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From: Mark Wagner
Subject: Re: 30202
Date: 5 Mar 2000 00:58:39
Message: <38c1f78f$1@news.povray.org>
David Fontaine wrote in message <38C1F08E.706E209D@faricy.net>...
>What's this one?


42 in base  2*sqrt(-1)

Mark


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: 30202
Date: 5 Mar 2000 09:11:41
Message: <38C269FE.F40D9644@attglobal.net>
Mark Wagner wrote:
> 
> David Fontaine wrote in message <38C1F08E.706E209D@faricy.net>...
> >What's this one?
> 
> 42 in base  2*sqrt(-1)

Huh?  42 is a real number, while i is an imaginary value.  Both of which
are orthognal.  You can't express a real number using an imaginary base.

> 
> Mark

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From: Mike White
Subject: Re: 30202
Date: 5 Mar 2000 13:41:56
Message: <38c2aa74@news.povray.org>
Francois Labreque <fla### [at] attglobalnet> wrote in message
news:38C269FE.F40D9644@attglobal.net...
>
>
> Mark Wagner wrote:
> >
> > David Fontaine wrote in message <38C1F08E.706E209D@faricy.net>...
> > >What's this one?
> >
> > 42 in base  2*sqrt(-1)
>
> Huh?  42 is a real number, while i is an imaginary value.  Both of which
> are orthognal.  You can't express a real number using an imaginary base.
>
> >
> > Mark

wouldn't 100 in base 2*sqrt(-1) = -4 in base 10?

and 10000 in base 2*sqrt(-1) = 16 in base 10?


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: 30202
Date: 5 Mar 2000 16:14:52
Message: <38C2CD79.2F90EB8A@attglobal.net>
Mike White wrote:
> 
> Francois Labreque <fla### [at] attglobalnet> wrote in message
> news:38C269FE.F40D9644@attglobal.net...
> >
> >
> > Mark Wagner wrote:
> > >
> > > David Fontaine wrote in message <38C1F08E.706E209D@faricy.net>...
> > > >What's this one?
> > >
> > > 42 in base  2*sqrt(-1)
> >
> > Huh?  42 is a real number, while i is an imaginary value.  Both of which
> > are orthognal.  You can't express a real number using an imaginary base.
> >
> > >
> > > Mark
> 
> wouldn't 100 in base 2*sqrt(-1) = -4 in base 10?

No.  I read 2*sqrt(-1) as "two times the square root of minus one",
which is equal to 2i.
You're thinking about [sqrt(-1)]^2, or "the square root of minus one,
squared".

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From: Mike White
Subject: Re: 30202
Date: 5 Mar 2000 16:35:19
Message: <38c2d317@news.povray.org>
Francois Labreque <fla### [at] attglobalnet> wrote in message
news:38C2CD79.2F90EB8A@attglobal.net...
>
>
> Mike White wrote:
> >
> > Francois Labreque <fla### [at] attglobalnet> wrote in message
> > news:38C269FE.F40D9644@attglobal.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark Wagner wrote:
> > > >
> > > > David Fontaine wrote in message <38C1F08E.706E209D@faricy.net>...
> > > > >What's this one?
> > > >
> > > > 42 in base  2*sqrt(-1)
> > >
> > > Huh?  42 is a real number, while i is an imaginary value.  Both of
which
> > > are orthognal.  You can't express a real number using an imaginary
base.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> >
> > wouldn't 100 in base 2*sqrt(-1) = -4 in base 10?
>
> No.  I read 2*sqrt(-1) as "two times the square root of minus one",
> which is equal to 2i.
> You're thinking about [sqrt(-1)]^2, or "the square root of minus one,
> squared".
>
> --

100 in base 2*sqrt(-1) should equal  -4

1*((2*sqrt(-1))^2) + 0*((2*sqrt(-1))^1)+0*((2*sqrt(-1))^0) = -4


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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: 30202
Date: 5 Mar 2000 22:17:02
Message: <38C32280.8A0A755F@faricy.net>
Mark Wagner wrote:

> 42 in base  2*sqrt(-1)

3 * 2^4 * i^4 = 3*16*1 = 48
0 * 2^3 * i^3 = 0*8*-i = 0
2 * 2^2 * i^2 = 2*4*-1 = -8
0 * 2^1 * i^1 = 0*2*i  = 0
2 * 2^0 * i^0 = 2*1*1  = 2
----------------------------
42

gotcha

what're the rules for this base? Couldn't I also write it 40602? I mean,
because you can't write a number two ways with other bases. (Or do you
take the smallest representation possible? If you know what I'm trying
to say... if you can cancel out values in two of the digits you do so)

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From: Mike White
Subject: Re: 30202
Date: 5 Mar 2000 23:39:50
Message: <38c33696@news.povray.org>
David Fontaine <dav### [at] faricynet> wrote in message
news:38C32280.8A0A755F@faricy.net...
> Mark Wagner wrote:
>
> > 42 in base  2*sqrt(-1)
>
> 3 * 2^4 * i^4 = 3*16*1 = 48
> 0 * 2^3 * i^3 = 0*8*-i = 0
> 2 * 2^2 * i^2 = 2*4*-1 = -8
> 0 * 2^1 * i^1 = 0*2*i  = 0
> 2 * 2^0 * i^0 = 2*1*1  = 2
> ----------------------------
> 42
>
> gotcha
>
> what're the rules for this base? Couldn't I also write it 40602? I mean,
> because you can't write a number two ways with other bases. (Or do you
> take the smallest representation possible? If you know what I'm trying
> to say... if you can cancel out values in two of the digits you do so)
>

Shouldn't all coefficients be "less" than the base?

Is 3 less than 2i ?


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From: Scott Reid
Subject: Re: 30202
Date: 5 Mar 2000 23:41:11
Message: <38C34463.27969034@home.com>
What's all this discussion for anyway? If you know the answer to the
question of life, the universe, and everything, you can't know the
actual question, and vice versa, so...


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From: Mark Wagner
Subject: Re: 30202
Date: 6 Mar 2000 01:17:25
Message: <38c34d75@news.povray.org>
David Fontaine wrote in message <38C32280.8A0A755F@faricy.net>...
>what're the rules for this base? Couldn't I also write it 40602? I mean,
>because you can't write a number two ways with other bases. (Or do you
>take the smallest representation possible? If you know what I'm trying
>to say... if you can cancel out values in two of the digits you do so)


No.  Base 2i uses the digits 0 through 3, so the number 40602 cannot be in
base 2i

Mark


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From: Moon47
Subject: Re: 30202
Date: 6 Mar 2000 01:40:14
Message: <38C203AA.F75DB971@earthlink.net>
Well actually you can for less than a fraction of a second and then
................. =)
( if my memory serves me >?)

Scott Reid wrote:

> What's all this discussion for anyway? If you know the answer to the
> question of life, the universe, and everything, you can't know the
> actual question, and vice versa, so...


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