These pictures are making for one heck of a large file size even compressed.
Should any future posts be uploaded to webspace and not here then? I too
have a render of this going now and thought I would only do it that way if
it seemed reasonable to upload at all.  What do you all think?  Bringing
this up because I can see it being redone many more times if new additions
are made.
Btw, this resolution is very good choice.  I'm going with 4000x3000 final
image but it's really not necessary, and the hf was only 1500 square and
seems fine enough to me.

Bob

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David Fontaine <dav### [at] faricynet> wrote in message
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> Here it is! Sorted by age too and no names covered up. Took 7:07:38 to
> render (and 00:18:00 for the hf at 4000x4000) with a peak mem of
> 184950473 bytes.

Ah, trying to outdo me, eh?!

j/k :)  This looks nice, but doesn't have the polished text finish of the
old one.  Also, I noticed that we ended up next to each other.  Hmph :)
Please try not to go into any crazy fits, please David?

Aha!  I think I'll do a 6400x4800 render just to spite you!  MUAHAHAHAHAHA!
Er. . .you will release the POV code, right? :)

Also, I live in Struthers, Ohio, just for the record.

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> These pictures are making for one heck of a large file size even
compressed.
> Should any future posts be uploaded to webspace and not here then? I too
> have a render of this going now and thought I would only do it that way if
> it seemed reasonable to upload at all.  What do you all think?  Bringing
> this up because I can see it being redone many more times if new additions
> are made.

I think it's okay.  It's our choice to download it.  The file size is
usually shown on news clients, and also, seeing 3200x2400 in the header will
tell you that it's big.

As long as it's not done for everything, I don't care, but if someone
displays a test image of a box in 3200x2400, then I think I'll go nuts :)

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>As long as it's not done for everything, I don't care, but if someone
>displays a test image of a box in 3200x2400, then I think I'll go nuts :)

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Attachments:
Download 'BOX1.PNG' (21 KB)

Preview of image 'BOX1.PNG'

Most pictures are more complicated than this, I mean come on, a simple
RLE-compression could go on with one color for half the pic...

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Ian Burgmyer wrote in message <386edd8a@news.povray.org>...
>>I think it's okay.  It's our choice to download it.  The file size is

Don't some people download and read offline?
What's wrong with a website. It deserves a page of it's own.

I actually plan to put up a website with stuff like this:
Pov related, not my personal images. But not at
the moment as I have two other(non-optional)
sites I have to do.

Personally I have a space concern. (!@#$% 500meg half-life!)

Peter

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On Sat, 1 Jan 2000 15:26:31 -0600, in message
<386e70f3@news.povray.org>, "omniVERSE" <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:

>These pictures are making for one heck of a large file size even compressed.
>Should any future posts be uploaded to webspace and not here then? I too
>have a render of this going now and thought I would only do it that way if
>it seemed reasonable to upload at all.  What do you all think?  Bringing
>this up because I can see it being redone many more times if new additions
>are made.

  Bob, you've made a very good point. I don't see a purpose to uploading
these large images unless they are *final* renders of a given image.
They consume way too much server space for something that may need to be
re-rendered at least once every two weeks to remain current with
additions to the Age List.

  I would consider posting a .url where we could take a look for
ourselves. An alternative would be that any person who renders updates
to their own work would 'cancel' the previous image to help conserve
server space for something original. It's all a bit redundant. This
still doesn't address the concerns of people who download everything
from this news server and then disseminate it while offline. They are in
for some unplanned, lengthy online sessions :(

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I resaved this "box" in both Gif and Jpg format and they were 36KB and 45KB
respectively.  I was a bit surprised to see that this 256 color Png was so
space thrifty.

Bob

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> Most pictures are more complicated than this, I mean come on, a simple
> RLE-compression could go on with one color for half the pic...
>

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> Also, I live in Struthers, Ohio, just for the record.
>

Yet another change already, my name disk here can't get cold as wallpaper if
this keeps up  ;-)
Hey, it's tough to add people, I pity you David because all those arrays
have to be counted through and each inserted with the new info.  Wish I knew
a better way.  At least one thing I did was to make the array number a
variable so it could be easily changed all at once by declaring it at the
beginning of the namelisthf.pov.

Bob

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Well, I still have a little space on a very inactive web site.
I could put this there, and make a link for it from the List
of Ages page. Would that be OK? If it is, could you give a 
thumbnail of this monument and some sort of credits to be 
displayed with it?

Alan Kong wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2000 15:26:31 -0600, in message
> <386e70f3@news.povray.org>, "omniVERSE" <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:
> 
> >These pictures are making for one heck of a large file size even compressed.
> >Should any future posts be uploaded to webspace and not here then? I too
> >have a render of this going now and thought I would only do it that way if
> >it seemed reasonable to upload at all.  What do you all think?  Bringing
> >this up because I can see it being redone many more times if new additions
> >are made.
> 
>   Bob, you've made a very good point. I don't see a purpose to uploading
> these large images unless they are *final* renders of a given image.
> They consume way too much server space for something that may need to be
> re-rendered at least once every two weeks to remain current with
> additions to the Age List.
> 
>   I would consider posting a .url where we could take a look for
> ourselves. An alternative would be that any person who renders updates
> to their own work would 'cancel' the previous image to help conserve
> server space for something original. It's all a bit redundant. This
> still doesn't address the concerns of people who download everything
> from this news server and then disseminate it while offline. They are in
> for some unplanned, lengthy online sessions :(
> 
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Good morning, Bob. Png will beat out an 8-bit, 256-color GIF just
about every time because it uses a superior compression algorithm. In
the case of Mark's "Box", there are really just 17 colors and the JPEG
cannot make efficient use of its lossy compression scheme.

On Sun, 2 Jan 2000 08:26:38 -0600, in message
<386f600e@news.povray.org>, "omniVERSE" <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote:

>I resaved this "box" in both Gif and Jpg format and they were 36KB and 45KB
>respectively.  I was a bit surprised to see that this 256 color Png was so
>space thrifty.

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The site is in place: http://home.gci.net/~mrart/Monuments.html
Any comments, ideas, bad jokes, ect are welcome.
The list as it stands is at: http://home.gci.net/~mrart/Ages.html

Mr. Art

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> 
> Well, I still have a little space on a very inactive web site.
> I could put this there, and make a link for it from the List
> of Ages page. Would that be OK? If it is, could you give a
> thumbnail of this monument and some sort of credits to be
> displayed with it?
>

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>   Bob, you've made a very good point. I don't see a purpose to uploading
> these large images unless they are *final* renders of a given image.
> They consume way too much server space for something that may need to be
> re-rendered at least once every two weeks to remain current with
> additions to the Age List.

I do consider this a "final" render, and for new additions it is always possible
to cancel old posts.

>   I would consider posting a .url where we could take a look for
> ourselves. An alternative would be that any person who renders updates
> to their own work would 'cancel' the previous image to help conserve
> server space for something original. It's all a bit redundant. This
> still doesn't address the concerns of people who download everything
> from this news server and then disseminate it while offline. They are in
> for some unplanned, lengthy online sessions :(

Point taken. I originally thought it best not to use a URL for privacy reasons,
but I suppose mr. art has his age list so that's probably best.

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> The list as it stands is at: http://home.gci.net/~mrart/Ages.html

What happened to TonyB?

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> The list as it stands is at: http://home.gci.net/~mrart/Ages.html

What happened to Sander?

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David Fontaine wrote:
> 
> > The list as it stands is at: http://home.gci.net/~mrart/Ages.html
> 
> What happened to Sander?

Sander is number 2 on the list and TonyB is number 5 on the list. Time
to get your glasses checked ?

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> Sander is number 2 on the list and TonyB is number 5 on the list. Time
> to get your glasses checked ?

My mistake, I was looking for TonyB instead of Anthony and I was checking
from the bottom up.

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> Hey, it's tough to add people, I pity you David because all those arrays
> have to be counted through and each inserted with the new info.  Wish I knew
> a better way.  At least one thing I did was to make the array number a
> variable so it could be easily changed all at once by declaring it at the
> beginning of the namelisthf.pov.

Nope. Copy and paste the list into POV, then use column select to add commas and
quotation marks where necessary and all you really have to do is add the array
declarations. Except its kind of a pain to keep pressing End * " to get those *
at the end of all variable-length strings. I wish I still had that programmable
keyboard...

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What do you mean, "What happened to Sander, and TonyB"?
They are near the top of the list. It is sorted by 
first name with Alexander and Anthony near the top.
If you would like to see the list sorted by month/day
or by place, there is a link to text files at the bottom.
I suppose that I should include one sorted by age also.

Mr. Art

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> > The list as it stands is at: http://home.gci.net/~mrart/Ages.html
> 
> What happened to Sander?
> 
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As for getting the asterisks on the ends of all the names and locations, it was so
easy! Use column select to surround every entry with quotation marks, then use
Replace All and change "space-quotation" to "asterisk-quotation" and again to change
all "space-asterisk" to "asterisk". That adds the asterisks and gets rid of all
spaces before them.

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Good tip, just that for the arrays for day, month, year, location have to be
counted the number of positions from the beginning of each to add another in
according to the persons name position in the list.  Easy to miscount, and
just not easy to do anyway.  That's mostly what I was getting at, after
having the script generally done there's those updates from there which go
like that then.  Or that's how I added Eric Freeman in today anyhow, no idea
what you have figured out for doing it (same way?).

Bob

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> As for getting the asterisks on the ends of all the names and locations,
it was so
> easy! Use column select to surround every entry with quotation marks, then
use
> Replace All and change "space-quotation" to "asterisk-quotation" and again
to change
> all "space-asterisk" to "asterisk". That adds the asterisks and gets rid
of all
> spaces before them.
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No, I just made a whole new list or else I add them to the end since it will be
sorted anyway.

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Some of us pay for the use of the phone line, and d/l all of the messages
in one go then read them off line.  So if someone posts an unsuitably big
image or irrelevant binary, then we pay for the d/l weather we wanted to 
see it or not.  

As long as everyone exersises caution and consideration when posting then
everyone will be happy.



On Sat, 1 Jan 2000 23:56:14 -0500, Ian Burgmyer 
<the### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>omniVERSE <inv### [at] aolcom> wrote in message
>news:386e70f3@news.povray.org...
>> These pictures are making for one heck of a large file size even
>compressed.
>> Should any future posts be uploaded to webspace and not here then? I too
>> have a render of this going now and thought I would only do it that way if
>> it seemed reasonable to upload at all.  What do you all think?  Bringing
>> this up because I can see it being redone many more times if new additions
>> are made.
>
>I think it's okay.  It's our choice to download it.  The file size is
>usually shown on news clients, and also, seeing 3200x2400 in the header will
>tell you that it's big.
>
>As long as it's not done for everything, I don't care, but if someone
>displays a test image of a box in 3200x2400, then I think I'll go nuts :)
>
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On 3 Jan 2000 21:32:14 -0500, sjl### [at] zero-ppslocaldomain (Steve)
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>Some of us pay for the use of the phone line, and d/l all of the messages
>in one go then read them off line.  So if someone posts an unsuitably big
>image or irrelevant binary, then we pay for the d/l weather we wanted to 
>see it or not.  

Yes, and with the quality of the phone service in Bulgaria (line
dropping every 10 minutes in the daytime) and knowing that the nntp
protocol does not support resuming, it gets one hell of an experience
to view the other posts, because p.b.a. and p.b.i. are one of the
first alphabetically (and they are checked in that order).


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