  We're talking a 4
day render
<br>*expected*.  I got the idea for the docbot in the Matrix. (To
see some
<br>actual hi-res images from the film go to:
<br><a
href="http://www.angelfire.com/id/digitalnature/index.html">http://www.angelfire.com/id/digitalnature/index.html</a>
.
<br>Yes, this guy really worked on the film.)
<br>Please, tell me what you think.
<br>--
<br>H.E. Day
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Sweet Jesus!!!!!!
You never seem to stop amazing me :P

Jide

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Quite amazing!

I'm wondering how you got that _beautiful_ tarnished copper texture though
;)

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> I'm wondering how you got that _beautiful_ tarnished copper texture though
> ;)

I made it up.


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H.E. Day wrote in message <38E6D75D.BFBEDC7E@fci.net>...
>> I'm wondering how you got that _beautiful_ tarnished copper texture
though
>> ;)
>
>I made it up.
>--
>H.E. Day
>


Smartass :)

It's really a wonderfully done texture - and a superb model.

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Really great stuff.  Both yours and Grant Niesner's.

Bob

"H.E. Day" <hed### [at] fcinet> wrote in message news:38E665F5.E9F9D694@fci.net...
| Here's a little sample of what I'm working on for the current IRTC
| round, The City.  A very small sample.  In fact, this is just about 1/25
| of the detail I'm putting into this image.  We're talking a 4 day render
| *expected*.  I got the idea for the docbot in the Matrix. (To see some
| actual hi-res images from the film go to:
| http://www.angelfire.com/id/digitalnature/index.html .
| Yes, this guy really worked on the film.)
| Please, tell me what you think.
| --
| H.E. Day
|
|


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Wow!

Alf

H.E. Day <hed### [at] fcinet> wrote in message news:38E665F5.E9F9D694@fci.net...
> Here's a little sample of what I'm working on for the current IRTC
> round, The City.  A very small sample.  In fact, this is just about 1/25
> of the detail I'm putting into this image.  We're talking a 4 day render
> *expected*.  I got the idea for the docbot in the Matrix. (To see some
> actual hi-res images from the film go to:
> http://www.angelfire.com/id/digitalnature/index.html .
> Yes, this guy really worked on the film.)
> Please, tell me what you think.
 --
> H.E. Day
>
>


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Well....
My posts look like child drawings after that...

So... I'll never just approach this quality, so I decide to never post again a pic
here...

Is there a povray.binaries.images.common-guy group here ?.... :-)
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"Freddy D." wrote:

> Is there a povray.binaries.images.common-guy group here ?.... :-)

Try here - news://news.newz.net/nzn.fr.3d.pov

:-)

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http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/

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Yeah, and here it is:
(By the way, this requires MegaPov .4)

#declare Scarring =
texture {pigment {bozo color_map {[0 rgb .175 transmit .75][1 rgb .175
transmit 1]}scale 2}}
texture {pigment {bozo pigment_map {[0 bozo color_map {[0 rgb .125 transmit
.75][1 rgb .125 transmit 1]}scale .125][.5 rgb .175 transmit 1]}scale
2}translate 25}
#declare Rusting2 =
texture {pigment {bozo color_map {[0 rgb <1,.5,.4> transmit .875][1 rgb
<1,.5,.4> transmit 1]}scale 2}}
texture {pigment {bozo pigment_map {[0 bozo color_map {[0 rgb <1,.5,.4>
transmit .875][1 rgb <1,.5,.4> transmit 1]}scale .125][.5 rgb .175 transmit
1]}scale 2}translate 25}
#declare Chipping =
texture {pigment {bozo pigment_map {[.4 bozo color_map {[.2 rgb 1 transmit
.25][.3 rgb 1 transmit 1]} turbulence 1/2 scale .125/2][.5 rgb .175
transmit 1]}scale 8}}

#declare Test =
function {
    (noise3d(x,y,z)^0.3)
    *noise3d(x*5,y*5,z*5)
    *(noise3d(x*20,y*20,z*20)^0.3)
} 
#declare Test2 =
function {
    (noise3d(x,y,z)^2)
    *noise3d(x*5,y*5,z*5)
    *(noise3d(x*20,y*20,z*20)^0.3)
}

#declare RustedTex1 =
texture {
pigment { function {Test} triangle_wave
pigment_map {
[.7 bozo color_map {[.4 rgb 1][.5 rgb <.6,.65,.8>][.6 rgb .65]} turbulence
1 scale 1/2]
[.8 bozo color_map {[0 rgb <.6,.4,.3>][1 rgb <.6,.5,.4>*1.5]} scale 1/3]
}
scale 1.5
}

normal { function {Test2} bump_size 1/3 scale 1/4} 
finish {ambient 0 diffuse 1 phong 1.5 metallic phong_size 10}
}
texture {Scarring scale 1/16}
texture {Chipping scale 1/16}
texture {Scarring scale 1/16 scale 4*y}
texture {Scarring scale 1/32}
texture {Rusting2 scale 1/5 scale 2*z}


Do hope you can use it.

--
H.E. Day

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Wow!

Thank you!

I assumed when you answered like that, that was your way of hinting you were
keeping it a 'trade secret', which is certainly your right.

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Wait just a second now, Gilles Tran posts there and he's hardly common.  Hope
you're not putting down our fellow French POVers.  No, I know you wouldn't be
doing that.
I thought about this kind of thing too.  I'd hate to think some people would be
discouraged about their own endevours after seeing such good stuff.  Many of us
already understand that there's a certain beauty to the simple sphere
primitive... and especially interesting when given a patterned texture.  That
ought to be a mantra chanted by the masses while the others trodden over our
lackluster scene files.

oh, and  :-)

Bob

"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote in message
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|
|
| "Freddy D." wrote:
|
| > Is there a povray.binaries.images.common-guy group here ?.... :-)
|
| Try here - news://news.newz.net/nzn.fr.3d.pov
|
| :-)
|
| --
| Ken Tyler -  1300+ Povray, Graphics, 3D Rendering, and Raytracing Links:
| http://home.pacbell.net/tylereng/index.html http://www.povray.org/links/

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> Sweet Jesus!!!!!!

That was uncalled for.

> You never seem to stop amazing me :P

Thanks.


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> I assumed when you answered like that, that was your way of hinting you were
> keeping it a 'trade secret', which is certainly your right.

Why?  I certainly don't think that if I saw something I thought incredible I'd
like to have it denied me. Do unto others....


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"H. E. Day" wrote:
> [snip]
> #declare RustedTex1 =
> [snip]
>
> Do hope you can use it.

My god, that has to be the coolest texture I've ever seen.  Thanks
greatly for sharing!

I'm curious as to what you went through to design it, especially the two
Test functions and when you use them in the first layer of RustedTex1.

Anyway, stunning texture.  Thanks again.  :)
--Chris

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>Is there a povray.binaries.images.common-guy group here ?.... :-)


I think well have to use .off-topic for our pathetics images. They don't
deserve to stay on the server.

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H...howww...? Why can't I do that? :/

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I think they are marvellous!

Now that you have revealed the texture details,
I'll take the chance to ask if the geometry's 
is done with CSG or did you use some of the new 
features in any of the patched versions of POV?
(or with blobs ?)

I'm also curious if you used a 3D-modeller for this?

And one more question if I may:
Are the two Cop Bots identical?

It might be the shadows and the perspective 
that is fooling my eyes, but for me it seems 
that the area (rim) around the "ears" is 
different on the two.

Tor Olav

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Tor Olav Kristensen wrote:

> I think they are marvellous!
>
> Now that you have revealed the texture details,
> I'll take the chance to ask if the geometry's
> is done with CSG or did you use some of the new
> features in any of the patched versions of POV?
> (or with blobs ?)

Ummm...  Let's see.  The outer armor (the stuff with that texture on it)
is a blob.  The rest is hand-coded CSG. The pipes are splines extruded
with blobs.

> I'm also curious if you used a 3D-modeller for this?

100% hand-coded.  I don't need no steeeenkeng modeler. (not until
recently, anyway....:)

And the 'Bots are identical.  Must be a case of funky shadows...

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I dunno.
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> > I assumed when you answered like that, that was your way of hinting you
were
> > keeping it a 'trade secret', which is certainly your right.
>
> Why?  I certainly don't think that if I saw something I thought incredible
I'd
> like to have it denied me. Do unto others....
>
>
> --
> H.E. Day

Well, then on a similar note, may I ask how much time do you spend on this
talent?  Sadly, I'm unable to spend half as much time as I'd like to on
raytracing.  You mentioned on your site that you are being home-schooled,
and I was wondering how much time that allows for you to play around with
POV.  Personally, I go to a public school, and am lucky if I can find
two-hours a week to trace.

-Chris-

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> Well, then on a similar note, may I ask how much time do you spend on this
> talent?

Around 4-5 hours a day.

> Sadly, I'm unable to spend half as much time as I'd like to on
> raytracing.  You mentioned on your site that you are being home-schooled,
> and I was wondering how much time that allows for you to play around with
> POV.  Personally, I go to a public school, and am lucky if I can find
> two-hours a week to trace.

Yet another reason to hate public school.


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> > Well, then on a similar note, may I ask how much time do you spend on
this
> > talent?
>
> Around 4-5 hours a day.

Not bad...  You sir are in heaven.

> > Sadly, I'm unable to spend half as much time as I'd like to on
> > raytracing.  You mentioned on your site that you are being
home-schooled,
> > and I was wondering how much time that allows for you to play around
with
> > POV.  Personally, I go to a public school, and am lucky if I can find
> > two-hours a week to trace.
>
> Yet another reason to hate public school.

Hmmm...do I detect some hostility?  As much as I too hate the restrictions
on my schedule, a good public school (such as the one I go to) is one of the
best ways to get a taste of the real world and the people in it.

> --
> H.E. Day
>
>

-Chris-

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Chris Spencer wrote:

> Hmmm...do I detect some hostility?  As much as I too hate the restrictions
> on my schedule, a good public school (such as the one I go to) is one of the
> best ways to get a taste of the real world and the people in it.

I used to absolutely hate public schools, because my middle school counselors
were all morons, I learned nothing useful my freshman year, my teachers were all
idiots or assholes, half the material was repeat, I had to take "Foundations
Science", there was too much busywork... did I mention I hated my teachers and
resented having to take Foundations Science?
Well, the cirriculum has finally caught up to my level (hmm, a sign my learning
has slowed considerably over the last thre years), I have intelligent teachers
this year (except for my Eng. and bio teachers, but who cares, bio is *sooo*
easy and I've always hated English anyway for it's narrow-minded PC
socio-political moral values focus), the workload is actually *less* than last
year, and believe it or not, I actually find some of the material interesting.
Oh, and my counselors actually have some useful info on my options.
There's still a lot I don't like about public schools in my area, but that's
entirely the legislature's fault.

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Don't think that homeschooling isolates from the "real world".
It is, though, a very good way to spend your efforts on the
subjects that need the attention, and waste little time on the
ones that you can master easly. And it frees up time for more
important things, like raytracing
Mr Art

p.s.  I have homeschooled my two for 10 years now.

Chris Spencer wrote:

> Hmmm...do I detect some hostility?  As much as I too hate the restrictions
> on my schedule, a good public school (such as the one I go to) is one of the
> best ways to get a taste of the real world and the people in it.
>
> > --
> > H.E. Day
> >
> >
>
> -Chris-

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> Not bad...  You sir are in heaven.

Not hardly.  I do have it good though. :)


> Hmmm...do I detect some hostility?  As much as I too hate the restrictions
> on my schedule, a good public school (such as the one I go to) is one of the
> best ways to get a taste of the real world and the people in it.

Ummmm..... Yes.  I went to P-S through 4th grade.  My parents pulled me out when
I started to steal and fight.  P-S was nothing but a year-long camp to me,
mainly because no one told me different.
(And the thing that convinced me that they were *really* dumb was that I stuffed
all my homework into my desk and never touched it and was still getting As !!!!
Idiots!)

Now I'm a year ahead in Math, doing Physics and not having much trouble in
anything else.  I am eternally grateful to my parents.

Oh, I don't steal or fight anymore. (If I still did it might be a problem to
everyone else.
I'm 6'5" 235 lbs. and quick on my feet.)

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H.E. Day wrote in message <38E806C5.C05C1E91@fci.net>...
>> Not bad...  You sir are in heaven.
>
>Not hardly.  I do have it good though. :)
>
>
>> Hmmm...do I detect some hostility?  As much as I too hate the
restrictions
>> on my schedule, a good public school (such as the one I go to) is one of
the
>> best ways to get a taste of the real world and the people in it.
>
>Ummmm..... Yes.  I went to P-S through 4th grade.  My parents pulled me out
when
>I started to steal and fight

I started homeschooling halfway through 10th grade when I realized that I
had just spent the last five months being bored stiff.  I'm now almost done
with my second year of college, and I still haven't found anything that is
particularly difficult.  (I don't understand why people claim classes like
Data Structures or Differential Equations are hard).

Mark

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>Around 4-5 hours a day.


NOW I get it!!! I'm not inferior, just disadvantaged! What a relief! :)

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On Sun, 2 Apr 2000 12:57:32 +0200, Freddy D. wrote:
>Well....
>My posts look like child drawings after that...
>
>So... I'll never just approach this quality, so I decide to never post again a pic
>here...

I think everyone feels a bit like that about their own work, it's because
you've been concentrating on it for so long and you know every single detail
and you know about all the hidden thing that are wrong with it. 

Post your work here, some of the simple stuff is the best.

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Thanks...
I managed to fiddle the code to fit in the official...
Not quite as kool w/ out the functions but it will do...
I will use it in my next post...
W/ proper credit...

"H. E. Day" wrote:

> Yeah, and here it is:
> (By the way, this requires MegaPov .4)
>
> #declare Scarring =
> texture {pigment {bozo color_map {[0 rgb .175 transmit .75][1 rgb .175
> transmit 1]}scale 2}}
> texture {pigment {bozo pigment_map {[0 bozo color_map {[0 rgb .125 transmit
> .75][1 rgb .125 transmit 1]}scale .125][.5 rgb .175 transmit 1]}scale
> 2}translate 25}
> #declare Rusting2 =
> texture {pigment {bozo color_map {[0 rgb <1,.5,.4> transmit .875][1 rgb
> <1,.5,.4> transmit 1]}scale 2}}
> texture {pigment {bozo pigment_map {[0 bozo color_map {[0 rgb <1,.5,.4>
> transmit .875][1 rgb <1,.5,.4> transmit 1]}scale .125][.5 rgb .175 transmit
> 1]}scale 2}translate 25}
> #declare Chipping =
> texture {pigment {bozo pigment_map {[.4 bozo color_map {[.2 rgb 1 transmit
> .25][.3 rgb 1 transmit 1]} turbulence 1/2 scale .125/2][.5 rgb .175
> transmit 1]}scale 8}}
>
> #declare Test =
> function {
>     (noise3d(x,y,z)^0.3)
>     *noise3d(x*5,y*5,z*5)
>     *(noise3d(x*20,y*20,z*20)^0.3)
> }
> #declare Test2 =
> function {
>     (noise3d(x,y,z)^2)
>     *noise3d(x*5,y*5,z*5)
>     *(noise3d(x*20,y*20,z*20)^0.3)
> }
>
> #declare RustedTex1 =
> texture {
> pigment { function {Test} triangle_wave
> pigment_map {
> [.7 bozo color_map {[.4 rgb 1][.5 rgb <.6,.65,.8>][.6 rgb .65]} turbulence
> 1 scale 1/2]
> [.8 bozo color_map {[0 rgb <.6,.4,.3>][1 rgb <.6,.5,.4>*1.5]} scale 1/3]
> }
> scale 1.5
> }
>
> normal { function {Test2} bump_size 1/3 scale 1/4}
> finish {ambient 0 diffuse 1 phong 1.5 metallic phong_size 10}
> }
> texture {Scarring scale 1/16}
> texture {Chipping scale 1/16}
> texture {Scarring scale 1/16 scale 4*y}
> texture {Scarring scale 1/32}
> texture {Rusting2 scale 1/5 scale 2*z}
>
> Do hope you can use it.
>
> --
> H.E. Day

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You people are spoiled.

In Israel, the schooling system is so different that the only people
home-schooling are the ones with really, really bad grades and usually
more than just that for problems.

We have "final exams" on our last three years of school, which combined
with a year average form the grading system (plus a physchometric exam)
by which the universities (no colleges, really) choose who to accept.
The point is, we work very hard in our last few years in school
(espcially the last two) and even if you're is rather smart, it's still
a whole damn lot of work. Of course the real geniuses always have a good
time, but you gotta be REALLY smart for that. I'm talking about kids who
go to university when they're 15 to 17 years old.

I was in LA for 2 years, during my sixth and seventh grades; My
impression is that school in America, by experience, is MUCH easier!
Everything is less hard, less work, less everything. I think this has to
do with the level - in Israel the level is much higher, at least in
certain subjects. For example, part of our "final test" in Math (in the
highest of the three levels you can chooes, which is what I did)
includes Vectors, Complex numbers, integral + differencial mathematics,
and more stuff. In the US, and europe too as far as I know, you don't do
this until late college. It's cool, yeah, but demands a lot of work when
you do it at 17. About 2 hours a day is the max you can squeeze out for
rendering most years, but at the end of each years I happens that you
never see you computer for a whole week. This is for about 3 months.

Anyway, my particular school is (was, I graduated last year) a rather
new school (mine was the third class) and like all new schools founded
as an alternative to rotten old schools, the teachers young, nice,
helpful, idealistic, etc. and although it's a lot of hard work, it's a
pleasent place to study. 

That's all for my education speech for now, I think I'll go raytrace. 

Mark Wagner wrote:
> 
> H.E. Day wrote in message <38E806C5.C05C1E91@fci.net>...
> >> Not bad...  You sir are in heaven.
> >
> >Not hardly.  I do have it good though. :)
> >
> >
> >> Hmmm...do I detect some hostility?  As much as I too hate the
> restrictions
> >> on my schedule, a good public school (such as the one I go to) is one of
> the
> >> best ways to get a taste of the real world and the people in it.
> >
> >Ummmm..... Yes.  I went to P-S through 4th grade.  My parents pulled me out
> when
> >I started to steal and fight
> 
> I started homeschooling halfway through 10th grade when I realized that I
> had just spent the last five months being bored stiff.  I'm now almost done
> with my second year of college, and I still haven't found anything that is
> particularly difficult.  (I don't understand why people claim classes like
> Data Structures or Differential Equations are hard).
> 
> Mark

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Steve <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> a écrit dans le message :
slr### [at] zero-ppslocaldomain...
> I think everyone feels a bit like that about their own work, it's because
> you've been concentrating on it for so long and you know every single detail
> and you know about all the hidden thing that are wrong with it.
That is.... you're right.
But when you see H.E.Day work, well...


> Post your work here, some of the simple stuff is the best.
Really-really simple stuff is allowed ?...
Hum... What about a sphere on a checkered plane ?...

Well... I'll do that....

j/k
FD

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Hi all,

I was just joking !...
(well... maybe only 90%...)
:-))

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Lewis wrote:

> You people are spoiled.

Nah, underchallenged.

> In Israel, the schooling system is so different that the only people
> home-schooling are the ones with really, really bad grades and usually
> more than just that for problems.
>
> We have "final exams" on our last three years of school, which combined
> with a year average form the grading system (plus a physchometric exam)
> by which the universities (no colleges, really) choose who to accept.
> The point is, we work very hard in our last few years in school
> (espcially the last two) and even if you're is rather smart, it's still
> a whole damn lot of work. Of course the real geniuses always have a good
> time, but you gotta be REALLY smart for that. I'm talking about kids who
> go to university when they're 15 to 17 years old.

Bah! I'll have just turned 18 when I start college, and Lord knows I could have
skipped seventh grade... but this is America, after all. It's true our schools
lag. Still, I don't think I'd be up to the workload of somewhere like Israel or
Japan.

> I was in LA for 2 years, during my sixth and seventh grades; My
> impression is that school in America, by experience, is MUCH easier!
> Everything is less hard, less work, less everything. I think this has to
> do with the level - in Israel the level is much higher, at least in
> certain subjects. For example, part of our "final test" in Math (in the
> highest of the three levels you can chooes, which is what I did)
> includes Vectors, Complex numbers, integral + differencial mathematics,
> and more stuff. In the US, and europe too as far as I know, you don't do
> this until late college. It's cool, yeah, but demands a lot of work when
> you do it at 17. About 2 hours a day is the max you can squeeze out for
> rendering most years, but at the end of each years I happens that you
> never see you computer for a whole week. This is for about 3 months.

I agree! Comprehensive at my school is sooo easy (but I'm in a lot of AP and the
magnet program, so I get some good material).
I've had complex numbers and some intro to vectors, but no integral or
differential (at least not in class, but I have a general idea of their
functionality down :-) ). 10th grade.

> Anyway, my particular school is (was, I graduated last year) a rather
> new school (mine was the third class) and like all new schools founded
> as an alternative to rotten old schools, the teachers young, nice,
> helpful, idealistic, etc. and although it's a lot of hard work, it's a
> pleasent place to study.

My school varies quite a bit. My bio teacher is only at her second year of
teaching, my math teacher is kinda old but a great teacher because he used to be a
college professor... and then there's the East building's basement -- a bunch of
ugly old cranky women who teaching English and history... staying couped up in
that dark hallway halfway underground watching History channel all day must get to
them...

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On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 20:54:45 +0200, Lewis wrote:
>You people are spoiled.
>
>In Israel, the schooling system is so different that the only people
>home-schooling are the ones with really, really bad grades and usually
>more than just that for problems.

In the UK it's quite corrupt when it comes to home schooling.  If you've
got loads of money then it's fine to teach your children at hoem (I mean
live in a mansion, have servants and all that kind of thing).  If you're
an ordinary family and you decide to tutor your children at home (no 
matter what lengths you go to and how much effory you put in), you get 
put in prison for not sending your children to school.

One of the worst hypocracies of our so called freedom and democracy.  

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In article <38E7FAE5.FA191B63@faricy.net>, David Fontaine 
<dav### [at] faricynet> wrote:

> ... there was too much busywork...

This is the one thing I hate the most about public schools(and to a 
lesser extent, the private school I am now going to). They feel the 
curriculum isn't big enough, so they add needless work which wastes time 
and teaches nothing.
My Grammar III class is a good example of this...


> and I've always hated English anyway for it's narrow-minded PC 
> socio-political moral values focus), 

At least I am not alone in hating English, though my reason is just that 
I am not any good at it(especially diagramming sentences...argh!). That 
and the sheer repetition of it...year after year after year of the same 
stuff.

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I'm Home Schooled and I still get out. Gap is the place where they sell
cards.

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All anyone has to do to see the sad state of public education in our country
is is watch Jay Leno and his camera crew walk the streets of L.A./Beverly
Hills and ask people simple questions on history and geography.

I'm very happy to be homeschooling my two daughters. I wish more people had
the opportunity to do it.

David
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reality are built upon the three P's.
Patience, Planning, and Perseverance."

H.E. Day <hed### [at] fcinet> wrote in message news:38E806C5.C05C1E91@fci.net...
> Ummmm..... Yes.  I went to P-S through 4th grade.  My parents pulled me
out when
> I started to steal and fight.  P-S was nothing but a year-long camp to me,
> mainly because no one told me different.
> (And the thing that convinced me that they were *really* dumb was that I
stuffed
> all my homework into my desk and never touched it and was still getting As
!!!!
> Idiots!)
>
> Now I'm a year ahead in Math, doing Physics and not having much trouble in
> anything else.  I am eternally grateful to my parents.

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Chris Huff wrote:

> At least I am not alone in hating English, though my reason is just that
> I am not any good at it(especially diagramming sentences...argh!). That
> and the sheer repetition of it...year after year after year of the same
> stuff.

Wow, you get to study English in English? Instead, we study literature and
half the kids don't know what the difference is between an adjective and an
adverb.

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In article <38EA75F7.3D199B9D@faricy.net>, David Fontaine 
<dav### [at] faricynet> wrote:

> Wow, you get to study English in English? Instead, we study 
> literature and half the kids don't know what the difference is 
> between an adjective and an adverb.

Well, I know the difference between an adjective and an adverb, I just 
can't identify them in a sentence reliably, and forget about 
prepositions, appositives, gerunds, infinitives, etc...
Which is unfortunate, since the curriculum mostly consists of 
identifying sentence parts...
I already took American Literature and General Literature(or World 
Literature), they counted as English classes too, as I recall. Basic 
Composition was bad, but I managed to get through it. My biggest problem 
is Grammar III, I just failed the past two grading periods and am not on 
a good start in the current one.

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Chris Huff wrote in message ...
>Well, I know the difference between an adjective and an adverb, I just
>can't identify them in a sentence reliably, and forget about
>prepositions, appositives, gerunds, infinitives, etc...


Just remember to never, under any circumstances, split an infinitive.
A preposition is something you should not end a sentence with.

and so on...

Mark

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Mark Wagner wrote:

> Just remember to never, under any circumstances, split an infinitive.
> A preposition is something you should not end a sentence with.
> 
> and so on...

I just make it up as I go.

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In article <38ead0b5@news.povray.org>, "Mark Wagner" 
<mar### [at] gtenet> wrote:

> Just remember to never, under any circumstances, split an infinitive.
> A preposition is something you should not end a sentence with.
> 
> and so on...

Ehh, right...
The problem is that I can only rarely identify those, even in my own 
sentences. :-(

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On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:35:53 -0400, "Mark Wagner"
<mar### [at] gtenet> wrote:

>Just remember to never, under any circumstances, split an infinitive.
>A preposition is something you should not end a sentence with.

Nice one :)


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Mark Wagner wrote:

> Chris Huff wrote in message ...
> >Well, I know the difference between an adjective and an adverb, I just
> >can't identify them in a sentence reliably, and forget about
> >prepositions, appositives, gerunds, infinitives, etc...
>
> Just remember to never, under any circumstances, split an infinitive.
> A preposition is something you should not end a sentence with.
>
> and so on...
>
> Mark

I didn't get this one before Peter Popov commented.

But how would one in english say the last rule in a way that
obeys the rule?

Tor Olav

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Tor Olav Kristensen <tto### [at] onlineno> wrote in message
news:38E### [at] onlineno...
> Mark Wagner wrote:
>
> > Chris Huff wrote in message ...
> > >Well, I know the difference between an adjective and an adverb, I just
> > >can't identify them in a sentence reliably, and forget about
> > >prepositions, appositives, gerunds, infinitives, etc...
> >
> > Just remember to never, under any circumstances, split an infinitive.
> > A preposition is something you should not end a sentence with.
> >
> > and so on...
> >
> > Mark
>
> I didn't get this one before Peter Popov commented.
>
> But how would one in english say the last rule in a way that
> obeys the rule?

Never end a sentence with in a preposition.
OR
A preposition should never end a sentence.
OR
A preposition is something with which you should not finish a sentence.


Darcy

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Darcy Johnston wrote:

> Tor Olav Kristensen <tto### [at] onlineno> wrote in message
> news:38E### [at] onlineno...
> > Mark Wagner wrote:
> > ...
> > > Just remember to never, under any circumstances, split an infinitive.
> > > A preposition is something you should not end a sentence with.
> > >
> > > and so on...
> > >
> > > Mark
> >
> > I didn't get this one before Peter Popov commented.
> >
> > But how would one in english say the last rule in a way that
> > obeys the rule?
>
> Never end a sentence with in a preposition.
> OR
> A preposition should never end a sentence.
> OR
> A preposition is something with which you should not finish a sentence.
>
> Darcy

The last of your sentences is closest to the original and looks best.
(But my tongue stumbles when I try to say it!)

But would a common native speaker of english (can I say that?)
come up with such a sentence without thinking twice?

Tor Olav

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Bob Hughes wrote:

> I thought about this kind of thing too.  I'd hate to think some people would be
> discouraged about their own endevours after seeing such good stuff.  Many of us
> already understand that there's a certain beauty to the simple sphere
> primitive... and especially interesting when given a patterned texture.  That
> ought to be a mantra chanted by the masses while the others trodden over our
> lackluster scene files.

The epic  works of   HED,  JvS,  Mitch Hazelgrove, and infrequently, no13,
inspire me to greatness. They are an inspiration and I enjoy seeing and learning
from them.

What depresses and utterly discourages  me is portfolio-dumps to the IRTC of
pre-existing work that has been worked on for the past year and made by a team of
people with 3DS and $4000 plugins.

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Like "Robotz", "Trianglez", and "Creaturez".
Bah.

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Don't quite understand your "bah." Do you share my frustration?

Your works are great, and doable  if one had a huge brain and 4-5 hours
a day of perspiration to pour into an image. It INSPIRES me.

These  works DEPRESS me.  Something is not right. Hence my comment,
"What depresses and utterly discourages  me is portfolio-dumps to the
IRTC of pre-existing work that has been worked on for the past year and
made by a team of
people with 3DS and $4000 plugins."

H.E. Day wrote:

> Like "Robotz", "Trianglez", and "Creaturez".
> Bah.
>
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> H.E. Day

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