How do you like the new ocean? is it better or worse?
THe newer one is on the top and the older one (the one you can find a url
download site for the animation in a group below.
Anyway, the lighter one is new, darker one is my older one......which one is
more realistc? If you dont liek the new one ill go back to the old and try
to m,ake it look better...

thanks for your opinion!

Nicholas DePetrillo
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Attachments:
Download 'newpococean.jpg' (186 KB) Download 'POV_OCEAN.jpg' (54 KB)

Preview of image 'newpococean.jpg'

Preview of image 'POV_OCEAN.jpg'

Ok, I haven't even downloaded the whole package yet, but I'm already
complaining..

there is no need to add the old image again and again, i think I have three
copies of it here on my hdd now(I have a 15 day expire time for the files, keep
headers eternally).

You don't need to do it, just mention the old, post subject and date should be
enough, and then send it..

I'm downloading theese to at a speed of approx 100 bytes/second. 

Please, don't spam like this.



Nicholas DePetrillo wrote:
> 
> How do you like the new ocean? is it better or worse?
> THe newer one is on the top and the older one (the one you can find a url
> download site for the animation in a group below.
> Anyway, the lighter one is new, darker one is my older one......which one is
> more realistc? If you dont liek the new one ill go back to the old and try
> to m,ake it look better...
> 
> thanks for your opinion!
> 
> Nicholas DePetrillo
> n1h### [at] homecom
> 
>  [Image]
> 
>  [Image]


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To be honest, I liked the old one better. this one loooks to much "summer-sea"
for me, and is too clear blue.

take the original, keep the colour, add a dark, clouded sky, and add a specular
reflection. that should be a start..


Nicholas DePetrillo wrote:
> 
> How do you like the new ocean? is it better or worse?
> THe newer one is on the top and the older one (the one you can find a url
> download site for the animation in a group below.
> Anyway, the lighter one is new, darker one is my older one......which one is
> more realistc? If you dont liek the new one ill go back to the old and try
> to m,ake it look better...
> 
> thanks for your opinion!
> 
> Nicholas DePetrillo
> n1h### [at] homecom
> 
>  [Image]
> 
>  [Image]

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//Spider
        [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
                "Marian"
        By: "Sisters Of Mercy"

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Glad to see I'm not alone in the d/l rate, well, actually I'm not happy
at all as to this fact.


Spider wrote:
> 
> I'm downloading theese to at a speed of approx 100 bytes/second.

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Yuck on the "new and improved". I for one was content enough with the
first ;)
Like Spider says though it appears to be beneath a sky of changing
weather at least to me too, I like the clouds and sky okay in the new
image. That would go better with the original water anyway. The
"specular" reflection referred to (unless wires are crossed about this)
would be like 'specular 0.3 roughness .02' I would say. Or 'phong 0.3
phong_size 150' maybe. All depends on the users wish for a more correct
look as they see fit.
The reflection itself would probably benifit greatly with the WyzPOV
patch or Super Patch which will do angle dependant reflection, instead
of relying upon a uniformity.


Spider wrote:
> 
> To be honest, I liked the old one better. this one loooks to much "summer-sea"
> for me, and is too clear blue.
> 
> take the original, keep the colour, add a dark, clouded sky, and add a specular
> reflection. that should be a start..
> 
> Nicholas DePetrillo wrote:
> >
> > How do you like the new ocean? is it better or worse?
> > THe newer one is on the top and the older one (the one you can find a url
> > download site for the animation in a group below.
> > Anyway, the lighter one is new, darker one is my older one......which one is
> > more realistc? If you dont liek the new one ill go back to the old and try
> > to m,ake it look better...
> >
> > thanks for your opinion!
> >
> > Nicholas DePetrillo
> > n1h### [at] homecom
> >
> >  [Image]
> >
> >  [Image]
> 
> --
> //Spider
>         [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
> What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
>                 "Marian"
>         By: "Sisters Of Mercy"

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hey uhhh...sorry about posting so much data........See i didnt think anyone
would even to bother to complain because its such a useless
complaint...anyway i will stop doing that. I for one have a cable modem and
sometimes i forget i had a 56 k ya know...


Sorry again!

Nick D
n1h### [at] homecom





Nicholas DePetrillo <N1h### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:371ba75a.0@news.povray.org...
> How do you like the new ocean? is it better or worse?
> THe newer one is on the top and the older one (the one you can find a url
> download site for the animation in a group below.
> Anyway, the lighter one is new, darker one is my older one......which one
is
> more realistc? If you dont liek the new one ill go back to the old and try
> to m,ake it look better...
>
> thanks for your opinion!
>
> Nicholas DePetrillo
> n1h### [at] homecom
>
>
>
>

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Nicholas DePetrillo wrote in message <371bb9dc.0@news.povray.org>...
>hey uhhh...sorry about posting so much data........See i didnt think anyone
>would even to bother to complain because its such a useless
>complaint...anyway i will stop doing that. I for one have a cable modem and
>sometimes i forget i had a 56 k ya know...
>
>
>Sorry again!
>


I for one only have a 33.6K modem, and half of my ISP's modems are 14.4K
(and the rest are constantly occupied by sb. else)
I really should change providers, but with this one I only have to pay the
price of a local call, nothing more. So I'm cheap. Sue me.

Margus

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I think that the old ocean was much better.  It had a very
realistic
look, aside from the sky.  I agree that the ocean implies a
dark
sky, with clouds.  I showed someone the image and they
thought
it was a picture, at first (the sky has a computer like
gradient).

The new image has a 'ray-traced' look with a 'plastic'
looking
ocean.  The clouds are like pieces of ripped paper.

Hope my thoughts are some help,
                                             David Young

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<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
you do know how to render at a smaller size right? ;) and now it's
<br>TOO glossy and clear it just needed a little bit of both not much!
<p>Nicholas DePetrillo wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>How do you like the new ocean? is it better or worse?
<br>THe newer one is on the top and the older one (the one you can find
a url
<br>download site for the animation in a group below.
<br>Anyway, the lighter one is new, darker one is my older one......which
one is
<br>more realistc? If you dont liek the new one ill go back to the old
and try
<br>to m,ake it look better...
<p>thanks for your opinion!
<p>Nicholas DePetrillo
<br>n1h### [at] homecom
<p> [Image]
<p> [Image]</blockquote>
</html>

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I have to agree.  Think you can make them a little smaller for those of
us who do not have a T5 internet connection?

Spider wrote:
> 
> Ok, I haven't even downloaded the whole package yet, but I'm already
> complaining..
> 
> there is no need to add the old image again and again, i think I have three
> copies of it here on my hdd now(I have a 15 day expire time for the files, keep
> headers eternally).
> 
> You don't need to do it, just mention the old, post subject and date should be
> enough, and then send it..
> 
> I'm downloading theese to at a speed of approx 100 bytes/second.
> 
> Please, don't spam like this.
> 
> Nicholas DePetrillo wrote:
> >
> > How do you like the new ocean? is it better or worse?
> > THe newer one is on the top and the older one (the one you can find a url
> > download site for the animation in a group below.
> > Anyway, the lighter one is new, darker one is my older one......which one is
> > more realistc? If you dont liek the new one ill go back to the old and try
> > to m,ake it look better...
> >
> > thanks for your opinion!
> >
> > Nicholas DePetrillo
> > n1h### [at] homecom
> >
> >  [Image]
> >
> >  [Image]
> 
> --
> //Spider
>         [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
> What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
>                 "Marian"
>         By: "Sisters Of Mercy"

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Margus Ramst wrote:
> 
> >...sorry about posting so much data........See i didnt think anyone
> >would even to bother to complain because its such a useless
> >complaint...anyway i will stop doing that. I for one have a cable modem and
> >sometimes i forget i had a 56 k ya know...
> >
> 
> I for one only have a 33.6K modem, and half of my ISP's modems are 14.4K
> (and the rest are constantly occupied by sb. else)
> I really should change providers, but with this one I only have to pay the
> price of a local call, nothing more. So I'm cheap. Sue me.
> 
> Margus

I've got a bad connection regardless of my upgraded V.90 modem. I use
AOL and I *should* be getting a 56K/V90 hookup at their end. Nope, 26.4K
the sign-on speed shows. I get up to 28K+ sometimes at a good web site
apparently but these newsgroups slow me down to those 0.1K numbers too.
The connection rate will get to 10's of K when good.
OT posting here but maybe someone should start a subject about the
connection (u/l and d/l) speeds at p.g. so as to figure possible
improvements, or at least to gripe or boast about our modems ;)

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I don't have much to add to what others have said, but I too think the old one
looks much better! Although the new one does have the highlights the other one
needs. Other than that though the old one is better. I also saw you ocean movie,
and I have to say that it is amazingly good! Again though the movie ocean needs
the same improvements the still ocean does.

Oh and about the download speeds. I like you have a cable modem so for me it
isn't and issue, but I can see why others are complaining, instead of posting
the old image again just put a link or put a note pointing to the previously
posted image.

Nicholas DePetrillo wrote:

> How do you like the new ocean? is it better or worse?
> THe newer one is on the top and the older one (the one you can find a url
> download site for the animation in a group below.
> Anyway, the lighter one is new, darker one is my older one......which one is
> more realistc? If you dont liek the new one ill go back to the old and try
> to m,ake it look better...
>
> thanks for your opinion!
>
> Nicholas DePetrillo
> n1h### [at] homecom
>
>  [Image]
>
>  [Image]

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I thought the original was just about perfect, and I don't like the
new one at all (sorry :-)  Any plans to release the source to the
original?  I would love to render enough full-screen frames to be
a screensaver (I know its been done, but I really like the ocean).

Nicholas DePetrillo <N1h### [at] hotmailcom> wrote in message
news:371ba75a.0@news.povray.org...
> How do you like the new ocean? is it better or worse?
> THe newer one is on the top and the older one (the one you can find a url
> download site for the animation in a group below.
> Anyway, the lighter one is new, darker one is my older one......which one
is
> more realistc? If you dont liek the new one ill go back to the old and try
> to m,ake it look better...
>
> thanks for your opinion!
>
> Nicholas DePetrillo
> n1h### [at] homecom
>
>
>
>

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Bob Hughes wrote:
> I get up to 28K+ sometimes at a good web site
> apparently but these newsgroups slow me down to those 0.1K numbers too.
> The connection rate will get to 10's of K when good.
> OT posting here but maybe someone should start a subject about the
> connection (u/l and d/l) speeds at p.g. so as to figure possible
> improvements, or at least to gripe or boast about our modems ;)

 I have been experiencing the same behaviour for some time now and
have given no small amount of thought on the subject. I know that I
am getting max connection speeds for my pitifull 33.6 modem and like
you say when this server is working right speed is not an issue.
Instead what I think is the problem is not the server itself but it's
connection to the internet.
 I suggest the reason for the stalled/slow access on this server is
due to the system it is connected to. It is probably a high volume
nerwork with possibly older equipment and the Pov internal server
gets shoved aside during high volume periods. I doubt that there is
much that Pov admin can do about it except move to a community with
faster and more capable equipment. That would probably be cost
prohibitive as I seem to recall hearing that this site is coming to
us as a result of donated space and connection access.

-- 
Ken Tyler

mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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I'd have to say that I think the first was indeed the most realistic
ocean rendering that I've seen with POV to date.  I've lived on Lake
Huron most of my life, and this image, and the animation even more so,
almost exactly resemble the lake on a calm day.  As far as the specular
reflection goes, I wouldn't worry about it so much.  This image could
very well be a pre-dawn setting and therefor (in theory and experience)
only lit diffusely.  Excellent job.  I, also, would be very interested
in the techique, if not the code, that you used to model it.

 - Cyrrin

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Hey i am surprised about that because my connections to this Newsserver
is relatively fast ( about 3 to 5 k Bytes per second with ISDN ) and that
from germany. Or can it be that the server resides around europe ?

greetings Lars Wolter


Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
371C95AD.CAA24E4D@pacbell.net...
> Bob Hughes wrote:
> > I get up to 28K+ sometimes at a good web site
> > apparently but these newsgroups slow me down to those 0.1K numbers too.
> > The connection rate will get to 10's of K when good.
> > OT posting here but maybe someone should start a subject about the
> > connection (u/l and d/l) speeds at p.g. so as to figure possible
> > improvements, or at least to gripe or boast about our modems ;)
>
>  I have been experiencing the same behaviour for some time now and
> have given no small amount of thought on the subject. I know that I
> am getting max connection speeds for my pitifull 33.6 modem and like
> you say when this server is working right speed is not an issue.
> Instead what I think is the problem is not the server itself but it's
> connection to the internet.
>  I suggest the reason for the stalled/slow access on this server is
> due to the system it is connected to. It is probably a high volume
> nerwork with possibly older equipment and the Pov internal server
> gets shoved aside during high volume periods. I doubt that there is
> much that Pov admin can do about it except move to a community with
> faster and more capable equipment. That would probably be cost
> prohibitive as I seem to recall hearing that this site is coming to
> us as a result of donated space and connection access.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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On a good when downloading news from this server I get 1Kps, but
the norm is somewhere between 0.1 - 0.5 Kps.

Steve

Lars W. wrote:
> 
> Hey i am surprised about that because my connections to this Newsserver
> is relatively fast ( about 3 to 5 k Bytes per second with ISDN ) and that
> from germany. Or can it be that the server resides around europe ?
> 
> greetings Lars Wolter
> 
> Ken <tyl### [at] pacbellnet> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
> 371C95AD.CAA24E4D@pacbell.net...
> > Bob Hughes wrote:
> > > I get up to 28K sometimes at a good web site
> > > apparently but these newsgroups slow me down to those 0.1K numbers too.
> > > The connection rate will get to 10's of K when good.
> > > OT posting here but maybe someone should start a subject about the
> > > connection (u/l and d/l) speeds at p.g. so as to figure possible
> > > improvements, or at least to gripe or boast about our modems ;)
> >
> >  I have been experiencing the same behaviour for some time now and
> > have given no small amount of thought on the subject. I know that I
> > am getting max connection speeds for my pitifull 33.6 modem and like
> > you say when this server is working right speed is not an issue.
> > Instead what I think is the problem is not the server itself but it's
> > connection to the internet.
> >  I suggest the reason for the stalled/slow access on this server is
> > due to the system it is connected to. It is probably a high volume
> > nerwork with possibly older equipment and the Pov internal server
> > gets shoved aside during high volume periods. I doubt that there is
> > much that Pov admin can do about it except move to a community with
> > faster and more capable equipment. That would probably be cost
> > prohibitive as I seem to recall hearing that this site is coming to
> > us as a result of donated space and connection access.
> >
> > --
> > Ken Tyler
> >
> > mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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Steve wrote:
> 
> On a good when downloading news from this server I get 1Kps, but
> the norm is somewhere between 0.1 - 0.5 Kps.
> 
> Steve

 For me the images are a bit slower but if I am downloading a
.zip file I see my downloads averaging about 2.8 - 3.2 kps.
This is of course when the the system isn't in one of it's
sluggish periods. A vague reference from the past leads me
to believe that this server is physicaly located somewere on
the west coast of North America and somewhat near where I
live give or take a few hundred miles. I may also be confusing
it with the i.r.t.c. server so this may be totaly wrong info.
Treat it as hear say and not as fact.

-- 
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mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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I must say that the older ocean is the most realistic I've seen! Keep it,and
keep the new sky...I'd like to see that.
-Spydie

Nicholas DePetrillo wrote:

> How do you like the new ocean? is it better or worse?
> THe newer one is on the top and the older one (the one you can find a url
> download site for the animation in a group below.
> Anyway, the lighter one is new, darker one is my older one......which one is
> more realistc? If you dont liek the new one ill go back to the old and try
> to m,ake it look better...
>
> thanks for your opinion!
>
> Nicholas DePetrillo
> n1h### [at] homecom
>
>  [Image]
>
>  [Image]

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