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From: Psychomek
Subject: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 5 Feb 2000 19:15:50
Message: <389CBFC1.C79A5FB3@cyberhighway.net>
Behold the DEADLY Beauty!!!!!!
Your Computer now has the Beta Version of Aids.jpg


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From: Psychomek
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 5 Feb 2000 19:17:56
Message: <389CC07E.ED9ECBB9@cyberhighway.net>
Psychomek wrote:

> Behold the DEADLY Beauty!!!!!!
> Your Computer now has the Beta Version of Aids.jpg
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  [Image]

This is the Computer Model of the Aids Virus....   Pretty But Deadly....


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From: Bugs74
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 5 Feb 2000 19:32:37
Message: <389cc125@news.povray.org>
This is NOT funny...


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From: H E  Day
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 5 Feb 2000 19:46:26
Message: <389CC3F5.CB03F8A0@fci.net>
I agree.

Psychomek wrote:

> Psychomek wrote:
>
> > Behold the DEADLY Beauty!!!!!!
> > Your Computer now has the Beta Version of Aids.jpg
> >
> >   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  [Image]
>
> This is the Computer Model of the Aids Virus....   Pretty But Deadly....

--
H.E. Day


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From: Noah A
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 5 Feb 2000 20:54:30
Message: <389CD4B4.9B0B3262@powersurfr.com>
very good i'd rerender with less reflection and maybe radiosity perhaps a
steriogram? and pick a collaborative color cheame


Psychomek wrote:

> Behold the DEADLY Beauty!!!!!!
> Your Computer now has the Beta Version of Aids.jpg
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  [Image]


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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 5 Feb 2000 22:53:18
Message: <389CEFF0.937A3CFF@faricy.net>
So does this virus attack my antivirus software and then mutate its code?

Psychomek wrote:

> Behold the DEADLY Beauty!!!!!!
> Your Computer now has the Beta Version of Aids.jpg

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From: Peter Warren
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 05:42:18
Message: <389d500a@news.povray.org>
I think this is a *very* funny image.

Needs some work, but still funny.

I am laughing inside.

Peter Warren
war### [at] hotmailcom


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From: Peter Warren
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 05:47:14
Message: <389d5132@news.povray.org>
Noah A wrote in message <389CD4B4.9B0B3262@powersurfr.com>...
>very good i'd rerender with less reflection and maybe radiosity perhaps a
>steriogram? and pick a collaborative color cheame
I would humbly suggest that the color cheame is
not a problem with this pic.

Not being a chemist I would nonetheless pick a
more Paisley Park color scheme for this image.
You know, all light and fluffy.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Peter Warren
flame_me_at
war### [at] hotmailcom


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From: Sander
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 06:38:49
Message: <389d5d49@news.povray.org>
As an ex-biochemist I wondered why there is so much variation in color (many
different atoms) and so little variation in size between the different kinds
of atoms...  But then: these viruses are weird!

--
Regards,
Sander


Psychomek <psy### [at] cyberhighwaynet> schreef in berichtnieuws
389CBFC1.C79A5FB3@cyberhighway.net...
> Behold the DEADLY Beauty!!!!!!
> Your Computer now has the Beta Version of Aids.jpg
>


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From: Sigmund Kyrre Aas
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 06:47:03
Message: <389D5ECA.BE59AD7C@stud.ntnu.no>
In some other ngs I have a filter which delets posts with more than 3
exclamation marks.. Glad I don't here, cause I enjoyed your image. 
How did you make this? (And is there a cure?)

sig.

Psychomek wrote:
> 
> Behold the DEADLY Beauty!!!!!!
> Your Computer now has the Beta Version of Aids.jpg
> 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  [Image]


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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 11:46:09
Message: <389DA489.AB2E0744@attglobal.net>
Psychomek wrote:
> 
> Psychomek wrote:
> 
> > Behold the DEADLY Beauty!!!!!!
> > Your Computer now has the Beta Version of Aids.jpg
> >
> >   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  [Image]
> 
> This is the Computer Model of the Aids Virus....   Pretty But Deadly....

Just the RNA strand?  In the litterature, the AIDS virus is always shown
as a "fuzzy" ball.

-- 
Francois Labreque | Unfortunately, there's no such thing as a snooze
     flabreq      | button on a cat who wants breakfast.
        @         |      - Unattributed quote from rec.humor.funny
  attglobal.net


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From:  jivvy
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 12:31:16
Message: <389dafe4@news.povray.org>
> As an ex-biochemist I wondered why there is so much variation in color
(many
> different atoms) and so little variation in size between the different
kinds
> of atoms...  But then: these viruses are weird!

I think this was meant as a quite colorful joke only... it doesn't really
looking anything at all like HIV...

Claire


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From: Psychomek
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 14:20:28
Message: <389DCC44.ED425278@cyberhighway.net>
Sorry to all i Offended But as a Homosexual i think the AIDS virus in
computer generated form looks beautiful and it was a tasteless joke i
agree...  but i had to get your attention somehow.....and they are
looking in to a new drug (a protein to be exact to block the AIDS virus
from even attaching itself to the T-20 cells but at the moment it is
just in it's first stage of human testing)

Bugs74 wrote:

> This is NOT funny...


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From: Psychomek
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 14:21:54
Message: <389DCC9D.22C08706@cyberhighway.net>
A PDB of the RNA of the HIV/AIDS virus and what you have seen is the Electron
Microscope images of the Virus with it's shell...  but this is just the RNA

Francois Labreque wrote:

> Psychomek wrote:
> >
> > Psychomek wrote:
> >
> > > Behold the DEADLY Beauty!!!!!!
> > > Your Computer now has the Beta Version of Aids.jpg
> > >
> > >   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >  [Image]
> >
> > This is the Computer Model of the Aids Virus....   Pretty But Deadly....
>
> Just the RNA strand?  In the litterature, the AIDS virus is always shown
> as a "fuzzy" ball.
>
> --
> Francois Labreque | Unfortunately, there's no such thing as a snooze
>      flabreq      | button on a cat who wants breakfast.
>         @         |      - Unattributed quote from rec.humor.funny
>   attglobal.net


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From: Psychomek
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 14:24:26
Message: <389DCD34.E114893E@cyberhighway.net>
Noah A wrote:

> very good i'd rerender with less reflection and maybe radiosity perhaps a
> steriogram? and pick a collaborative color cheame

I agree on the reflection and the radiosity but i am unable to do the steriogram
due to the fact i can't really see steriograms....   and the Color scheme is the
same as what the scientists would use (except for a few atoms which where didn't
have the colors attached when i got the PDB)

>
>
> Psychomek wrote:
>
> > Behold the DEADLY Beauty!!!!!!
> > Your Computer now has the Beta Version of Aids.jpg
> >
> >   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  [Image]


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From: Psychomek
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 14:25:30
Message: <389DCD74.2AC72F7C@cyberhighway.net>
No real computer virus here just a computer generated biological virus

David Fontaine wrote:

> So does this virus attack my antivirus software and then mutate its code?
>
> Psychomek wrote:
>
> > Behold the DEADLY Beauty!!!!!!
> > Your Computer now has the Beta Version of Aids.jpg
>
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From: Psychomek
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 14:26:12
Message: <389DCD9F.FECF48F6@cyberhighway.net>
This Particular RNA strand has over 9000 atoms in it....  that is the reason for
the Color variation

Sander wrote:

> As an ex-biochemist I wondered why there is so much variation in color (many
> different atoms) and so little variation in size between the different kinds
> of atoms...  But then: these viruses are weird!
>
> --
> Regards,
> Sander
>
> Psychomek <psy### [at] cyberhighwaynet> schreef in berichtnieuws
> 389CBFC1.C79A5FB3@cyberhighway.net...
> > Behold the DEADLY Beauty!!!!!!
> > Your Computer now has the Beta Version of Aids.jpg
> >


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From: Psychomek
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 14:26:40
Message: <389DCDBB.7E2604B6@cyberhighway.net>
See 2 posts above


jivvy wrote:

> > As an ex-biochemist I wondered why there is so much variation in color
> (many
> > different atoms) and so little variation in size between the different
> kinds
> > of atoms...  But then: these viruses are weird!
>
> I think this was meant as a quite colorful joke only... it doesn't really
> looking anything at all like HIV...
>
> Claire


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From: Psychomek
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 14:27:18
Message: <389DCDE0.C094DB33@cyberhighway.net>
See the first post about offending people

Sigmund Kyrre Aas wrote:

> In some other ngs I have a filter which delets posts with more than 3
> exclamation marks.. Glad I don't here, cause I enjoyed your image.
> How did you make this? (And is there a cure?)
>
> sig.
>
> Psychomek wrote:
> >
> > Behold the DEADLY Beauty!!!!!!
> > Your Computer now has the Beta Version of Aids.jpg
> >
> >   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  [Image]


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From:  jivvy
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 14:31:09
Message: <389dcbfd@news.povray.org>
got it -- you're into levels where I have little understanding of the
science... I know I should never try to respond to posts with anything
borderline scientific in it -- I'm in over my head before I start. ;)

Claire


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From: Sander
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 16:57:01
Message: <389dee2d@news.povray.org>
I know that, but thanks.

--
Regards,
Sander


jivvy <web### [at] freegraphicscom> schreef in berichtnieuws
389dafe4@news.povray.org...
> > As an ex-biochemist I wondered why there is so much variation in color
> (many
> > different atoms) and so little variation in size between the different
> kinds
> > of atoms...  But then: these viruses are weird!
>
> I think this was meant as a quite colorful joke only... it doesn't really
> looking anything at all like HIV...
>
> Claire
>
>


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From: Sander
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 17:02:08
Message: <389def60@news.povray.org>
Are you saying that you haven't used more than 5 colours?? RNA has C, N, O,
P, and H only... :<

--
Regards,
Sander


Psychomek <psy### [at] cyberhighwaynet> schreef in berichtnieuws
389DCD9F.FECF48F6@cyberhighway.net...
> This Particular RNA strand has over 9000 atoms in it....  that is the
reason for
> the Color variation
>
> Sander wrote:


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From: Sander
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 17:09:30
Message: <389df11a@news.povray.org>
I Was too fast answering: wanted to add I have been an electron microscopist
for 25 years. But HIV hasn't been my interest. More like plant viruses, to
start with. Never made pictures of RNA, though.

--
Regards,
Sander


Sander <san### [at] stolscom> schreef in berichtnieuws
389def60@news.povray.org...
> Are you saying that you haven't used more than 5 colours?? RNA has C, N,
O,
> P, and H only... :<
>
> --
> Regards,
> Sander
>
>
> Psychomek <psy### [at] cyberhighwaynet> schreef in berichtnieuws
> 389DCD9F.FECF48F6@cyberhighway.net...
> > This Particular RNA strand has over 9000 atoms in it....  that is the
> reason for
> > the Color variation
> >
> > Sander wrote:
>
>
>


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From: Psychomek
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 17:49:07
Message: <389DFD2F.AE463B80@cyberhighway.net>
Sander wrote:

> Are you saying that you haven't used more than 5 colours?? RNA has C, N, O,
> P, and H only... :<
>
> --
> Regards,
> Sander
>
> Psychomek <psy### [at] cyberhighwaynet> schreef in berichtnieuws
> 389DCD9F.FECF48F6@cyberhighway.net...
> > This Particular RNA strand has over 9000 atoms in it....  that is the
> reason for
> > the Color variation
> >
> > Sander wrote:

Actually I am not a molecular Biologist myself.  so i didn't really know that
But i did download this RNA from the PDB database and on the Unknown color
atoms i just added the C color that comes with Moray. I never deleted the
Unused textures so not really sure what all colors are in it


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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 17:52:23
Message: <389DFAE4.7A1A492A@faricy.net>
Psychomek wrote:

> No real computer virus here just a computer generated biological virus
>
> David Fontaine wrote:
>
> > So does this virus attack my antivirus software and then mutate its code?

I know, but that is what HIV does to people...

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From: Charles Fusner
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 18:13:43
Message: <389DFF7A.BC9B6B95@enter.net>
David Fontaine wrote:
> 
> So does this virus attack my antivirus software and then mutate its code?
> 

No, just your JPEGs. So the next time you have a render that didn't
turn out exactly as you planned, you can conveniently blame it on
having opened this post. :)

Charles


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From: Ryan Mooney
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 6 Feb 2000 23:36:18
Message: <389CFC75.5A91FF32@earthlink.net>
Good thing i always use protection...
Vedy interestingk.....

Psychomek wrote:

> Behold the DEADLY Beauty!!!!!!
> Your Computer now has the Beta Version of Aids.jpg
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  [Image]


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From: Thomas Willhalm
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 7 Feb 2000 04:43:20
Message: <qqmln4xcpqf.fsf@schlatt.fmi.uni-konstanz.de>
Psychomek <psy### [at] cyberhighwaynet> writes:

> Sorry to all i Offended But as a Homosexual i think the AIDS virus in
> computer generated form looks beautiful and it was a tasteless joke i
> agree...  but i had to get your attention somehow.....

IMHO good or interesting images (as yours) get attention in this group.
There is NO NEED TO CRY nor to use several exclamation marks!!!!
A descriptive subjects is helpful, too.

On the other hand, I have no problem with you mentioning that the virus 
looks beautiful despite its deadliness.

Thomas

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From: Matt Giwer
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 7 Feb 2000 05:18:37
Message: <389E9C39.5A2204A9@ij.net>
Sander wrote:

> I Was too fast answering: wanted to add I have been an electron microscopist
> for 25 years. But HIV hasn't been my interest. More like plant viruses, to
> start with. Never made pictures of RNA, though.

    Unless I missed something, which is very, very likely, there is no or there
is only one image of what might be HIV.


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From: Rick [Kitty5]
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 7 Feb 2000 06:24:50
Message: <389eab82@news.povray.org>
"Psychomek" <psy### [at] cyberhighwaynet> wrote in message
news:389CBFC1.C79A5FB3@cyberhighway.net...
> Behold the DEADLY Beauty!!!!!!
> Your Computer now has the Beta Version of Aids.jpg

complexity, simplicity and beauty - nice work!

Rick


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From: Peter Warren
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 7 Feb 2000 07:44:21
Message: <389ebe25@news.povray.org>
David Fontaine wrote in message <389DFAE4.7A1A492A@faricy.net>...
>I know, but that is what HIV does to people...
so does the flu. Your point being...


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From: Peter Warren
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 7 Feb 2000 07:53:47
Message: <389ec05b@news.povray.org>
>I never deleted the
>Unused textures so not really sure what all colors are in it


All in all I think you did a very good job.
Too bad your image went unnoticed.:)

Thanks,
Peter Warren
war### [at] hotmailcom


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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 7 Feb 2000 17:43:34
Message: <389F4A51.81120AFD@faricy.net>
Peter Warren wrote:

> David Fontaine wrote in message <389DFAE4.7A1A492A@faricy.net>...
> >I know, but that is what HIV does to people...
> so does the flu. Your point being...

Does the flu permanently sabatoges your immune system?
Is it a retrovirus? (no reall y I am asking)
because HIV targets your T-20 cells or whatever and it's a retrovirus so
its genetic code constantly changes and that is why they cannot make a
vaccine

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From: Peter Popov
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 7 Feb 2000 19:48:26
Message: <RlCfOCfdUfzAcNlWBZZz0JZkewUr@4ax.com>
On Sat, 05 Feb 2000 19:26:41 -0500, Psychomek
<psy### [at] cyberhighwaynet> wrote:

>Behold the DEADLY Beauty!!!!!!
>Your Computer now has the Beta Version of Aids.jpg

Terrence Is Not Deaf / There's No Need To Shout

:)

A nice molecule. Ditto to the anaglyph. Oh, and put some global media
(scattering type 3) and a light_source behing the thing. j/k :)


Peter Popov
pet### [at] usanet
ICQ: 15002700


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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 7 Feb 2000 22:57:32
Message: <389EEC20.F6643E45@home.com>
Well the fact the it mutates does make it harder to make a vaccine for AIDS.
But the main reason is that what we normally consider a vaccine depends on
you have a healthy immune system. Usually the inject a weakened strain  or
dead viruses into your body. Then your immune system recognizes the virus
and produces an immune reaction and antibodies. Next time you get the virus
your body has the antibodies to recognize and fight it off. This is not
possible for HIV because of its vary nature. It hides away from the immune
system so you never develop immunity to it. I believe current vaccine work
is being done on trying to block the proteins the virus uses to enter a
humans cells. This is quite different from a normal vaccine.

David Fontaine wrote:

> Peter Warren wrote:
>
> > David Fontaine wrote in message <389DFAE4.7A1A492A@faricy.net>...
> > >I know, but that is what HIV does to people...
> > so does the flu. Your point being...
>
> Does the flu permanently sabatoges your immune system?
> Is it a retrovirus? (no reall y I am asking)
> because HIV targets your T-20 cells or whatever and it's a retrovirus so
> its genetic code constantly changes and that is why they cannot make a
> vaccine
>
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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 7 Feb 2000 23:41:54
Message: <389F9E42.F92FBB28@faricy.net>
Thomas Lake wrote:

> Well the fact the it mutates does make it harder to make a vaccine for AIDS.
> But the main reason is that what we normally consider a vaccine depends on
> you have a healthy immune system. Usually the inject a weakened strain  or
> dead viruses into your body. Then your immune system recognizes the virus
> and produces an immune reaction and antibodies. Next time you get the virus
> your body has the antibodies to recognize and fight it off. This is not
> possible for HIV because of its vary nature. It hides away from the immune
> system so you never develop immunity to it.

They cannot inject dead viruses, and viruses cannot hide, because viruses are
not alive ;-)

> I believe current vaccine work
> is being done on trying to block the proteins the virus uses to enter a
> humans cells. This is quite different from a normal vaccine.

Yes, that is what's being done now.
As for the RNA being the reason why they can't make a normal vaccine; my biology
teacher told me that so it could easily be wrong.

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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 8 Feb 2000 00:13:42
Message: <389EFDFA.CE06EF7E@home.com>
A lot of differing views as to weather viruses are alive I don't think you could
come to any conclusion if you asked a number of biology teachers. Viruses have DNA
or RNA and are able to reproduce, though they need a host cell. they also follow all
of the rules for evolution so I think they are alive, though only in the most basic
of definitions. they are able to weaken them breading successive generations of them
together, all the interbreeding weakens them. And they can kill them with radiation.

David Fontaine wrote:

> Thomas Lake wrote:
>
> > Well the fact the it mutates does make it harder to make a vaccine for AIDS.
> > But the main reason is that what we normally consider a vaccine depends on
> > you have a healthy immune system. Usually the inject a weakened strain  or
> > dead viruses into your body. Then your immune system recognizes the virus
> > and produces an immune reaction and antibodies. Next time you get the virus
> > your body has the antibodies to recognize and fight it off. This is not
> > possible for HIV because of its vary nature. It hides away from the immune
> > system so you never develop immunity to it.
>
> They cannot inject dead viruses, and viruses cannot hide, because viruses are
> not alive ;-)
>
> > I believe current vaccine work
> > is being done on trying to block the proteins the virus uses to enter a
> > humans cells. This is quite different from a normal vaccine.
>
> Yes, that is what's being done now.
> As for the RNA being the reason why they can't make a normal vaccine; my biology
> teacher told me that so it could easily be wrong.
>
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From: Sander
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 8 Feb 2000 15:49:56
Message: <38a08174@news.povray.org>
Generally a live virus is considered to be able to initiate a complete
infection in the right host, while a weakened or 'dead' virus provokes a
immunological reaction mainly, is what I think I remember. Whether it's
alive is really not an interesting issue.
Have a look at http://www.xs4all.nl/~wgods/: here an old colleague of mine
vents his opinion on HIV...
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Thomas Lake <tla### [at] homecom> schreef in berichtnieuws
389EFDFA.CE06EF7E@home.com...
> A lot of differing views as to weather viruses are alive I don't think you
could
> come to any conclusion if you asked a number of biology teachers. Viruses
have DNA
> or RNA and are able to reproduce, though they need a host cell. they also
follow all
> of the rules for evolution so I think they are alive, though only in the
most basic
> of definitions. they are able to weaken them breading successive
generations of them
> together, all the interbreeding weakens them. And they can kill them with
radiation.
>
> David Fontaine wrote:
>
> > Thomas Lake wrote:
> >
> > > Well the fact the it mutates does make it harder to make a vaccine for
AIDS.
> > > But the main reason is that what we normally consider a vaccine
depends on
> > > you have a healthy immune system. Usually the inject a weakened strain
or
> > > dead viruses into your body. Then your immune system recognizes the
virus
> > > and produces an immune reaction and antibodies. Next time you get the
virus
> > > your body has the antibodies to recognize and fight it off. This is
not
> > > possible for HIV because of its vary nature. It hides away from the
immune
> > > system so you never develop immunity to it.
> >
> > They cannot inject dead viruses, and viruses cannot hide, because
viruses are
> > not alive ;-)
> >
> > > I believe current vaccine work
> > > is being done on trying to block the proteins the virus uses to enter
a
> > > humans cells. This is quite different from a normal vaccine.
> >
> > Yes, that is what's being done now.
> > As for the RNA being the reason why they can't make a normal vaccine; my
biology
> > teacher told me that so it could easily be wrong.
> >
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From: Sander
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 8 Feb 2000 15:54:36
Message: <38a0828c@news.povray.org>
Sorry: I should have added: http://www.xs4all.nl/~wgods/ and look up 'The
Moronic Majority', chapter 'The condom conspiracy'.

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Thomas Lake <tla### [at] homecom> schreef in berichtnieuws
389EFDFA.CE06EF7E@home.com...
> A lot of differing views as to weather viruses are alive I don't think you
could
> come to any conclusion if you asked a number of biology teachers. Viruses
have DNA
> or RNA and are able to reproduce, though they need a host cell. they also
follow all
> of the rules for evolution so I think they are alive, though only in the
most basic
> of definitions. they are able to weaken them breading successive
generations of them
> together, all the interbreeding weakens them. And they can kill them with
radiation.
>


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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 8 Feb 2000 16:57:24
Message: <38A090F9.D2B122BD@faricy.net>
Sander wrote:

> Generally a live virus is considered to be able to initiate a complete
> infection in the right host, while a weakened or 'dead' virus provokes a
> immunological reaction mainly, is what I think I remember. Whether it's
> alive is really not an interesting issue.

I know, I just thought I'd bring it up and see what people said :-)

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From: Francois Labreque
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 9 Feb 2000 20:42:22
Message: <38A2169D.8AA4D24F@attglobal.net>
David Fontaine wrote:
> 
> Sander wrote:
> 
> > Generally a live virus is considered to be able to initiate a complete
> > infection in the right host, while a weakened or 'dead' virus provokes a
> > immunological reaction mainly, is what I think I remember. Whether it's
> > alive is really not an interesting issue.
> 
> I know, I just thought I'd bring it up and see what people said :-)

The best definition of life I've seen so far is "something that can
cause a local decrease in entropy".  If I remember correctly, according
to this definition, virii would be alive, but prions (mad cow's disease)
wouldn't.

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From: David Fontaine
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 9 Feb 2000 21:31:06
Message: <38A22297.CD8C24F5@faricy.net>
Francois Labreque wrote:

> The best definition of life I've seen so far is "something that can
> cause a local decrease in entropy".  If I remember correctly, according
> to this definition, virii would be alive, but prions (mad cow's disease)
> wouldn't.

----------------------------------> (What you just said)
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From: Sander
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 10 Feb 2000 08:48:20
Message: <38a2c1a4@news.povray.org>
Keeping us busy, huh?

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David Fontaine <dav### [at] faricynet> schreef in berichtnieuws
38A090F9.D2B122BD@faricy.net...
>
> I know, I just thought I'd bring it up and see what people said :-)
>


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From: Andrea Ryan
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 11 Feb 2000 16:21:18
Message: <38A479F8.CFF24C6E@global2000.net>
Once, I saw a electron microscope picture of DNA next a computer generated
model.
Brendan Ryan

Sander wrote:

> I Was too fast answering: wanted to add I have been an electron microscopist
> for 25 years. But HIV hasn't been my interest. More like plant viruses, to
> start with. Never made pictures of RNA, though.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Sander
>
> Sander <san### [at] stolscom> schreef in berichtnieuws
> 389def60@news.povray.org...
> > Are you saying that you haven't used more than 5 colours?? RNA has C, N,
> O,
> > P, and H only... :<
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Sander
> >
> >
> > Psychomek <psy### [at] cyberhighwaynet> schreef in berichtnieuws
> > 389DCD9F.FECF48F6@cyberhighway.net...
> > > This Particular RNA strand has over 9000 atoms in it....  that is the
> > reason for
> > > the Color variation
> > >
> > > Sander wrote:
> >
> >
> >


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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 11 Feb 2000 20:39:03
Message: <38A411B2.67A56679@home.com>
Umm sorry perhaps I'm a bit slow but what does that site/book have to do with my
post?

Sander wrote:

> Sorry: I should have added: http://www.xs4all.nl/~wgods/ and look up 'The
> Moronic Majority', chapter 'The condom conspiracy'.
>
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> Sander
>
> Thomas Lake <tla### [at] homecom> schreef in berichtnieuws
> 389EFDFA.CE06EF7E@home.com...
> > A lot of differing views as to weather viruses are alive I don't think you
> could
> > come to any conclusion if you asked a number of biology teachers. Viruses
> have DNA
> > or RNA and are able to reproduce, though they need a host cell. they also
> follow all
> > of the rules for evolution so I think they are alive, though only in the
> most basic
> > of definitions. they are able to weaken them breading successive
> generations of them
> > together, all the interbreeding weakens them. And they can kill them with
> radiation.
> >

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From: Anton Sherwood
Subject: Re: DO NOT OPEN THIS POST!!!!! (125k solo)
Date: 30 Jul 2001 00:28:04
Message: <3B64E316.1FAB9A38@pobox.com>
Thomas Lake wrote:
> ... Viruses have DNA or RNA and are able to reproduce, though they
> need a host cell. they also follow all of the rules for evolution
> so I think they are alive, though only in the most basic of
> definitions. they are able to weaken them breading successive
> generations of them together, all the interbreeding weakens them.

Neat trick, interbreeding an asexual organism.

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