Hi, My name is nicholas depetrillo, I made the first Pov-RAY ocean image you
see below.... (the bigger one)
Then below that is another ocean scene made in pocray (the smaller one)
which was sent to me after in my original message i requested anyone who can
make a better ocean to send me it. Well the people in this newsgroup are
fair so, tell me which one do you like

Mine (the bigger one)
Or Thomas Willhalm's (the smaller one)

Which looks more realistic ( which one looks like and ocean?)

Post what you think here in this thread. Thank you.

Nicholas DePetrillo
N1h### [at] homecom

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Yours looks a bit more realistic, but the other one has a "wetter"
feeling.

Nicholas DePetrillo wrote:
> 
> Hi, My name is nicholas depetrillo, I made the first Pov-RAY ocean image you
> see below.... (the bigger one)
> Then below that is another ocean scene made in pocray (the smaller one)
> which was sent to me after in my original message i requested anyone who can
> make a better ocean to send me it. Well the people in this newsgroup are
> fair so, tell me which one do you like
> 
> Mine (the bigger one)
> Or Thomas Willhalm's (the smaller one)
> 
> Which looks more realistic ( which one looks like and ocean?)
> 
> Post what you think here in this thread. Thank you.
> 
> Nicholas DePetrillo
> N1h### [at] homecom
> 
>  [Image]
> 
>  [Image]

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yup yup yup...it does.....I'll have to fix that, but how do i maske an image
"more wetter"?

Keep those comments coming!
Nick D
N1h### [at] homecom

And if you have a very nice looking ocean made in pov-ray send it to me or
post it here and lets see who can make the best looking ocean and share
techniques and procedures on how to make such awsome images!

Send to me

N1h### [at] homecom


Lewis <ble### [at] netvisionnetil> wrote in message
news:371B2EF9.ADA17CD9@netvision.net.il...
> Yours looks a bit more realistic, but the other one has a "wetter"
> feeling.
>
> Nicholas DePetrillo wrote:
> >
> > Hi, My name is nicholas depetrillo, I made the first Pov-RAY ocean image
you
> > see below.... (the bigger one)
> > Then below that is another ocean scene made in pocray (the smaller one)
> > which was sent to me after in my original message i requested anyone who
can
> > make a better ocean to send me it. Well the people in this newsgroup are
> > fair so, tell me which one do you like
> >
> > Mine (the bigger one)
> > Or Thomas Willhalm's (the smaller one)
> >
> > Which looks more realistic ( which one looks like and ocean?)
> >
> > Post what you think here in this thread. Thank you.
> >
> > Nicholas DePetrillo
> > N1h### [at] homecom
> >
> >  [Image]
> >
> >  [Image]

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Govert(????) made a very good ocean and posted here.
I don't remember the name, but you can find it on :
http://victorian.fortunecity.com/dada/507/

take a peek. I thinks it's good..
I think bankspad did one some time ago..

There is another great in "jumping the moon".
I don't know who did it..
Mick Hazelgrove has another good one, from this Tuesday, called "Waves-
progress   report"

To get a  wetter feeling, try some more reflection, it should help.

And, you really must add a sky if it shall look good, You need something
to be reflected(Clouds) if there should be realism..

look in skies.inc, try out skysphere number 2, I think thats one that
looks ratehr good, like a clouded, dark day... Should fit the ocean.
//Spider
---News readers, nowehre to be found...


Nicholas DePetrillo wrote:
> 
> yup yup yup...it does.....I'll have to fix that, but how do i maske an image
> "more wetter"?
> 
> Keep those comments coming!
> Nick D
> N1h### [at] homecom
> 
> And if you have a very nice looking ocean made in pov-ray send it to me or
> post it here and lets see who can make the best looking ocean and share
> techniques and procedures on how to make such awsome images!
> 
> Send to me
> 
> N1h### [at] homecom
> 
> Lewis <ble### [at] netvisionnetil> wrote in message
> news:371B2EF9.ADA17CD9@netvision.net.il...
> > Yours looks a bit more realistic, but the other one has a "wetter"
> > feeling.
> >
> > Nicholas DePetrillo wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, My name is nicholas depetrillo, I made the first Pov-RAY ocean image
> you
> > > see below.... (the bigger one)
> > > Then below that is another ocean scene made in pocray (the smaller one)
> > > which was sent to me after in my original message i requested anyone who
> can
> > > make a better ocean to send me it. Well the people in this newsgroup are
> > > fair so, tell me which one do you like
> > >
> > > Mine (the bigger one)
> > > Or Thomas Willhalm's (the smaller one)
> > >
> > > Which looks more realistic ( which one looks like and ocean?)
> > >
> > > Post what you think here in this thread. Thank you.
> > >
> > > Nicholas DePetrillo
> > > N1h### [at] homecom
> > >
> > >  [Image]
> > >
> > >  [Image]

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Hi,

both images are really good. But the only mistake you and Thomas have done is
the fact, that it looks like the earth is a disk. Have you ever seen the horizon
at sea? There you can discover, that the horizon looks more like a top of a big
big big sphere than a flat disk. The earth is a sphere (I think Gallilei
mentioned this a long time before ;-). Sorry, but my English isn´t good enough
to explain it better. Hope you´ve got it...

So long,

Jan

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Hello. ;-]
You both have done quite remrkable work with your ocean projects. The strengths
that each image has is polar to eachother. i.e. what makes either image
impressive is missing from the other.
Your image is a slight bit off color with a bit too much surface rippling.
However it expresses depth and expanse which is a significant factor in
emmulating the sea. Your sea seems a bit dry and the absence of the horizon
curve are the only real distraction from a perfect ocean.
Both images are lacking "layers" in the water. I've not tried it but I'm
wondering if well bounded media could be used to display the solidity of the
ocean's interior. You know how the water is very clear at the surface and light
penetrates, but as you descend past the plankton layer, minerals, dirt and etc.
become more dense absorbing and dispersing light (perhaps emitting, scattering
and absorbing media could be used for this).
I d/l your .mov last night - wow! very nice indeed. After viewing it several
times, I realized there was one thing I was missing from it - the gentle lolling
up&down of being on a boat and staring off into the horizon. Your animation
could really benefit if you had your camera mimiking that motion.
Perhaps you and Thomas could pool your resources and cross-develop a still and
animation that could make us all run for our dramamine....and applaud along the
way.
;-]
KB-

Nicholas DePetrillo wrote:

> Hi, My name is nicholas depetrillo, I made the first Pov-RAY ocean image you
> see below.... (the bigger one)
> Then below that is another ocean scene made in pocray (the smaller one)
> which was sent to me after in my original message i requested anyone who can
> make a better ocean to send me it. Well the people in this newsgroup are
> fair so, tell me which one do you like
>
> Mine (the bigger one)
> Or Thomas Willhalm's (the smaller one)
>
> Which looks more realistic ( which one looks like and ocean?)
>
> Post what you think here in this thread. Thank you.
>
> Nicholas DePetrillo
> N1h### [at] homecom
>
>  [Image]
>
>  [Image]

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Add some groundfog to your image, make your ocean wetter (add specular
hightlights and reflection) and add a realistic sky and yours will look
better.  Right now, the ocean in the small image looks more like water than
yours does.

ZK

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Well I like your color, it give a sense of depth, yet the color used
looks like it should be an overcast day.  But there are no cloud in the
sky.  I like them both.  The other one has to many highlights.  It looks
like glass.

Nicholas DePetrillo wrote:
> 
> Hi, My name is nicholas depetrillo, I made the first Pov-RAY ocean image you
> see below.... (the bigger one)
> Then below that is another ocean scene made in pocray (the smaller one)
> which was sent to me after in my original message i requested anyone who can
> make a better ocean to send me it. Well the people in this newsgroup are
> fair so, tell me which one do you like
> 
> Mine (the bigger one)
> Or Thomas Willhalm's (the smaller one)
> 
> Which looks more realistic ( which one looks like and ocean?)
> 
> Post what you think here in this thread. Thank you.
> 
> Nicholas DePetrillo
> N1h### [at] homecom
> 
>  [Image]
> 
>  [Image]

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Request:
Stop CAPSING the subjects, its IRRITATING!

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>Govert(????) made a very good ocean and posted here.
>I don't remember the name, but you can find it on :

It's kind of a pun; he called it C (sea?)

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I know the big image was zee.jpg ....


Phil Clute wrote:
> 
> >Govert(????) made a very good ocean and posted here.
> >I don't remember the name, but you can find it on :
> 
> It's kind of a pun; he called it C (sea?)
> 
> --
> ...coffee?...yes please! extra sugar,extra cream...Thank you.

-- 
//Spider
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<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
Wow I love yours would you send me the source code? and it should be cloudy
and more phong
<p>Nicholas DePetrillo wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Hi, My name is nicholas depetrillo, I made the first
Pov-RAY ocean image you
<br>see below.... (the bigger one)
<br>Then below that is another ocean scene made in pocray (the smaller
one)
<br>which was sent to me after in my original message i requested anyone
who can
<br>make a better ocean to send me it. Well the people in this newsgroup
are
<br>fair so, tell me which one do you like
<p>Mine (the bigger one)
<br>Or Thomas Willhalm's (the smaller one)
<p>Which looks more realistic ( which one looks like and ocean?)
<p>Post what you think here in this thread. Thank you.
<p>Nicholas DePetrillo
<br>N1h### [at] homecom
<p> [Image]
<p> [Image]</blockquote>
</html>

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Hello, I just wanted to say that HTML posts aren't generally a good idea in this
newsgroup(one of the few flame-subjects we have, apart from MAX:-) and I
therefore ask you to send it as plain text.

i know of people who simply ignore all HTML, and those who suffer crashes due to
partially integgrated HTML support. so Please, stop sending HTML.


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Nicholas DePetrillo <N1h### [at] hotmailcom> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
371b28be.0@news.povray.org...
> Hi, My name is nicholas depetrillo, I made the first Pov-RAY ocean image
you
> see below.... (the bigger one)
> Then below that is another ocean scene made in pocray (the smaller one)
> which was sent to me after in my original message i requested anyone who
can
> make a better ocean to send me it. Well the people in this newsgroup are
> fair so, tell me which one do you like
>
> Mine (the bigger one)
> Or Thomas Willhalm's (the smaller one)
>
> Which looks more realistic ( which one looks like and ocean?)
>
> Post what you think here in this thread. Thank you.
>
> Nicholas DePetrillo
> N1h### [at] homecom
>
Wow, your normal pattern is phantastic I´ve spent quite a time on trying to
blend ripples with any other texture pattern but I´m not happy with it at
all! Is your source code a secret? I´d like to see how you did it!
for all Gallileo fans: My ocean is really a sphere with radius ~ earth-size
but you won´t notice it around sea Level (you can proove this by
mathematical calculations if you like)
Matthias

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Matthias wrote:
> 
 for all Gallileo fans: My ocean is really a sphere with radius +AH4-
earth-size
> but you wont notice it around sea Level (you can proove this by
> mathematical calculations if you like)

> Matthias

Excuse me, but how do you know that the earth is round, you've
read all about it in books, and you've been told about it in
Geography, History, Maths, possibly (depending on your age)
University.

Have you ever seen the earth from a great distance,  me thinks
not, we've all been on airoplanes, and seen the horizin, how do
we really know that it isn't flat, but looks curved because we're
so far away from it.  The gouvernment, the Status-Quo want us to
think that the earth is spherical so that they can charge us so
much for "air fairs", imagine if people in the UK knew that
Australia was only fifty milse asay, and that they could get
there on a rowing boat, the gouvernment would lose a lot of money
in taxes.  

So they tell us that if we dig for a thousand years we will reach
china, when it really is just around the corner, have you ever
met a professional pilot, (These people are stoges, and work for
the state, they are all leading us up the garden path), just so
that we will buy expensive items in the airport. 

Think about it.

I don't hate the world, but I don't think much of it either.

Cheers
Steve




> blend ripples with any other texture pattern but Im not happy with it at
> all! Is your source code a secret? Id like to see how you did it!
> for all Gallileo fans: My ocean is really a sphere with radius +AH4- earth-size
> but you wont notice it around sea Level (you can proove this by
> mathematical calculations if you like)
> Matthias
> 
>  [Image]

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me thinks your an idiot~
Steve <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> wrote in message
news:371E4A36.3140D0C1@ndirect.co.uk...
> Matthias wrote:
> >
>  for all Gallileo fans: My ocean is really a sphere with radius ~
> earth-size
> > but you wont notice it around sea Level (you can proove this by
> > mathematical calculations if you like)
>
> > Matthias
>
> Excuse me, but how do you know that the earth is round, you've
> read all about it in books, and you've been told about it in
> Geography, History, Maths, possibly (depending on your age)
> University.
>
> Have you ever seen the earth from a great distance,  me thinks
> not, we've all been on airoplanes, and seen the horizin, how do
> we really know that it isn't flat, but looks curved because we're
> so far away from it.  The gouvernment, the Status-Quo want us to
> think that the earth is spherical so that they can charge us so
> much for "air fairs", imagine if people in the UK knew that
> Australia was only fifty milse asay, and that they could get
> there on a rowing boat, the gouvernment would lose a lot of money
> in taxes.
>
> So they tell us that if we dig for a thousand years we will reach
> china, when it really is just around the corner, have you ever
> met a professional pilot, (These people are stoges, and work for
> the state, they are all leading us up the garden path), just so
> that we will buy expensive items in the airport.
>
> Think about it.
>
> I don't hate the world, but I don't think much of it either.
>
> Cheers
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> > blend ripples with any other texture pattern but Im not happy with it at
> > all! Is your source code a secret? Id like to see how you did it!
> > for all Gallileo fans: My ocean is really a sphere with radius ~
earth-size
> > but you wont notice it around sea Level (you can proove this by
> > mathematical calculations if you like)
> > Matthias
> >
> >  [Image]
>
>

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*lol*


Steve wrote:
> 
> Matthias wrote:
> >
>  for all Gallileo fans: My ocean is really a sphere with radius +AH4-
> earth-size
> > but you wont notice it around sea Level (you can proove this by
> > mathematical calculations if you like)
> 
> > Matthias
> 
> Excuse me, but how do you know that the earth is round, you've
> read all about it in books, and you've been told about it in
> Geography, History, Maths, possibly (depending on your age)
> University.
> 
> Have you ever seen the earth from a great distance,  me thinks
> not, we've all been on airoplanes, and seen the horizin, how do
> we really know that it isn't flat, but looks curved because we're
> so far away from it.  The gouvernment, the Status-Quo want us to
> think that the earth is spherical so that they can charge us so
> much for "air fairs", imagine if people in the UK knew that
> Australia was only fifty milse asay, and that they could get
> there on a rowing boat, the gouvernment would lose a lot of money
> in taxes.
> 
> So they tell us that if we dig for a thousand years we will reach
> china, when it really is just around the corner, have you ever
> met a professional pilot, (These people are stoges, and work for
> the state, they are all leading us up the garden path), just so
> that we will buy expensive items in the airport.
> 
> Think about it.
> 
> I don't hate the world, but I don't think much of it either.
> 
> Cheers
> Steve
> 
> > blend ripples with any other texture pattern but Im not happy with it at
> > all! Is your source code a secret? Id like to see how you did it!
> > for all Gallileo fans: My ocean is really a sphere with radius +AH4- earth-size
> > but you wont notice it around sea Level (you can proove this by
> > mathematical calculations if you like)
> > Matthias
> >
> >  [Image]

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thanks man!









Spider <spi### [at] bahnhofse> wrote in message
news:371E8393.1C2018AC@bahnhof.se...
> *lol*
>
>
> Steve wrote:
> >
> > Matthias wrote:
> > >
> >  for all Gallileo fans: My ocean is really a sphere with radius +AH4-
> > earth-size
> > > but you wont notice it around sea Level (you can proove this by
> > > mathematical calculations if you like)
> >
> > > Matthias
> >
> > Excuse me, but how do you know that the earth is round, you've
> > read all about it in books, and you've been told about it in
> > Geography, History, Maths, possibly (depending on your age)
> > University.
> >
> > Have you ever seen the earth from a great distance,  me thinks
> > not, we've all been on airoplanes, and seen the horizin, how do
> > we really know that it isn't flat, but looks curved because we're
> > so far away from it.  The gouvernment, the Status-Quo want us to
> > think that the earth is spherical so that they can charge us so
> > much for "air fairs", imagine if people in the UK knew that
> > Australia was only fifty milse asay, and that they could get
> > there on a rowing boat, the gouvernment would lose a lot of money
> > in taxes.
> >
> > So they tell us that if we dig for a thousand years we will reach
> > china, when it really is just around the corner, have you ever
> > met a professional pilot, (These people are stoges, and work for
> > the state, they are all leading us up the garden path), just so
> > that we will buy expensive items in the airport.
> >
> > Think about it.
> >
> > I don't hate the world, but I don't think much of it either.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Steve
> >
> > > blend ripples with any other texture pattern but Im not happy with it
at
> > > all! Is your source code a secret? Id like to see how you did it!
> > > for all Gallileo fans: My ocean is really a sphere with radius +AH4-
earth-size
> > > but you wont notice it around sea Level (you can proove this by
> > > mathematical calculations if you like)
> > > Matthias
> > >
> > >  [Image]
>
> --
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>         [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
> What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
>                 "Marian"
>         By: "Sisters Of Mercy"

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So when can we expect to see your code - or - tutorial on how ot make an
animated ocean?

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So, was Gallileo really imprisoned to be kept quiet because the Church was putting
their hope in DaVinci developing controlled manned-flight - enabling them to get the
initial stakes in commercial aeronautics? The leaning tower of Pizza - was that
really an airtraffic control tower? Is it leaning because it was smacked by a runaway
VII-IV-VII - showing that the rumor of ineptness for airtraffic controllers began
long long ago? (hee hee hee)

KB-
just havin' fun with ya ;-]

Steve wrote:

> Matthias wrote:
> >
>  for all Gallileo fans: My ocean is really a sphere with radius +AH4-
> earth-size
> > but you wont notice it around sea Level (you can proove this by
> > mathematical calculations if you like)
>
> > Matthias
>
> Excuse me, but how do you know that the earth is round, you've
> read all about it in books, and you've been told about it in
> Geography, History, Maths, possibly (depending on your age)
> University.
>
> Have you ever seen the earth from a great distance,  me thinks
> not, we've all been on airoplanes, and seen the horizin, how do
> we really know that it isn't flat, but looks curved because we're
> so far away from it.  The gouvernment, the Status-Quo want us to
> think that the earth is spherical so that they can charge us so
> much for "air fairs", imagine if people in the UK knew that
> Australia was only fifty milse asay, and that they could get
> there on a rowing boat, the gouvernment would lose a lot of money
> in taxes.
>
> So they tell us that if we dig for a thousand years we will reach
> china, when it really is just around the corner, have you ever
> met a professional pilot, (These people are stoges, and work for
> the state, they are all leading us up the garden path), just so
> that we will buy expensive items in the airport.
>
> Think about it.
>
> I don't hate the world, but I don't think much of it either.
>
> Cheers
> Steve
>
> > blend ripples with any other texture pattern but Im not happy with it at
> > all! Is your source code a secret? Id like to see how you did it!
> > for all Gallileo fans: My ocean is really a sphere with radius +AH4- earth-size
> > but you wont notice it around sea Level (you can proove this by
> > mathematical calculations if you like)
> > Matthias
> >
> >  [Image]

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huuh I think this is getting a little far from the original topic. Gallileo
seems to be a pretty explosive issue

I´m not sure if you knew but the town´s Name is Pisa (with a smooth "s")
pronounced "Peesa"
If this was part of your Gag I´m sorry. Otherwise a pretty cool thesis.

To Tony :
Never, I´ve given it up

Matthias


bankspad <ban### [at] pacbellnet> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
371F7EA6.E89131DA@pacbell.net...
> So, was Gallileo really imprisoned to be kept quiet because the Church was
putting
> their hope in DaVinci developing controlled manned-flight - enabling them
to get the
> initial stakes in commercial aeronautics? The leaning tower of Pizza - was
that
> really an airtraffic control tower? Is it leaning because it was smacked
by a runaway
> VII-IV-VII - showing that the rumor of ineptness for airtraffic
controllers began
> long long ago? (hee hee hee)
>
> KB-
> just havin' fun with ya ;-]
>
> Steve wrote:
>
> > Matthias wrote:
> > >
> >  for all Gallileo fans: My ocean is really a sphere with radius +AH4-
> > earth-size
> > > but you wont notice it around sea Level (you can proove this by
> > > mathematical calculations if you like)
> >

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Matthias wrote:

> huuh I think this is getting a little far from the original topic. Gallileo
> seems to be a pretty explosive issue
>
> I´m not sure if you knew but the town´s Name is Pisa (with a smooth "s")
> pronounced "Peesa"
> If this was part of your Gag I´m sorry. Otherwise a pretty cool thesis.

;-]
Yeah, I know - it was just all in the flavor of the "gag" I posted.

KB-

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Steve wrote:
> Excuse me, but how do you know that the earth is round, . . .

I've had realtime conversations with people on the other side of the
terminator.

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"Anton Sherwood" <bro### [at] poboxcom> wrote in message
news:3AF453E6.84827860@pobox.com...
> Steve wrote:
> > Excuse me, but how do you know that the earth is round, . . .
>
> I've had realtime conversations with people on the other side of the
> terminator.

    And when they said it was dark you just believed them?

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