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From: Alex Vandiver
Subject: Fractal Ooze
Date: 30 Apr 1999 05:48:31
Message: <37296E22.EE317082@tiac.net>
With all of these fractals flying around, I decided to dig through a
book I had lying around.  There's an interesting passage in the book,
where it is discussing these figures, called 3d dragon curves, and I
quote,
"..he uses IBM's computer resources to plot a million or more points in
three dimensions to generate a three-dimensional dragon curve.  He then
runs a ray tracing program which determines the illumination of every
point and the positioning of it on a two-dimensional display.  Needless
to say, this is beyond the capability of our personal compters."
The book is a little out of date, apparently.. (published in 1990)  I
didn't quite use a million points, but I did use 1 out of every 5 of my
288000 calculated points.  57600 blobs still makes a pretty funky image,
tho..
-Alex V.


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From: Lewis
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 30 Apr 1999 08:54:56
Message: <37299AA6.9E1D2EAF@netvision.net.il>
Funky! Why is it called Dragon Fractals?


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From: Marc Schimmler
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 30 Apr 1999 09:00:22
Message: <37299B55.D1DB3ACF@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>
I guess you have serious problems to answer to the right posting! :-)

You can cancel the ones that have gone wrong with 

EDIT -> cancel message   in your netscape menu.

Have a nice day,

Marc
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From: Lewis
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 30 Apr 1999 09:05:07
Message: <37299D0A.8C53D7EB@netvision.net.il>
The problem is that I only notice AFTER posting them!

Marc Schimmler wrote:
> 
> I guess you have serious problems to answer to the right posting! :-)
> 
> You can cancel the ones that have gone wrong with
> 
> EDIT -> cancel message   in your netscape menu.
> 
> Have a nice day,
> 
> Marc
> --
> Marc Schimmler


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From: Marc Schimmler
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 30 Apr 1999 09:14:27
Message: <37299EA1.4BF1E6C5@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>
Lewis wrote:
> 
> The problem is that I only notice AFTER posting them!


That's what it is for!

To cancel your post after posting! After you've seen it is wrong!

Believe me, I had to do this too! ;-)

Marc
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From: Lewis
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 30 Apr 1999 09:31:31
Message: <3729A33B.239B9840@netvision.net.il>
Thanks! But what if someone tries to cancel my messages?


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From: Marc Schimmler
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 30 Apr 1999 09:34:14
Message: <3729A345.1C2D84FB@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>
Lewis wrote:
> 
> Thanks! But what if someone tries to cancel my messages?

This is not possible! I would have been tempted to do that with -@--
posts! :-)

Only the poster can cancel it. And only from the same address if I
remember right.

Marc
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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 30 Apr 1999 10:40:29
Message: <3729B294.CEEC7BF3@aol.com>
Yep, I have done many a Edit/Cancel Message in Netscape Communicator once
I notice errors after it posts. I just do the cancel soon as I can while
looking at the post.


Marc Schimmler wrote:
> 
> Lewis wrote:
> >
> > Thanks! But what if someone tries to cancel my messages?
> 
> This is not possible! I would have been tempted to do that with -@--
> posts! :-)
> 
> Only the poster can cancel it. And only from the same address if I
> remember right.
> 
> Marc
> --
> Marc Schimmler

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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 30 Apr 1999 10:41:27
Message: <3729B2CC.E22C57DF@aol.com>
Hardly seems a fractal to me. Reminds me somewhat of 3D plotting using 2D
programs.


Alex Vandiver wrote:
> 
> With all of these fractals flying around, I decided to dig through a
> book I had lying around.  There's an interesting passage in the book,
> where it is discussing these figures, called 3d dragon curves, and I
> quote,
> "..he uses IBM's computer resources to plot a million or more points in
> three dimensions to generate a three-dimensional dragon curve.  He then
> runs a ray tracing program which determines the illumination of every
> point and the positioning of it on a two-dimensional display.  Needless
> to say, this is beyond the capability of our personal compters."
> The book is a little out of date, apparently.. (published in 1990)  I
> didn't quite use a million points, but I did use 1 out of every 5 of my
> 288000 calculated points.  57600 blobs still makes a pretty funky image,
> tho..
> -Alex V.
> 
>   --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  [Image]  [Image]  [Image]

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From: Rick (Kitty5)
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 30 Apr 1999 12:23:56
Message: <3729cb0c.0@news.povray.org>
Animate them!!!
do them rolling round or something, that would look really weird, these are
excellent!

Rick
Alex Vandiver <van### [at] tiacnet> wrote in message
news:37296E22.EE317082@tiac.net...
> With all of these fractals flying around, I decided to dig through a
> book I had lying around.  There's an interesting passage in the book,
> where it is discussing these figures, called 3d dragon curves, and I
> quote,
> "..he uses IBM's computer resources to plot a million or more points in
> three dimensions to generate a three-dimensional dragon curve.  He then
> runs a ray tracing program which determines the illumination of every
> point and the positioning of it on a two-dimensional display.  Needless
> to say, this is beyond the capability of our personal compters."
> The book is a little out of date, apparently.. (published in 1990)  I
> didn't quite use a million points, but I did use 1 out of every 5 of my
> 288000 calculated points.  57600 blobs still makes a pretty funky image,
> tho..
> -Alex V.
>
>


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From: Thomas Willhalm
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 30 Apr 1999 12:46:57
Message: <qqmogk6yutr.fsf@goldach.fmi.uni-konstanz.de>
Marc Schimmler <sch### [at] icauni-stuttgartde> writes:

> Lewis wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks! But what if someone tries to cancel my messages?
> 
> This is not possible! I would have been tempted to do that with -@--
> posts! :-)
> 
> Only the poster can cancel it. And only from the same address if I
> remember right.

Since you can fake your address, it is possible to cancel articles of
other users. I haven't tried it, but I know that it is possible at least
on other newsservers.

Thomas (hoping that Nick won't read this)

-- 
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From: Steve
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 30 Apr 1999 16:35:43
Message: <3729FE8E.C37C21BD@ndirect.co.uk>
Thomas

Are you sure about this?  Administrators can delete messages, but
I would think that if I post a message here and go away, turn off
and come back tomorrow, I might not be able to remove even my own
messages.  I'm on DHCP via my ISP, and tomorrow would probably
have a different unique identifier.

Just thinking.....

Cheers
Steve

Thomas Willhalm wrote:
> 
> Marc Schimmler <sch### [at] icauni-stuttgartde> writes:
> 
> > Lewis wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks! But what if someone tries to cancel my messages?
> >
> > This is not possible! I would have been tempted to do that with -@--
> > posts! :-)
> >
> > Only the poster can cancel it. And only from the same address if I
> > remember right.
> 
> Since you can fake your address, it is possible to cancel articles of
> other users. I haven't tried it, but I know that it is possible at least
> on other newsservers.
> 
> Thomas (hoping that Nick won't read this)
> 
> --
> http://www.fmi.uni-konstanz.de/~willhalm


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From: Spider
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 30 Apr 1999 23:46:03
Message: <3729DE83.244645F6@bahnhof.se>
interesting images, what was the formulae, again?
(*hint*)

Alex Vandiver wrote:
> 
> With all of these fractals flying around, I decided to dig through a
> book I had lying around.  There's an interesting passage in the book,
> where it is discussing these figures, called 3d dragon curves, and I
> quote,
> "..he uses IBM's computer resources to plot a million or more points in
> three dimensions to generate a three-dimensional dragon curve.  He then
> runs a ray tracing program which determines the illumination of every
> point and the positioning of it on a two-dimensional display.  Needless
> to say, this is beyond the capability of our personal compters."
> The book is a little out of date, apparently.. (published in 1990)  I
> didn't quite use a million points, but I did use 1 out of every 5 of my
> 288000 calculated points.  57600 blobs still makes a pretty funky image,
> tho..
> -Alex V.
> 
>   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  [Image]  [Image]  [Image]

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From: Ken
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 1 May 1999 01:55:36
Message: <372A88B7.FAA61FCB@pacbell.net>
Marc Schimmler wrote:
> 
> I guess you have serious problems to answer to the right posting! :-)
> 
> You can cancel the ones that have gone wrong with
> 
> EDIT -> cancel message   in your netscape menu.

I just press the delete key. Saves steps and works exactly the same.

-- 
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From: Rygad
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 1 May 1999 03:14:55
Message: <372a9bdf.0@news.povray.org>
anyone know how to delete your own messages in IE5?

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Marc Schimmler <sch### [at] icauni-stuttgartde> wrote in message
news:37299B55.D1DB3ACF@ica.uni-stuttgart.de...
> I guess you have serious problems to answer to the right posting! :-)
>
> You can cancel the ones that have gone wrong with
>
> EDIT -> cancel message   in your netscape menu.
>
> Have a nice day,
>
> Marc
> --
> Marc Schimmler


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From: GrimDude
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 1 May 1999 03:49:54
Message: <372aa412.0@news.povray.org>
Umm, under "Compose" I think. Cancel message.

GrimDude
vos### [at] arkansasnet


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From: Alex Vandiver
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 1 May 1999 07:54:58
Message: <372ADD73.3990FC30@tiac.net>
Spider wrote:

> interesting images, what was the formulae, again?
> (*hint*)

Unfortunatly, I'm not all that clear on the formula, myself, I just thought it looked
interesting.. ;>
Originally, I wrote the code to export the points in Turbo Pascal, but here's the POV
translation of it; make sense of it what you will.  I'm not posting this as a real
macro, though, as it would take way too long to get any number of points.  POV just
doesn't like the serious number crunching..  As soon as I can throw one together, I'll
post a .. *gasp* .. 2d .. image of the dragon curve, which will probably make it more
clear why it's called that..  Hrm.  Actually, as posting of 2d images is unlawful
around
here, I just may have to TGAmosaic it.. *g*
-Alex

---- Code follows ----
-- Oooh! Indention! --

#declare detail = 400;   // Lower numbers make more blobs..
#declare Qval = 0.97064; // Main parameter to change to get different shapes.
                         // Note that Qval=0 doesn't work.. this is actually the
                         // imaginary part of a complex number; P is the real
                         // part.
#declare R = seed(42);

blob {
#declare k = 3;
#while (k >= -3)
  #debug concat(str(k,5,5),"\n")
  #declare tx = 0.50001;
  #declare ty = 0;
  #declare magnitude = (k*k + Qval*Qval);
  #declare Q = (-4*Qval/magnitude);
  #declare P = (4*k/magnitude);
  #declare i = 1;
  #while (i <= 12000)       // Iteration part.  Each iteration is more accurate.
    #declare temp_x = (tx*P - ty*Q);
    #declare ty = (tx*Q + ty*P);
    #declare temp_y = ty;
    #declare tx = (1- temp_x);
    #declare magnitude = sqrt(tx*tx + ty*ty);
    #declare ty = sqrt((-tx+magnitude)/2);
    #declare tx = sqrt((tx+magnitude)/2);
    #if (temp_y < 0)
      #declare tx = (-tx);
    #end
    #if (rand(R) < 0.5)  // 50-50 chance of using the negative square root
      #declare tx = (-tx);
      #declare ty = (-ty);
    #end
    #declare tx = ((1-tx)/2);
    #declare ty = (ty/2);
    #declare tz = (P/2);
    #if (mod(i,detail) = 0)
      sphere {<tx,ty,tz>,0.0625,1  pigment {rgb vnormalize(<tx,ty,tz>)} finish {phong
1/(1+sqrt(tx*tx + ty*ty))}}
    #end
    #declare i = (i+1);
  #end
  #declare k = (k - 0.025);
#end
}


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From: Alex Vandiver
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 1 May 1999 09:54:05
Message: <372AF957.6C4C4415@tiac.net>
Here's the promised 2d image.  It uses the same function, but only takes a
crossection.  If
you stretch your imagination, it *might* look like a dragon..
-Alex


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From: Thomas Lake
Subject: Looks like julia (82k)
Date: 1 May 1999 17:58:28
Message: <372B6AE8.C5B43480@home.com>
Interesting. Now I know almost nothing about fractals so I don't know if this has
anything to
do with it but the outline of this "dragon curve" looks a bit like the outline of a
julia
fractal. I've posted a julia fractal from Fractint.

Alex Vandiver wrote:

> Here's the promised 2d image.  It uses the same function, but only takes a
crossection.  If
> you stretch your imagination, it *might* look like a dragon..
> -Alex
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  [Image]


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From: Rick (Kitty5)
Subject: Re: Looks like julia (82k)
Date: 2 May 1999 09:44:16
Message: <372c48a0.1@news.povray.org>
I think you might be on to something here!

I love Fractint, anybody else ever play with it?

Rick
Thomas Lake <tla### [at] homecom> wrote in message
news:372B6AE8.C5B43480@home.com...
> Interesting. Now I know almost nothing about fractals so I don't know if
this has anything to
> do with it but the outline of this "dragon curve" looks a bit like the
outline of a julia
> fractal. I've posted a julia fractal from Fractint.
>
> Alex Vandiver wrote:
>
> > Here's the promised 2d image.  It uses the same function, but only takes
a crossection.  If
> > you stretch your imagination, it *might* look like a dragon..
> > -Alex
> >
>
  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  [Image]
>


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From: Lewis
Subject: Re: Looks like julia (82k)
Date: 2 May 1999 09:46:53
Message: <372C4A11.46E4B77D@netvision.net.il>
me


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From: Lance Birch
Subject: Re: Looks like julia (82k)
Date: 2 May 1999 11:33:35
Message: <372c623f.0@news.povray.org>
I thought everyone did...

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From: Ph Gibone
Subject: Re: Looks like julia (82k)
Date: 2 May 1999 12:10:33
Message: <372c6ae9.0@news.povray.org>
Zillion times : I have a huge collection of standard fractals (made with
fractint) and personnal ones (in fractint you can write patches !)
Philippe

Rick (Kitty5) a écrit dans le message <372c48a0.1@news.povray.org>...
>I think you might be on to something here!
>
>I love Fractint, anybody else ever play with it?
>
>Rick
>Thomas Lake <tla### [at] homecom> wrote in message
>news:372B6AE8.C5B43480@home.com...
>> Interesting. Now I know almost nothing about fractals so I don't know if
>this has anything to
>> do with it but the outline of this "dragon curve" looks a bit like the
>outline of a julia
>> fractal. I've posted a julia fractal from Fractint.
>>
>> Alex Vandiver wrote:
>>
>> > Here's the promised 2d image.  It uses the same function, but only
takes
>a crossection.  If
>> > you stretch your imagination, it *might* look like a dragon..
>> > -Alex
>> >
>>
>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >  [Image]
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From: Steve
Subject: Re: Looks like julia (82k)
Date: 2 May 1999 17:44:43
Message: <372CAC15.B098785B@ndirect.co.uk>
Yep, a hell of a lot.  

Rick (Kitty5) wrote:
> 
> I think you might be on to something here!
> 
> I love Fractint, anybody else ever play with it?
> 
> Rick
> Thomas Lake <tla### [at] homecom> wrote in message


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From: Lewis
Subject: Re: Looks like julia (82k)
Date: 2 May 1999 17:59:27
Message: <372CBD69.1719B327@netvision.net.il>
Now that I think about it, I bet that 90% of Fractint users are povers
as well.


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From: Ian Burgmyer
Subject: Re: Looks like julia (82k)
Date: 2 May 1999 18:06:57
Message: <372cbe71.0@news.povray.org>
I found an old copy on a shareware CD. . .YES YES YES!  I'm a Fractint
addict!

-Ian

P.S. Are there any recent versions of it?  If there is, where can I get it?
Thanks in advance.

Rick (Kitty5) <kit### [at] dialpipexcom> wrote in message
news:372c48a0.1@news.povray.org...
> I think you might be on to something here!
>
> I love Fractint, anybody else ever play with it?
>
> Rick
> Thomas Lake <tla### [at] homecom> wrote in message
> news:372B6AE8.C5B43480@home.com...
> > Interesting. Now I know almost nothing about fractals so I don't know if
> this has anything to
> > do with it but the outline of this "dragon curve" looks a bit like the
> outline of a julia
> > fractal. I've posted a julia fractal from Fractint.
> >
> > Alex Vandiver wrote:
> >
> > > Here's the promised 2d image.  It uses the same function, but only
takes
> a crossection.  If
> > > you stretch your imagination, it *might* look like a dragon..
> > > -Alex
> > >
> >
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >  [Image]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From: Ph Gibone
Subject: Re: Looks like julia (82k)
Date: 2 May 1999 18:13:25
Message: <372cbff5.0@news.povray.org>
19.6 AFAIK and that is an old version, search fractint on yahoo or whatever
search engine.

Philippe
Ian Burgmyer a écrit dans le message <372cbe71.0@news.povray.org>...
>I found an old copy on a shareware CD. . .YES YES YES!  I'm a Fractint
>addict!
>
>-Ian
>
>P.S. Are there any recent versions of it?  If there is, where can I get it?
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Rick (Kitty5) <kit### [at] dialpipexcom> wrote in message
>news:372c48a0.1@news.povray.org...
>> I think you might be on to something here!
>>
>> I love Fractint, anybody else ever play with it?
>>
>> Rick
>> Thomas Lake <tla### [at] homecom> wrote in message
>> news:372B6AE8.C5B43480@home.com...
>> > Interesting. Now I know almost nothing about fractals so I don't know
if
>> this has anything to
>> > do with it but the outline of this "dragon curve" looks a bit like the
>> outline of a julia
>> > fractal. I've posted a julia fractal from Fractint.
>> >
>> > Alex Vandiver wrote:
>> >
>> > > Here's the promised 2d image.  It uses the same function, but only
>takes
>> a crossection.  If
>> > > you stretch your imagination, it *might* look like a dragon..
>> > > -Alex
>> > >
>> >
>>   -----------------------------------------------------------------------
-
>> > >  [Image]
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


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From: Spider
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 2 May 1999 18:48:10
Message: <372CB72B.896A8E7C@bahnhof.se>
hmm.. no, I can't really see a dragon in here... perhaps there is one, perhaps
not.. not in my eyes at least.


Alex Vandiver wrote:
> 
> Here's the promised 2d image.  It uses the same function, but only takes a
crossection.  If
> you stretch your imagination, it *might* look like a dragon..
> -Alex
> 
>   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  [Image]

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		Everything under the gun
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From: Jerry Anning
Subject: Re: Looks like julia (82k)
Date: 2 May 1999 22:30:15
Message: <372cfbf8.31523386@news.povray.org>
On Sun, 2 May 1999 17:13:35 -0400, "Ian Burgmyer"
<the### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:

>I found an old copy on a shareware CD. . .YES YES YES!  I'm a Fractint
>addict!

>P.S. Are there any recent versions of it?  If there is, where can I get it?

Try Spanky's page, the "www home of Fractint".
http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/fractint.html

Jerry Anning
clem "at" dhol "dot" com


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From: Ian Burgmyer
Subject: Re: Looks like julia (82k)
Date: 4 May 1999 18:17:43
Message: <372f63f7.0@news.povray.org>
Thanks a bunch! :)

-Ian

Jerry Anning <nos### [at] despamcom> wrote in message
news:372cfbf8.31523386@news.povray.org...
> On Sun, 2 May 1999 17:13:35 -0400, "Ian Burgmyer"
> <the### [at] hotmailcom> wrote:
>
> >I found an old copy on a shareware CD. . .YES YES YES!  I'm a Fractint
> >addict!
>
> >P.S. Are there any recent versions of it?  If there is, where can I get
it?
>
> Try Spanky's page, the "www home of Fractint".
> http://spanky.triumf.ca/www/fractint/fractint.html
>
> Jerry Anning
> clem "at" dhol "dot" com


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From: Thomas Willhalm
Subject: Re: Fractal Ooze
Date: 5 May 1999 14:17:51
Message: <qqmk8un1lmp.fsf@goldach.fmi.uni-konstanz.de>
Steve <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> writes:

> Thomas
> 
> Are you sure about this?  Administrators can delete messages, but
> I would think that if I post a message here and go away, turn off
> and come back tomorrow, I might not be able to remove even my own
> messages.  I'm on DHCP via my ISP, and tomorrow would probably
> have a different unique identifier.

I'm almost sure. I have once accidentally made a massive crosspost.
Someone else was so kind to cancel it, because I didn't know how 
to do this at that time. It basically results in faking the origin
and poster of the cancel request.

Thomas

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