I have been working on this image for the past couple of days now. Its
not finished yet, still quite a lot of work to do. But I thought, why
not post it. A few things I should mension. The weird pattern on the red
bezier patch is supposed to make it look rippled but didn't turn out
quite right. The interments were modeled in Rhino then exported to
Moray.

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Thomas Lake wrote:
> 
> I have been working on this image for the past couple of days now. Its
> not finished yet, still quite a lot of work to do. But I thought, why
> not post it. A few things I should mension. The weird pattern on the red
> bezier patch is supposed to make it look rippled but didn't turn out
> quite right. The interments were modeled in Rhino then exported to
> Moray.

  Nice work. The scene is missing one major element though in my opinion.
That would of course be my trumpet (see attached image) which can be
downloaded freely from the Pov objects collection at http://twysted.net
It would make it nearly complete. You could also add in the drum set or
selected parts of the set that is included with the standard distribution
of Pov. I believe you can find it in the advanced objects section of the
scenes directory. A few modifications could be made to customize them to
fit your scene.
 No matter what you choose to do with it I like musical instruments and
are always a welcome diversion from the way to many Sci-fi and space ship
related postings.

-- 
Ken Tyler

mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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Let me say this.. I play the saxophone, and that instrument you have there looks
good, if it is further from the camera... same goes for that horn...
the level of detail is too bad(My opinion)

Sorry, but I had to point it out here.



Thomas Lake wrote:
> 
> I have been working on this image for the past couple of days now. Its
> not finished yet, still quite a lot of work to do. But I thought, why
> not post it. A few things I should mension. The weird pattern on the red
> bezier patch is supposed to make it look rippled but didn't turn out
> quite right. The interments were modeled in Rhino then exported to
> Moray.
> 
>   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  [Image]

-- 
//Spider
        [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
                "Marian"
        By: "Sisters Of Mercy"

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Nice Trumpet! However no hard feelings but I like to build my own models. I
have a thing for using prebuilt ones.

Ken wrote:

> Thomas Lake wrote:
> >
> > I have been working on this image for the past couple of days now. Its
> > not finished yet, still quite a lot of work to do. But I thought, why
> > not post it. A few things I should mension. The weird pattern on the red
> > bezier patch is supposed to make it look rippled but didn't turn out
> > quite right. The interments were modeled in Rhino then exported to
> > Moray.
>
>   Nice work. The scene is missing one major element though in my opinion.
> That would of course be my trumpet (see attached image) which can be
> downloaded freely from the Pov objects collection at http://twysted.net
> It would make it nearly complete. You could also add in the drum set or
> selected parts of the set that is included with the standard distribution
> of Pov. I believe you can find it in the advanced objects section of the
> scenes directory. A few modifications could be made to customize them to
> fit your scene.
>  No matter what you choose to do with it I like musical instruments and
> are always a welcome diversion from the way to many Sci-fi and space ship
> related postings.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
>
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  [Image]

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Spider wrote:

> Let me say this.. I play the saxophone, and that instrument you have there looks
> good, if it is further from the camera... same goes for that horn...
> the level of detail is too bad(My opinion)

What do you mean by this? First I don't play any musical instruments so there are
bound
to be a few mistakes that a person who is aquatinted with the instrument will pick up
but I thought that I modeled quite accurate instruments. Perhaps if you could tell me
exactly what is missing? I'm not finished so I will be adding more things to the Music
Store, more instruments, if this is what you mean.

>
>
> Sorry, but I had to point it out here.
>
> Thomas Lake wrote:
> >
> > I have been working on this image for the past couple of days now. Its
> > not finished yet, still quite a lot of work to do. But I thought, why
> > not post it. A few things I should mension. The weird pattern on the red
> > bezier patch is supposed to make it look rippled but didn't turn out
> > quite right. The interments were modeled in Rhino then exported to
> > Moray.
> >
> >   --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  [Image]
>
> --
> //Spider
>         [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
> What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
>                 "Marian"
>         By: "Sisters Of Mercy"

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Thomas Lake wrote:
> 
> Nice Trumpet!

Thank you !

> However no hard feelings but I like to build my own models. I
> have a thing for using prebuilt ones.

 No hard feelings at all. I understand your position on this and it
mirrors my own to a large degree. It didn't hurt to offer. I take this
philoiphy to the point where I don't like using the many include files
for different functions opting instead to learn how to write and
understand the code myself for those functions. There are a couple I
use like the tree include files, as they are very complicated and math
intensive, but rarely do they get used in their original form. I tweak
them if for no other reason than to see what will happen if I do.

-- 
Ken Tyler

mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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Ken wrote:

> Thomas Lake wrote:
> >
> > Nice Trumpet!
>
> Thank you !
>
> > However no hard feelings but I like to build my own models. I
> > have a thing for using prebuilt ones.
>
>  No hard feelings at all. I understand your position on this and it
> mirrors my own to a large degree. It didn't hurt to offer. I take this
> philoiphy to the point where I don't like using the many include files
> for different functions opting instead to learn how to write and
> understand the code myself for those functions. There are a couple I
> use like the tree include files, as they are very complicated and math
> intensive, but rarely do they get used in their original form. I tweak
> them if for no other reason than to see what will happen if I do.

Ya I fell the same way.

>
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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Hello Thomas,
I like this one, it has a groove to it that can be nothing but artistic. I play the
sax
also and if it is realism and accuracy you're lookin' for then, cool, but you are
missing a lot of detail in the horn - levers, the bell is mis-proportioned, the keys
are
mis-aligned...blah,blah, blah. However, artistically, it is very smooth - I could
honestly see this as a print on a wall in a coffee house back in the days of late
night
jams and eccentric poetry.
Like my music teacher would always seem to say," You're playing it wrong..."
me: "Nope, just how I like it"
Please keep us up to date on the progress.  ;-]

KB-

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Thanks!

Yes I know about the detail level, and I might add more to it later but, again as you
said I
wasn't looking to produce a 100% accurate model, besides I was working from an old
black and
white picture and many of the keys/valves were hidden or hard to see.

bankspad wrote:

> Hello Thomas,
> I like this one, it has a groove to it that can be nothing but artistic. I play the
sax
> also and if it is realism and accuracy you're lookin' for then, cool, but you are
> missing a lot of detail in the horn - levers, the bell is mis-proportioned, the keys
are
> mis-aligned...blah,blah, blah. However, artistically, it is very smooth - I could
> honestly see this as a print on a wall in a coffee house back in the days of late
night
> jams and eccentric poetry.
> Like my music teacher would always seem to say," You're playing it wrong..."
> me: "Nope, just how I like it"
> Please keep us up to date on the progress.  ;-]
>
> KB-

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Ok, I'll pick up the image and commpare to my sax.

First, I don't know what sort of saxophone you are trying to build here, but I
assume it is and alto (compared to the viola and the horn)

1)
at the bottom, it feels very "cruched" or something, not the smoothness (may be
the light/shadows)
2)
There is a *cursing his bad english* "thing" for the thumb that should be
visible.
3)
A cork piece where the *cursing his bad english* (don't know the english name)
mouthpiece(?) is connected to the sax.
4)
Too wide angle at the end.
5)
Pull the end upwards a bit. it goes to about 1/2 the instruments lenghth
6)
Put it closer to the sax as well
7)
No way to control the instrument. Finger placing is where?
8)
I don't have a way to show you the delicate linage of the controlling parts.
sorry.




Thomas Lake wrote:
> 
> Spider wrote:
> 
> > Let me say this.. I play the saxophone, and that instrument you have there looks
> > good, if it is further from the camera... same goes for that horn...
> > the level of detail is too bad(My opinion)
> 
> What do you mean by this? First I don't play any musical instruments so there are
bound
> to be a few mistakes that a person who is aquatinted with the instrument will pick
up
> but I thought that I modeled quite accurate instruments. Perhaps if you could tell
me
> exactly what is missing? I'm not finished so I will be adding more things to the
Music
> Store, more instruments, if this is what you mean.
> 
> >
> >
> > Sorry, but I had to point it out here.
> >
> > Thomas Lake wrote:
> > >
> > > I have been working on this image for the past couple of days now. Its
> > > not finished yet, still quite a lot of work to do. But I thought, why
> > > not post it. A few things I should mension. The weird pattern on the red
> > > bezier patch is supposed to make it look rippled but didn't turn out
> > > quite right. The interments were modeled in Rhino then exported to
> > > Moray.
> > >
> > >  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >  [Image]
> >
> > --
> > //Spider
> >         [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
> > What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
> >                 "Marian"
> >         By: "Sisters Of Mercy"

-- 
//Spider
        [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
                "Marian"
        By: "Sisters Of Mercy"

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I used to play the Clarinet and am English, but don't know the
names of any of the parts that you mentioned either, and the
clarinet has those parts too.

Cheers
Steve

PS: Maybe that cork bit and the bit that rests on your thumb
don't have names.

Spider wrote:
> 
> Ok, I'll pick up the image and commpare to my sax.
> 
> First, I don't know what sort of saxophone you are trying to build here, but I
> assume it is and alto (compared to the viola and the horn)
> 
> 1)
> at the bottom, it feels very "cruched" or something, not the smoothness (may be
> the light/shadows)
> 2)
> There is a *cursing his bad english* "thing" for the thumb that should be
> visible.
> 3)
> A cork piece where the *cursing his bad english* (don't know the english name)
> mouthpiece(?) is connected to the sax.
> 4)
> Too wide angle at the end.
> 5)
> Pull the end upwards a bit. it goes to about 1/2 the instruments lenghth
> 6)
> Put it closer to the sax as well
> 7)
> No way to control the instrument. Finger placing is where?
> 8)
> I don't have a way to show you the delicate linage of the controlling parts.
> sorry.
> 
> Thomas Lake wrote:
> >
> > Spider wrote:
> >
> > > Let me say this.. I play the saxophone, and that instrument you have there looks
> > > good, if it is further from the camera... same goes for that horn...
> > > the level of detail is too bad(My opinion)
> >
> > What do you mean by this? First I don't play any musical instruments so there are
bound
> > to be a few mistakes that a person who is aquatinted with the instrument will pick
up
> > but I thought that I modeled quite accurate instruments. Perhaps if you could tell
me
> > exactly what is missing? I'm not finished so I will be adding more things to the
Music
> > Store, more instruments, if this is what you mean.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry, but I had to point it out here.
> > >
> > > Thomas Lake wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have been working on this image for the past couple of days now. Its
> > > > not finished yet, still quite a lot of work to do. But I thought, why
> > > > not post it. A few things I should mension. The weird pattern on the red
> > > > bezier patch is supposed to make it look rippled but didn't turn out
> > > > quite right. The interments were modeled in Rhino then exported to
> > > > Moray.
> > > >
> > > >  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >  [Image]
> > >
> > > --
> > > //Spider
> > >         [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/+AH4-spider/ ]
> > > What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
> > >                 "Marian"
> > >         By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
> 
> --
> //Spider
>         [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/+AH4-spider/ ]
> What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
>                 "Marian"
>         By: "Sisters Of Mercy"

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Steve wrote:
> 
> I used to play the Clarinet and am English, but don't know the
> names of any of the parts that you mentioned either, and the
> clarinet has those parts too.
> 
> Cheers
> Steve
> 
> PS: Maybe that cork bit and the bit that rests on your thumb
> don't have names.

 I'm not sure what you guy's are refering to in regards to the "thumb"
part but I suspect you are referring to the finger rests (trumpet talk}.
Thumb rest for sax talk ? The cork is simply referred to as a gasket or
mouth piece gasket. Other parts a finger or thumb might come in contact
with are valve levers, valve buttons, and spit valve release levers.
On the end of the sax it is referred to as the bell and not that horn
shaped thingy at the end of that curvy part.

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mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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Yep, the cork is called a "gasket", the buttons where your fingers go are
called "keys", the round things that cover the holes are called "pads", the
part that holds the reed is a mouthpiece, the metal clamp that holds the
reed to the mouthpiece is a "ligature", the "neck" is a seperate piece that
connects the mouthpiece to the "body" and some call the "body" a "torso",
the horn thingy is really the "bell", the thumb thingy is a "thumb rest" and
the whole package is referred to as a "horn".
There you go, a little saxual anatomy    ;-]

Ken wrote:

> Steve wrote:
> >
> > I used to play the Clarinet and am English, but don't know the
> > names of any of the parts that you mentioned either, and the
> > clarinet has those parts too.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Steve
> >
> > PS: Maybe that cork bit and the bit that rests on your thumb
> > don't have names.
>
>  I'm not sure what you guy's are refering to in regards to the "thumb"
> part but I suspect you are referring to the finger rests (trumpet talk}.
> Thumb rest for sax talk ? The cork is simply referred to as a gasket or
> mouth piece gasket. Other parts a finger or thumb might come in contact
> with are valve levers, valve buttons, and spit valve release levers.
> On the end of the sax it is referred to as the bell and not that horn
> shaped thingy at the end of that curvy part.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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Ok, thanx.
I knew all the nnames in swedish, but English... nope.
I think i'll save this for future referrence(in the paper-bin or some other
place where I know where it is ;-)

bankspad wrote:
> 
> Yep, the cork is called a "gasket", the buttons where your fingers go are
> called "keys", the round things that cover the holes are called "pads", the
> part that holds the reed is a mouthpiece, the metal clamp that holds the
> reed to the mouthpiece is a "ligature", the "neck" is a seperate piece that
> connects the mouthpiece to the "body" and some call the "body" a "torso",
> the horn thingy is really the "bell", the thumb thingy is a "thumb rest" and
> the whole package is referred to as a "horn".
> There you go, a little saxual anatomy    ;-]
> 
> Ken wrote:
> 
> > Steve wrote:
> > >
> > > I used to play the Clarinet and am English, but don't know the
> > > names of any of the parts that you mentioned either, and the
> > > clarinet has those parts too.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > PS: Maybe that cork bit and the bit that rests on your thumb
> > > don't have names.
> >
> >  I'm not sure what you guy's are refering to in regards to the "thumb"
> > part but I suspect you are referring to the finger rests (trumpet talk}.
> > Thumb rest for sax talk ? The cork is simply referred to as a gasket or
> > mouth piece gasket. Other parts a finger or thumb might come in contact
> > with are valve levers, valve buttons, and spit valve release levers.
> > On the end of the sax it is referred to as the bell and not that horn
> > shaped thingy at the end of that curvy part.
> >
> > --
> > Ken Tyler
> >
> > mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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//Spider
        [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
                "Marian"
        By: "Sisters Of Mercy"

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Thanks Ken, I'm glad someone is thinking clearly.

Cheers
Steve


>  I'm not sure what you guy's are refering to in regards to the "thumb"
> part but I suspect you are referring to the finger rests (trumpet talk}.
> Thumb rest for sax talk ? The cork is simply referred to as a gasket or
> mouth piece gasket. Other parts a finger or thumb might come in contact
> with are valve levers, valve buttons, and spit valve release levers.
> On the end of the sax it is referred to as the bell and not that horn
> shaped thingy at the end of that curvy part.
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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