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First off, let me just say that I am shocked. Just two days ago, Gregoire
Millette posted in .general about his commitment to making a replacement for
our beloved Twysted.net, which has failed to resurface into its previous
glory. Greg offered his computer, his capital, and his time to making a new
site, called PlanetPOV. What surprised me was that he was ignored
completely. I expected a big reaction to his post, but there was none. It
seems I am the only one interested in this.
I've already exchanged a few e-mails with him. He seems enthusiastic and
serious about this. Why don't we all get together and help him? It would be
great if we could pool all those POV resources out there into one common
site, like in the good old days of Twysted.net. I'm giving my full support
to Greg's project, and I suggest you do too. I begin by officially
submitting the very first logo to the "PlanetPOV Logo Competition". I used
MegaPOV 0.3 (mainly to speed up the media), but this can be done with
Official POV 3.1g. I also used Photoshop for the text next to the logo. Let
me know if you have any suggestions for improvements. Thank you.
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TonyB wrote:
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> First off, let me just say that I am shocked. Just two days ago, Gregoire
> Millette posted in .general about his commitment to making a replacement for
> our beloved Twysted.net, which has failed to resurface into its previous
> glory. Greg offered his computer, his capital, and his time to making a new
> site, called PlanetPOV. What surprised me was that he was ignored
> completely. I expected a big reaction to his post, but there was none. It
> seems I am the only one interested in this.
For my own part it is not that I am not interested but I worry that it
will a be a duplication of a work in progress by the TAG. We have a lot
of plans for a TAG related site at povray.org that is going to contain
many of the features previously avialable at twysted.net. It's going to
take a while to get it organized but it will happen this year. It is
for that reason I did not speak up and endorse Gregoire's idea and I
suspect that the other TAG members have kept quite for similar reasons.
We have already obtained permission from the POV-Team to make these
resources available at povray.org and have been promised more resources
as needed. With this in mind I am sure that you can see that where
Twyst had mentioned that he was going to add these resources to
povray.org and failed to follow through the TAG has every intention
of succeeding in this endeavor and even now we are actively working
in the background to ensure that is does. We hope to have the Texture
Library online by sometime early next month and we should have the
TAG home page online shortly thereafter. Once we get that done I
hope to have an Iso Surface Library and a Macro Library online by
mid March to early April maybe sooner.
An example TAG sitemap (still under discussion):
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> For my own part it is not that I am not interested but I worry that it
>will a be a duplication of a work in progress by the TAG.
THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY SOMETHING SOONER?!!! You could have saved Greg and
me a couple hours of work, graphics on my side, web pages on his. >:(
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TonyB wrote:
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> > For my own part it is not that I am not interested but I worry that it
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> THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY SOMETHING SOONER?!!! You could have saved Greg and
> me a couple hours of work, graphics on my side, web pages on his. >:(
I did a month ago in the Texture Library thread in .general when responding
to peoples replies to my survey and I was equaly surprised that no one
responded in favor of it at the time.
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TonyB wrote:
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> > For my own part it is not that I am not interested but I worry that
> it
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> THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY SOMETHING SOONER?!!! You could have saved Greg
> and
> me a couple hours of work, graphics on my side, web pages on his. >:(
I don't think Greg should give up on this just right now. It's a pity he
didn't know about the TAG-initiative (I still hear Tony shouting in the
background, though he's at the other end of the globe ;)) but that
doesn't mean his input will not be appreciated by other POV-users.
I liked the name for a start.
I like the logo as well, although it states the obvious 8)
I just think the text should be a bit more readable around the planet.
At the sides of the orbit it's just a blur. The colours are nice.
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>I did a month ago in the Texture Library thread in .general when responding
>to peoples replies to my survey and I was equaly surprised that no one
>responded in favor of it at the time.
Oops... I kinda ignored that thread. Sorry. Had I read about it, you would
have had me working on it long ago. :)
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>I don't think Greg should give up on this just right now.
Why not? He started making something on his own, and it turns up the idea
was already taken (this happens to me a lot, I'm not surprised it happened
yet again). Were I him, I would immediately stop the presses and go contact
the TAG and see what I can do.
>I still hear Tony shouting in the background,
>though he's at the other end of the globe ;)
Heheh, I'm a little bit embarrassed now. I was supposed to have noticed this
in an old thread. I skip a lot of the material here for lack of time to read
it all.
>I liked the name for a start.
But Ken said it would be tag.povray.org, where good does "Planet POV" fit in
here?
>I like the logo as well, although it states the obvious 8)
I was going for that you-can-infer-the-title-from-the-logo kinda thing.
>I just think the text should be a bit more readable around the planet.
>At the sides of the orbit it's just a blur. The colours are nice.
Thanks. I know about the blur. It's that darn media. I accumulates as it
gets thicker and isn't very visible in thinner areas. Perhaps I should just
use green colored text with no interior. It would render faster.
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TonyB wrote:
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> >I did a month ago in the Texture Library thread in .general when responding
> >to peoples replies to my survey and I was equaly surprised that no one
> >responded in favor of it at the time.
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> Oops... I kinda ignored that thread. Sorry. Had I read about it, you would
> have had me working on it long ago. :)
We already have a shell of a Texture Library written meaning we have
graphics done, links in place, and a suitable search engine online.
We are a bit bogged down on server side scripting issues for automatic
texture submissions, texture review/acceptance, and site updating.
Once we get these issues resolved on our side, and get them compatible
with the server system at povray.org, you should see us online soon.
Our fingers are crossed anyway :)
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TonyB wrote:
> >I still hear Tony shouting in the background,
> >though he's at the other end of the globe ;)
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> Heheh, I'm a little bit embarrassed now. I was supposed to have noticed this
> in an old thread. I skip a lot of the material here for lack of time to read
> it all.
In response to some questions from Jeff Lee I replied with some of
the following. At the time is was a little indefinite but with my
persuasive personality I pushed them past the other TAG members
and the POV-Team in short order:
> On the other hand, if there was a large selection of various media
> effects available, I'd certainly use them. (I *still* can't figure
> out how to get media to do some of the things I used to do with halos...)
I will pass this idea on to the TAG. Media is a tricky one because it
is difficult to apply to different objects and in different lighting
conditions. What it was designed for may not work when you apply it
to your own object or scene. The catch 22 here is that media in
containers require objects and we don't want this particular library
to become an object library.
For those who might be interested we have begun talking amongst
ourselves about adding other resources like this one to povray.org.
We have not yet decided what we will offer or even obtained permission
from the POV-Team to offer any more than the texture library but we
will be working on it after the new texture library goes on line.
Some ideas I personaly have had are:
Texture Library
Object Library
Macro Library
Isosurface Library
Turorial Library
Document Library
We might offer these resources from a web page that we will call the
TAG home page. Then the seperate libraries will be accessed from there.
Again we have nothing concrete on this yet and even if we do add these
it will be in stages as we get time and permission to work on them.
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> But Ken said it would be tag.povray.org, where good does "Planet POV"
> fit in
> here?
>
If I were to choose...
(which, luckily, I'm not)
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"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbell net> wrote :
> Once we get that done I
> hope to have an Iso Surface Library and a Macro Library online by
> mid March to early April maybe sooner.
>
So I might as well stop work on the IsoSurface Library then?
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Bill DeWitt wrote:
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> "Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote :
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> > hope to have an Iso Surface Library and a Macro Library online by
> > mid March to early April maybe sooner.
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> So I might as well stop work on the IsoSurface Library then?
If you have been actively collecting Isosurfaces from the groups
contributions would be most welcome. I do anticipate that an Isosurface
Library will be one of our premier attractions though and the TAG will
have the advantage that povray.org already has a tremendous amount of
traffic to help with it's exposure. With the Macro Library I have the
complete collection that was at Twyst's site to seed it with and I need
only go through them and get permission from the original submittors
to include them in the new library.
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It's good to see people actually responding to this thread :)
I understand that the POVray site will be up and running soon with all these new
libraries and everything but will there be
news about new softwares
interview's with artists
pictures of the week
animation of the week
reviews about new software or #include files
tutorials, tips and other stuff?
Those are a couple things I had planned on incorporating into Planet POV.
There are still things that require a humanly touch as opposed to just being
generated by machine. That is what I would offer. There is so much going on in
the POV-Ray community and I'm sure people would like a site that keeps them up
to date with current softwares and happenings.
TonyB wrote:
> First off, let me just say that I am shocked. Just two days ago, Gregoire
> Millette posted in .general about his commitment to making a replacement for
> our beloved Twysted.net, which has failed to resurface into its previous
> glory. Greg offered his computer, his capital, and his time to making a new
> site, called PlanetPOV. What surprised me was that he was ignored
> completely. I expected a big reaction to his post, but there was none. It
> seems I am the only one interested in this.
>
> I've already exchanged a few e-mails with him. He seems enthusiastic and
> serious about this. Why don't we all get together and help him? It would be
> great if we could pool all those POV resources out there into one common
> site, like in the good old days of Twysted.net. I'm giving my full support
> to Greg's project, and I suggest you do too. I begin by officially
> submitting the very first logo to the "PlanetPOV Logo Competition". I used
> MegaPOV 0.3 (mainly to speed up the media), but this can be done with
> Official POV 3.1g. I also used Photoshop for the text next to the logo. Let
> me know if you have any suggestions for improvements. Thank you.
>
> [Image]
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 16:32:15 -0500, "Bill DeWitt"
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>"Ken" <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> wrote :
>> Once we get that done I
>> hope to have an Iso Surface Library and a Macro Library online by
>> mid March to early April maybe sooner.
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> So I might as well stop work on the IsoSurface Library then?
You'll do us and everyone else a great favor if you keep collecting
them isosurfaces, especially if you are willing to share the results
of your efforts with us when the time comes. If what you have in mind
is making an isosurface colleciton site, I don't see why the TAG
project should be a stopper for you. After all, there are millions of
redundant sites on the net, but who cares as long as they serve their
purpose, right?
Peter Popov
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Gregoire Millette wrote:
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> It's good to see people actually responding to this thread :)
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> I understand that the POVray site will be up and running soon with all these new
> libraries and everything but will there be
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> news about new softwares
> interview's with artists
> pictures of the week
> animation of the week
> reviews about new software or #include files
> tutorials, tips and other stuff?
>
> Those are a couple things I had planned on incorporating into Planet POV.
>
> There are still things that require a humanly touch as opposed to just being
> generated by machine. That is what I would offer. There is so much going on in
> the POV-Ray community and I'm sure people would like a site that keeps them up
> to date with current softwares and happenings.
That is a good point.
We will probably avoid stuff like reviews of software, interviews, and the
pictures/animations of the week kind of scenarios.
As far as tutorials and
upgrades to the POV-Ray documentation we will be soliciting the public for
these types of materials. We (the TAG) think that even though the POV-Ray
documentation is comprehensive there are areas that it cannot cover and
that once an official release has been made that areas of the docs may
need clarification after the fact. For this reason we are going to try to
become a documentation and tutorial store house for the Pov community. We
haven't even discussed how we are going to accomplish this yet but it is
on our growing list of things to do.
I am not trying to discourage you from setting up your own POV-Ray related
site and in fact it might be a great idea for you to do so. I for one plan
on using my considerable contacts as the Linkmaster to scrounge around for
resources to add to the TAG's web pages. If your site contains content that
may help the TAG site you may be contacted to share some of that material
with us and the rest of the POV-Ray community. On the other hand with some
of these libraries that we have planned and in the works you may want to
avoid them just for the sake of avoiding duplication of efforts. People
should also remember that any resources that the TAG makes available to
the public will be done so with the official sanctioning of the POV-Team
and therefore will be official POV-Ray resources (even though contributors
retain intellectual rights to submitted materials).
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 17:45:28 -0500, Gregoire Millette
<gfm### [at] homecom> wrote:
>It's good to see people actually responding to this thread :)
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>I understand that the POVray site will be up and running soon with all these new
>libraries and everything but will there be
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>news about new softwares
>interview's with artists
>pictures of the week
>animation of the week
>reviews about new software or #include files
>tutorials, tips and other stuff?
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>Those are a couple things I had planned on incorporating into Planet POV.
Speaking as my TAG member self, we have not yet considered putting the
first four on the TAG page, and now as my usual self, I don't think
they would belong there anyway.
>There are still things that require a humanly touch as opposed to just being
>generated by machine. That is what I would offer. There is so much going on in
>the POV-Ray community and I'm sure people would like a site that keeps them up
>to date with current softwares and happenings.
My two thumbs up for the project!
Peter Popov
pet### [at] usanet
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Doesn't look POV enough.
People who offer to host a site with all the POV resources
available come and go, there is so much work involved and
people don't seem to notice this until they start. I
didn't answer the message because the feeling that I have
about such projects these days is "I'll beleive it when I
see it".
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Steve email mailto:sjl### [at] ndirectcouk
%HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
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>Some ideas I personaly have had are:
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>Texture Library
>Object Library
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>Isosurface Library
>Turorial Library
>Document Library
One idea that springs to mind is a page or pages for different
sections, where there are thumbnails of all the standard example
source files, with the name clearly stated for each one, and
a link to the zipped up source file (behind the image).
Thumbnail: You know when you've seen one of the example scene's
and you want to use one of the features in it but
you cna't remember what it was called, and have deleted
all the old images from your temporary render directory.
Filename: So that you can go off line and find the file on your
own machine, render it if you like or just use the bits
of code that you're inetersted in.
Zipsource: So that you can d/l the source for that scene and use
it's features. I beleive that some distributions
of various patches come without all the example scenes,
others might have deleted scenefiles accidently or
purposely before doing upgrades (thinking old files will
cause problems with the upgrade perhaps).
Maybe even include poges like this for unofficaial patches aswell.
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%HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
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>Doesn't look POV enough.
How so? You want me to make it reflective and put it on a checkered plane,
or something? Will it look POV enought then? ;)
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> >Document Library
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> One idea that springs to mind is a page or pages for different
> sections, where there are thumbnails of all the standard example
> source files, with the name clearly stated for each one, and
> a link to the zipped up source file (behind the image).
I'll run your suggestion past the rest of the TAG and see what they
have to say about it. Anyone else reading this think there is merit
behind this suggestion ?
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Wait. Don't need to put the demo files which are already distributed with
POV-Ray up on a web site. Makes no sense. What does make sense is the preview
images of each scene file by name. In fact wouldn't that be great as html with
the official distribution, except for the added file size. Dang, now it's got
me thinking of hyperlinking from within POV-Ray to extract pov script and render
as you browse your computer or the internet. Too much MS Windows over the years
for me I suppose.
Bob
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| > >Document Library
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| > One idea that springs to mind is a page or pages for different
| > sections, where there are thumbnails of all the standard example
| > source files, with the name clearly stated for each one, and
| > a link to the zipped up source file (behind the image).
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| I'll run your suggestion past the rest of the TAG and see what they
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