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Well, this is one of my first(and only) attempts at a "Real Life" (tm)
item. it's a oil burner.(or "Aroma Jar") Basicly, you mix a little water
with some fragrance oil in the top, and put a candle beneath.
Issues:
I can't get the brushed metal feel "right" this one is instead of the
real thing that is brushed in circles, giving a dull fine feeling. I
can't seem to do it without severe moire patterns(or, if I zoom in
something terribly)
Water is too blue. I know, I know. I'm still working on this one. If
anyone has a good water I'm happy to take it .-)
I'm happy with the model as such(yep, all CSG). but then, it wasn't a
very difficult object to model in csg, due to teh very clean feel of it.
(Actually, i'd say this is close to perfect, can't find any issues)
i'd like some input on this(hey, now its like RL, lets make it better:-)
but as I stated, I'm not happy with the metal, and i need to work some
with the water(how's the irid?)
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the metal might look better if it was simply in an environment.
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Yeah, I agree with this. I have a little POV room I keep so that I can look
at metals and glass in it. You need various reflections to get the right
look.
Ross Litscher <lit### [at] osu edu> wrote in message
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> the metal might look better if it was simply in an environment.
>
>
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How about shooting a few photons at this?
STB### [at] aolcom
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Water isn't blue. Water is clear. Water looks better if it reflects its
environment. Water is wet, and has a specific index of refraction (1.33 at
20 degrees C.). Water does not sit in containers in a flat manner.
With all of that said, my water sux. :)
I think the SuperPatch will make the best water, currently. I haven't had
good success with it yet, but I'm still convinced. I can't wait to see the
photon patch added to the super patch and all added to Pov 3.5.
I also can't wait until I have the patience to produce stunning water! :)
GrimDude
vos### [at] arkansasnet
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Actually, I thought it just had an oil slick...
It could be renamed: Valdez Oil Burner thingy.
O.K. I'll stop...no more jokes.
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once I get the photons up running again, I will.
"SamuelT." wrote:
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> How about shooting a few photons at this?
>
> STB### [at] aolcom
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I agree with both of you, but I can't say I have one at hand. This is a simple
"workbench" for me, and I use this (with a smaller Arealight) to model most of
items.
And, I for one belive that most textures must be "tweaked" to fit in a scene...
Bill DeWitt wrote:
>
> Yeah, I agree with this. I have a little POV room I keep so that I can look
> at metals and glass in it. You need various reflections to get the right
> look.
>
> Ross Litscher <lit### [at] osuedu> wrote in message
> news:373655e7.0@news.povray.org...
> > the metal might look better if it was simply in an environment.
> >
> >
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And the meek'll inherit what they damn well please
Get ahead, go figure, go ahead and pull the trigger
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GrimDude wrote:
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> Water isn't blue.
I know :-)
> Water is clear.
Not really, depends.
> Water looks better if it reflects its environment.
I know, it does. :-)
> Water is wet,
How do I make pov water wet?
material{
feel{
liquid 1 //liquid takes a exponent. at 3 you'll have syrup.
headache 0 //This removes all the headache from making textures
}
}
/* This is stupid */
> and has a specific index of refraction (1.33 at 20 degrees C.).
Yep, this does :-)
> Water does not sit in containers in a flat manner.
Nope, but I haven't yet managed to make it "cling" to the borders of the
bowl....
> With all of that said, my water sux. :)
Hey, look at mine then.
> I think the SuperPatch will make the best water, currently. I haven't had
> good success with it yet, but I'm still convinced. I can't wait to see the
> photon patch added to the super patch and all added to Pov 3.5.
Well, perhaps I'll look into it (through a lens of.... water)
> I also can't wait until I have the patience to produce stunning water! :)
ditto.
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//Spider -- [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
And the meek'll inherit what they damn well please
Get ahead, go figure, go ahead and pull the trigger
Everything under the gun
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Spider wrote:
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> I agree with both of you, but I can't say I have one at hand. This is a simple
> "workbench" for me, and I use this (with a smaller Arealight) to model most of
> items.
>
With reflective images I always use a sphere with a lot of turbulence and
contrast and a plane in the background. It can also help to throw in some extra
bright light.
Remco
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Now that was interesting... Thanx.. I'll test it :-)
Remco de Korte wrote:
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> Spider wrote:
> >
> > I agree with both of you, but I can't say I have one at hand. This is a simple
> > "workbench" for me, and I use this (with a smaller Arealight) to model most of
> > items.
> >
>
> With reflective images I always use a sphere with a lot of turbulence and
> contrast and a plane in the background. It can also help to throw in some extra
> bright light.
>
> Remco
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Spider <spi### [at] bahnhofse> wrote in message
news:3736E6E5.6BF5E28B@bahnhof.se...
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> > Water does not sit in containers in a flat manner.
> Nope, but I haven't yet managed to make it "cling" to the borders of the
> bowl....
>
Difference with a superellipsoid?
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Bill DeWitt wrote:
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> Spider <spi### [at] bahnhofse> wrote in message
> news:3736E6E5.6BF5E28B@bahnhof.se...
> >
> >
> > > Water does not sit in containers in a flat manner.
> > Nope, but I haven't yet managed to make it "cling" to the borders of the
> > bowl....
> >
>
> Difference with a superellipsoid?
Hmm... That would be something... but I've looked at the original a bit more
now, and I reakky can't see that effect here... Don't know why...
(... yeye ...)
(... Ken, It's back ...)
(... ... ...)
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Get ahead, go figure, go ahead and pull the trigger
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Check out the read me file that accompanies the SuperPatch. There is a
really good model for angle dependant reflections specifically for liquids
(reflection_type 1). This really messes with radiosity settings (just my
experience), but it is so *very* realistic.
My favorite environment for reflectivity is a desert scene applied to the
inverse of a sphere. A little turbulence helps, it's true.
GrimDude
vos### [at] arkansasnet
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Well.. This project has changed drasticly. From beeing a modelling task, to a
texturing task.. and that isn't really what I had in mind..
I'm going to finish this one off now.. make a .inc and post here..
please, show me one with a good water in it :-)
and no, I'm not quitting on the water... I'm going to revive an old scene with a
well in it... try and see what I can improve in it... (mostly light-settings,
radiosity. No angle dependent reflections, since the water isn't that visible,
and shouldn't reflect much in the place I have the camera.
GrimDude wrote:
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> Check out the read me file that accompanies the SuperPatch. There is a
> really good model for angle dependant reflections specifically for liquids
> (reflection_type 1). This really messes with radiosity settings (just my
> experience), but it is so *very* realistic.
> My favorite environment for reflectivity is a desert scene applied to the
> inverse of a sphere. A little turbulence helps, it's true.
>
> GrimDude
> vos### [at] arkansasnet
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Get ahead, go figure, go ahead and pull the trigger
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Nice work.
Water colour: Background/Skysphere. I think thats probably it.
Irid: Looks good.
Metal: Multiple textures. One plane gray, then on top one with
a darker grey with a bozo pattern and clear.
I've never seen an oil burner like this before, all the ones I've
seen have been made of clay.
Cheers
Steve
PS: Make the plane under the burner a bit more interesting.
Spider wrote:
>
> Well, this is one of my first(and only) attempts at a "Real Life" (tm)
> item. it's a oil burner.(or "Aroma Jar") Basicly, you mix a little water
> with some fragrance oil in the top, and put a candle beneath.
>
> Issues:
> I can't get the brushed metal feel "right" this one is instead of the
> real thing that is brushed in circles, giving a dull fine feeling. I
> can't seem to do it without severe moire patterns(or, if I zoom in
> something terribly)
>
> Water is too blue. I know, I know. I'm still working on this one. If
> anyone has a good water I'm happy to take it .-)
>
> I'm happy with the model as such(yep, all CSG). but then, it wasn't a
> very difficult object to model in csg, due to teh very clean feel of it.
> (Actually, i'd say this is close to perfect, can't find any issues)
>
> i'd like some input on this(hey, now its like RL, lets make it better:-)
>
> but as I stated, I'm not happy with the metal, and i need to work some
> with the water(how's the irid?)
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> [Image]
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Steve wrote:
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> Nice work.
>
> Water colour: Background/Skysphere. I think thats probably it.
Hmm, yes. I should add a sky, definitely.
> Irid: Looks good.
Thanx.
> Metal: Multiple textures. One plane gray, then on top one with
> a darker grey with a bozo pattern and clear.
yep, that's it :-)
> I've never seen an oil burner like this before, all the ones I've
> seen have been made of clay.
I've seen those too... in all forms, small houses, mushrooms. but I sorta liked
this one for it's clean shapes. It fits my room better than the others.
> PS: Make the plane under the burner a bit more interesting.
I shall, as well as a sky_sphere and some fog... Just to get a good promo for
the model :-)
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Get ahead, go figure, go ahead and pull the trigger
Everything under the gun
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Spider wrote:
> (... yeye ...)
> (... Ken, It's back ...)
> (... ... ...)
Back to school !
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mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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... I... Guess... so... perhaps... I... should... do... that... or...
something... or...
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
... ...
Ken wrote:
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> Spider wrote:
>
> > (... yeye ...)
> > (... Ken, It's back ...)
> > (... ... ...)
>
> Back to school !
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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//Spider -- [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
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Get ahead, go figure, go ahead and pull the trigger
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On Mon, 10 May 1999 21:26:41 +0200, Spider <spi### [at] bahnhofse> wrote:
(re: Bill DeWitt's suggestion)
>> Difference with a superellipsoid?
>Hmm... That would be something... but I've looked at the original a bit more
>now, and I reakky can't see that effect here... Don't know why...
It worked for me in a scene I've been working on to show off photon
mapping. My scene needs more work to look presentable but try adding a
color pigment to the water and the superellipsoid difference object to
make it temporarily more visible while you tweak the superellipsoid
parameters to get the right amount of 'cling' to the sides of your
container object.
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Yay! A fellow Quake fan :P
-Ian
P.S. I like the image, but the water texture needs some work. . .
Spider <spi### [at] bahnhofse> wrote in message
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> Thanx, But I only have limited time for this now. (IRTC here I come...
Finally..
> wait.. It's unbelivable if I make it.. *hehe*)
>
> Well, I'll post the .inc and a demo soon(hours)
>
> Then its back to Quake3 ... whee.. realtime scanline graphics.. that
actually
> looks good.. *smiles*
>
>
>
> Alan Kong wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 10 May 1999 21:26:41 +0200, Spider <spi### [at] bahnhofse> wrote:
> >
> > (re: Bill DeWitt's suggestion)
> > >> Difference with a superellipsoid?
> > >Hmm... That would be something... but I've looked at the original a bit
more
> > >now, and I reakky can't see that effect here... Don't know why...
> >
> > It worked for me in a scene I've been working on to show off photon
> > mapping. My scene needs more work to look presentable but try adding a
> > color pigment to the water and the superellipsoid difference object to
> > make it temporarily more visible while you tweak the superellipsoid
> > parameters to get the right amount of 'cling' to the sides of your
> > container object.
> > --
> > Alan
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> > povray.org - official home of the Persistence of Vision Ray Tracer
> > news.povray.org - where POV-Ray enthusiasts from around the world
> > - get together to exchange ideas and experiences
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --
> file://Spider --
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> And the meek'll inherit what they damn well please
> Get ahead, go figure, go ahead and pull the trigger
> Everything under the gun
> --"Sisters Of Mercy" -- "Under The Gun"
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GrimDude wrote:
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> Classic Quake forever!
>
> Quake 3? You mean it's out?
>
> GrimDude
> vos### [at] arkansasnet
We got quakes all the time out here in California what's the big deal ?
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W00! Now to pull my Voodoo2 out of the dust (haven't played any 3D
accelerated game lately)
Thanks for the notice, Spider!
Hey, anyone play TeamFortress or Action Quake? I know this is really
off-topic and rather stupid, but. . . :)
-Ian
Spider <spi### [at] bahnhofse> wrote in message
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> The test is out..
>
> Get it at http://www.quake3arena.com
> I must say, the graphics in this game is _great_ beats anything I've
played
> before..
> This is the true use for a scanline tracer... *grins*
>
>
> GrimDude wrote:
> >
> > Classic Quake forever!
> >
> > Quake 3? You mean it's out?
> >
> > GrimDude
> > vos### [at] arkansasnet
>
> --
> file://Spider --
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> And the meek'll inherit what they damn well please
> Get ahead, go figure, go ahead and pull the trigger
> Everything under the gun
> --"Sisters Of Mercy" -- "Under The Gun"
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