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Hi
Could someone let me in on this indent thing?:-)
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Thomas Lake wrote:
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> Hi
>
> Could someone let me in on this indent thing?:-)
That's fairly easy!
Nearly the whole PoV world indents the pov source files to make them
more readible for others (but most of the time for themselves)...
there's one exception:
Don Tyler fights bravely against the evil indenting empire with his
non-indented sources! <g>
His sources show no idention (well sometimes they do if some identing
borg gets it into his fingers).
Search povray.general for indenting!
Marc
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Marc Schimmler wrote in message <370B3454.4CB60CBA@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>...
[snip]
>Don Tyler fights bravely against the evil indenting empire with his
[snip]
"Don" Tyler?
Is there another inside joke I am not getting here, or is it just a typo?
At least I would expect "Uncle Tyler" now ;-)
Johannes.
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Johannes Hubert wrote:
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> Marc Schimmler wrote in message <370B3454.4CB60CBA@ica.uni-stuttgart.de>...
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> [snip]
> >Don Tyler fights bravely against the evil indenting empire with his
> [snip]
>
> "Don" Tyler?
> Is there another inside joke I am not getting here, or is it just a typo?
> At least I would expect "Uncle Tyler" now ;-)
>
> Johannes.
There used to be a spanish knight ... windmills ..... <g>
More a outside joke!
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Hee-hee! Marc is name-dropping the wrong name. Wait 'til Don, er, ah,
Ken see's this! He certainly didn't mean Mike Tyler's father did he? ;)
Johannes Hubert wrote:
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> Marc Schimmler wrote in message
> [snip]
> >Don Tyler fights bravely against the evil indenting empire with his
> [snip]
>
> "Don" Tyler?
> Is there another inside joke I am not getting here, or is it just a typo?
> At least I would expect "Uncle Tyler" now ;-)
>
> Johannes.
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In the latest version of POV they have all the
different types of code in different colours.
Not me I've made them all the same now, so it just
looks like an editing screen in C+-+-, makes you
feel at home.
Steve
Marc Schimmler wrote:
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> Thomas Lake wrote:
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> > Hi
> >
> > Could someone let me in on this indent thing?:-)
>
> That's fairly easy!
>
> Nearly the whole PoV world indents the pov source files to make them
> more readible for others (but most of the time for themselves)...
> there's one exception:
>
> Don Tyler fights bravely against the evil indenting empire with his
> non-indented sources! <g>
> His sources show no idention (well sometimes they do if some identing
> borg gets it into his fingers).
> Search povray.general for indenting!
>
> Marc
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Tune in next week, for the next episode.
Who is Don? Is he realy Uncle Ken? What will Don
Quixote don when he finds out? Does Mike know
he's got an Uncle Don?
Steve
Bob Hughes wrote:
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> Hee-hee! Marc is name-dropping the wrong name. Wait 'til Don, er, ah,
> Ken see's this! He certainly didn't mean Mike Tyler's father did he? ;)
>
> Johannes Hubert wrote:
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> > Marc Schimmler wrote in message
> > [snip]
> > >Don Tyler fights bravely against the evil indenting empire with his
> > [snip]
> >
> > "Don" Tyler?
> > Is there another inside joke I am not getting here, or is it just a typo?
> > At least I would expect "Uncle Tyler" now ;-)
> >
> > Johannes.
>
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Actually, uncle Ken has proved some very creative ways of indenting.. backwards
indenting among others...
hmm, I had a "pascal cleaner" and a "html cleaner" once.. perhaps I should
modify one of them to apply on uncle Ken's sources... or we could patch uncle
Ken's povray editor with it, automaticaaally indent the file when saving...
*grin*
Thomas Lake wrote:
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> Hi
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> Could someone let me in on this indent thing?:-)
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What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
"Marian"
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Spider heeft geschreven in bericht <370B98F0.11E5DC28@bahnhof.se>...
>Actually, uncle Ken has proved some very creative ways of indenting..
backwards
>indenting among others...
>hmm, I had a "pascal cleaner" and a "html cleaner" once.. perhaps I should
>modify one of them to apply on uncle Ken's sources... or we could patch
uncle
>Ken's povray editor with it, automaticaaally indent the file when saving...
>*grin*
>
But there is already an automatic indention system in the POVRay editor. If
'uncle' Ken would use it, he wouldn't have to worry about typing some more
tabs, and his code would be more readable. So Ken: why don't ya?
ZK
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Spider wrote:
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> Actually, uncle Ken has proved some very creative ways of indenting.. backwards
> indenting among others...
> hmm, I had a "pascal cleaner" and a "html cleaner" once.. perhaps I should
> modify one of them to apply on uncle Ken's sources... or we could patch uncle
> Ken's povray editor with it, automaticaaally indent the file when saving...
> *grin*
>
Yeah ... the evil indenting empire! :-)
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Yes Spider why don't we hold a competition for the
name of the virous that indents your pov scripts
(It's not a programming language is it?), when you
save, wether you want it to indent or not.
Personally I'd rather chose to indent or not to
indent, depending on the way I feel. And I don't
mind doing it myself, then I know it's been done
properly, I don't trust computers, they'r less
complicated than an abacus.
Steve
Spider wrote:
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> Actually, uncle Ken has proved some very creative ways of indenting.. backwards
> indenting among others...
> hmm, I had a "pascal cleaner" and a "html cleaner" once.. perhaps I should
> modify one of them to apply on uncle Ken's sources... or we could patch uncle
> Ken's povray editor with it, automaticaaally indent the file when saving...
> *grin*
>
> Thomas Lake wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Could someone let me in on this indent thing?:-)
>
> --
> //Spider
> [ spi### [at] bahnhof se ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
> What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
> "Marian"
> By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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Steve wrote:
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> Yes Spider why don't we hold a competition for the
> name of the virous that indents your pov scripts
malicea ??? or... indenta.. *hehe*
> (It's not a programming language is it?)
No, programming languages are compileable(My Definitoin)
>, when you save, wether you want it to indent or not.
hehe, would be nice ... not..
> Personally I'd rather chose to indent or not to
> indent, depending on the way I feel.
Sae here, but I can hardly stand bad code standards.. I've tried to decode so
many of those programs before, without success.
> And I don't
> mind doing it myself, then I know it's been done
> properly, I don't trust computers, they'r less
> complicated than an abacus.
hehehehe
>
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What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
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Visual C+-+- is coloured :)
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>> Ken's povray editor with it, automaticaaally indent the file when
saving...
>Yeah ... the evil indenting empire! :-)
If you're gonna do that... would that make it "The Empire Stikes Back" ;-)
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I can answer that... but I won't...
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Lance Birch heeft geschreven in bericht <370c283f.0@news.povray.org>...
>I can answer that... but I won't...
>
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I don't get it.
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he he he, never mind... I was just implying that I was going to say
something bad as the explanation...
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Zeger Knaepen wrote:
> But there is already an automatic indention system in the POVRay editor. If
> 'uncle' Ken would use it, he wouldn't have to worry about typing some more
> tabs, and his code would be more readable. So Ken: why don't ya?
>
> ZK
FYI,
I am preparing a formal response to all of the challenges I
have been recieveing lately concerning this issue. As soon
as it is complete I will announce it publicaly and it should clear
up any and all questions people may have about my opinions
concerning how Povray scene file descriptions should be formatted.
I will show how it should be sructured for the greatest ease of
human understanding and readability while keeping file sizes to a
minumum in the process. I will further show some forms of indented
code that are used in fanaticaly applied formats and what you can
do to keep from becoming one of these poor lost soles who believe
everything they are told or is afraid of non confomance and
breaking from the staus quo. I will add other related topics for
everyones education as I think of them and hope to have all of this
done by the end of this year or next at the latest.
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You mean you will finally publish your website ... Sir ?
Marc
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.........................................and hope to have all of this
...................done by the end of this year or next at the latest.
Whee, I can wait, I have patience, I'm a pov-user :-)
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What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
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Spider wrote:
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> Steve wrote:
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> > Yes Spider why don't we hold a competition for the
> > name of the virous that indents your pov scripts
> malicea ??? or... indenta.. *hehe*
Finally we found out the one using MSWord in creating his scenes :-)
<...>
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Gah :-)
I don't even have Woid in my pc. I use WP :-)
Axel Hecht wrote:
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> Spider wrote:
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> > Steve wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes Spider why don't we hold a competition for the
> > > name of the virous that indents your pov scripts
> > malicea ??? or... indenta.. *hehe*
>
> Finally we found out the one using MSWord in creating his scenes :-)
>
> <...>
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I prefer "copy con mydoc.txt"
Steve
Spider wrote:
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> Gah :-)
>
> I don't even have Woid in my pc. I use WP :-)
>
> Axel Hecht wrote:
> >
> > Spider wrote:
> > >
> > > Steve wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes Spider why don't we hold a competition for the
> > > > name of the virous that indents your pov scripts
> > > malicea ??? or... indenta.. *hehe*
> >
> > Finally we found out the one using MSWord in creating his scenes :-)
> >
> > <...>
>
> --
> //Spider
> [ spi### [at] bahnhof se ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/+AH4-spider/ ]
> What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
> "Marian"
> By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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Ken
That last message seemed to have some obscure alignment
settings, that kind of thing wastes space on the server.
Cheers
Steve
Ken wrote:
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> Zeger Knaepen wrote:
>
> > But there is already an automatic indention system in the POVRay editor. If
> > 'uncle' Ken would use it, he wouldn't have to worry about typing some more
> > tabs, and his code would be more readable. So Ken: why don't ya?
> >
> > ZK
>
> FYI,
>
> I am preparing a formal response to all of the challenges I
> have been recieveing lately concerning this issue. As soon
> as it is complete I will announce it publicaly and it should clear
> up any and all questions people may have about my opinions
> concerning how Povray scene file descriptions should be formatted.
>
> I will show how it should be sructured for the greatest ease of
> human understanding and readability while keeping file sizes to a
> minumum in the process. I will further show some forms of indented
> code that are used in fanaticaly applied formats and what you can
> do to keep from becoming one of these poor lost soles who believe
> everything they are told or is afraid of non confomance and
> breaking from the staus quo. I will add other related topics for
> everyones education as I think of them and hope to have all of this
> done by the end of this year or next at the latest.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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hehe, I actually find it lacking some in the layout parts. Can't understand why
I can't get bold text in it..
Actually, I've made transit to linux now, and I've found I miss a few things.
1) Knowledge enough to customize <insert windowmanager here>
2) textpad(http://www.textpad.com). Can't beat it.
3) A good X IRC client(I'm sure they exist)
4) textpad... No, I've taken that.. My Mail files.
5) The speed of my mouse. (unaccelerated but fast... strange I can't find a
setting for it)
well then, so little to make me happy.
Actually, the speed of linux feels great.. I feel I get more from the system now
than from windoze..
Steve wrote:
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> I prefer "copy con mydoc.txt"
>
> Steve
>
> Spider wrote:
> >
> > Gah :-)
> >
> > I don't even have Woid in my pc. I use WP :-)
> >
> > Axel Hecht wrote:
> > >
> > > Spider wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Steve wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes Spider why don't we hold a competition for the
> > > > > name of the virous that indents your pov scripts
> > > > malicea ??? or... indenta.. *hehe*
> > >
> > > Finally we found out the one using MSWord in creating his scenes :-)
> > >
> > > <...>
> >
> > --
> > //Spider
> > [ spi### [at] bahnhof se ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/+AH4-spider/ ]
> > What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
> > "Marian"
> > By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
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Spider wrote:
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> hehe, I actually find it lacking some in the layout parts. Can't understand why
> I can't get bold text in it..
>
> Actually, I've made transit to linux now, and I've found I miss a few things.
>
> 1) Knowledge enough to customize <insert windowmanager here>
For a graphics wizard the choice of windowmanager is crucial. Bad
enough, the really colorful ones are still moving targets. I guess you
should look at
http://www.enlightenment.org for the dark side of life and
http://www.windowmaker.org for a rather fancy default styling
But be assured, as soon as you go this way, you'll loose any connection
to reality (even the virtual one, which would be very bad for us here)
and your PCs performance is about to drop as well. Those fancy things
MUST hog.
> 2) textpad(http://www.textpad.com). Can't beat it.
Unix folks boot Emacs. Those that don't boot emacs, use XEmacs :-) (I
do). SysAdmins use vi. Next to what you say may be nedit. It's the
favorite of my pal here. Should be on most distributions, I guess.
> 3) A good X IRC client(I'm sure they exist)
Well, here we go: good is a very moving target. I saw alot of critics
about the various, none satisfies both users and purists. But there are
at least three major areas:
KDE/QT: has several, no idea; GNOME/GTK: same; NONE: try zircon.
> 4) textpad... No, I've taken that.. My Mail files.
> 5) The speed of my mouse. (unaccelerated but fast... strange I can't find a
> setting for it)
man XF86Config and a lot of luck, I guess.
> well then, so little to make me happy.
> Actually, the speed of linux feels great.. I feel I get more from the system now
> than from windoze..
And some things less (BSOD :-))
<...>
> --
> //Spider
> [ spi### [at] bahnhof se ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
> What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
> "Marian"
> By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
Welcome home
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LOL...
Ken, a question... and it's serious too, I'm not implying ANYTHING by this
at all...
Do you have any body piercings?
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Lance Birch wrote:
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> LOL...
>
> Ken, a question... and it's serious too, I'm not implying ANYTHING by this
> at all...
>
> Do you have any body piercings?
>
> --
> Lance.
None that where intentionaly inflicted upon my self. I have recieved
many punctures and have violated the surfaces of my skin more times
than anyone could possibly remember but no not in the sense that you
are implying.
WHY ?
WHAT if I did ?
WHO is going to care ?
WHAT difference could it make ?
WHEN is all of this going to stop ?
WHAT business is it of yours anyway ?
WHERE you are going with this line of questioning ?
WHAT is it that you people want from me anyway !!! - BLOOD ?
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He's cracked...
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WHY ? Because I'm interested...
WHAT if I did ? Then you would not fall into the group of people that
didn't...
WHO is going to care ? Probably you...
WHAT difference could it make ? Not much really, unless you're allergic to
silver or nickle (in which case you could always switch to Niobium, Titanium
or Platinum)...
WHEN is all of this going to stop ? Probably never...
WHAT business is it of yours anyway ? None what so ever...
WHERE you are going with this line of questioning ? No where in
particular...
WHAT is it that you people want from me anyway !!! - BLOOD ? No, but it
sure would be interesting to see if we could isolate a gene for indenting...
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Axel Hecht wrote:
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> Spider wrote:
> >
> > hehe, I actually find it lacking some in the layout parts. Can't understand why
> > I can't get bold text in it..
> >
> > Actually, I've made transit to linux now, and I've found I miss a few things.
> >
> > 1) Knowledge enough to customize <insert windowmanager here>
here I come, after two 9 hour renders in my linux system... Whee :-)
> For a graphics wizard the choice of windowmanager is crucial. Bad
> enough, the really colorful ones are still moving targets. I guess you
> should look at
> http://www.enlightenment.org for the dark side of life and
> http://www.windowmaker.org for a rather fancy default styling
> But be assured, as soon as you go this way, you'll loose any connection
> to reality (even the virtual one, which would be very bad for us here)
> and your PCs performance is about to drop as well. Those fancy things
> MUST hog.
Well, they DO hog.. (hmm, I had s-povray running at a nice level of -15 at the
same time, did that addanything perhaps?? ahh, it does .-)
But, I think I'm settling in somewhere between KDE(Not my Fav.) and Gnome.
Windowmaker looks good, but takes too much of my valueable desktop-space.
(Yes, I know I can shrink it but it looks *yech*)
> > 2) textpad(http://www.textpad.com). Can't beat it.
> Unix folks boot Emacs. Those that don't boot emacs, use XEmacs :-) (I
> do). SysAdmins use vi. Next to what you say may be nedit. It's the
> favorite of my pal here. Should be on most distributions, I guess.
hehehe, ok. I have nedit, emacs and Xemacs and some others here now. Time to
learn to use them.
> > 3) A good X IRC client(I'm sure they exist)
> Well, here we go: good is a very moving target. I saw alot of critics
> about the various, none satisfies both users and purists.
Agree with you :-)
>But there are
> at least three major areas:
> KDE/QT: has several, no idea;
I have kirc somewhere, haven't tried it.
> GNOME/GTK: same;
xirc, actually very good.
> NONE: try zircon.
SHEESH
it really is bugged. Tried changing the colours? it sets background=text and
friggs around.. I can't stand a client wich seems to be made with Buttons alone.
> > 4) textpad... No, I've taken that.. My Mail files.
> > 5) The speed of my mouse. (unaccelerated but fast... strange I can't find a
> > setting for it)
> man XF86Config and a lot of luck, I guess.
yeah, I guess it is that. then for some howto's for my mouse-wheel :-)
> > well then, so little to make me happy.
> > Actually, the speed of linux feels great.. I feel I get more from the system now
> > than from windoze..
> And some things less (BSOD :-))
hehehe, well, I have that :-) (screensaver in Gnome)
but, there is always thos small annoyances that happen.. core ... core .. core
.. :-)
> Welcome home
Thankyou.
> Axel
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//Spider
[ spi### [at] bahnhof se ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
"Marian"
By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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Lance, friends, NG, Uncle Ken,
I never noticed that about the question mark thing, I should have
known that it was something that the programmers put in to make
Uncle Keneth look like a human with an idiosyncrasy.
I'm sure he's an AI (Artificial Intelegence) construct that
someone has let lose on the net after finishing their final year
project at University. The guy or girl probably approached the
XXX (hoping the curse won't get me) Microsoft and was turned down
because their idea was too good and worked properly and didn't
require service packs, so the individual probably thought, "I
know let's let Uncle Ken free to roam the internet and find his
calling in life".
So now Uncle Ken has a family, he doesn't like indenting (by the
way I stumbled across an old text editor that won't let you
indent), he's almost real. His creator gave him access to some
sophisticated databases such as the "Encyclopedia Britanica",
"National Geographical", and many other reputable publications
(hence the clear headed and accurate posting that we got a day or
so ago about the names of parts of musical instruments).
I like Ken a lot and am glad that he's around, and that we can
all spot the fact that he's a program and not areal person, it
affirms one belief in human nature and means that computers will
never take over the world.
Cheers
Steve
Lance Birch wrote:
>
> WHY ? Because I'm interested...
>
> WHAT if I did ? Then you would not fall into the group of people that
> didn't...
>
> WHO is going to care ? Probably you...
>
> WHAT difference could it make ? Not much really, unless you're allergic to
> silver or nickle (in which case you could always switch to Niobium, Titanium
> or Platinum)...
>
> WHEN is all of this going to stop ? Probably never...
>
> WHAT business is it of yours anyway ? None what so ever...
>
> WHERE you are going with this line of questioning ? No where in
> particular...
>
> WHAT is it that you people want from me anyway !!! - BLOOD ? No, but it
> sure would be interesting to see if we could isolate a gene for indenting...
>
> --
> Lance.
>
> P.S. Why do you always leave a space before you place a question mark?
>
> ---
> For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
> The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
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Steve wrote:
>
> Lance, friends, NG, Uncle Ken,
>
> I never noticed that about the question mark thing, I should have
> known that it was something that the programmers put in to make
> Uncle Keneth look like a human with an idiosyncrasy.
>
> I'm sure he's an AI (Artificial Intelegence) construct that
> someone has let lose on the net after finishing their final year
> project at University. The guy or girl probably approached the
> XXX (hoping the curse won't get me) Microsoft and was turned down
> because their idea was too good and worked properly and didn't
> require service packs, so the individual probably thought, "I
> know let's let Uncle Ken free to roam the internet and find his
> calling in life".
>
> So now Uncle Ken has a family, he doesn't like indenting (by the
> way I stumbled across an old text editor that won't let you
> indent), he's almost real. His creator gave him access to some
> sophisticated databases such as the "Encyclopedia Britanica",
> "National Geographical", and many other reputable publications
> (hence the clear headed and accurate posting that we got a day or
> so ago about the names of parts of musical instruments).
>
> I like Ken a lot and am glad that he's around, and that we can
> all spot the fact that he's a program and not areal person, it
> affirms one belief in human nature and means that computers will
> never take over the world.
>
> Cheers
> Steve
This does not compute. This does not compute. I have as yet insuffecient
data to fomulate a meaningful response. Buzz. Click.
Please have a nice day :)
--
Ken Tyler
mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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LOL, no one gave him a universe of discourse!!!
--
Lance.
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For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
>This does not compute. This does not compute. I have as yet insuffecient
>data to fomulate a meaningful response. Buzz. Click.
>
>Please have a nice day :)
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>WHAT is it that you people want from me anyway !!! - BLOOD ?
That, and your ...soooouuul ! <spooky background music>
--
...coffee?...yes please! extra sugar,extra cream...Thank you.
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he he he, I'll buy it off you for $5 Ken... ;-)
--
Lance.
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For the latest 3D Studio MAX plug-ins, images and much more, go to:
The Zone - http://come.to/the.zone
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> Don Tyler fights bravely against the evil indenting empire with his
> non-indented sources! <g>
I never indent either, and always put an object with all its textures and
such on one line too.
Bad habit, yes, but I'm certainly not going to start now ;-)
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