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Well I don't know how this compares to some of the posts here, I'll let
you decide. Mostly this is to help me learn the finer parts of POVRAY.
Everything is a primitive. I mean no modellers were used. I noticed
that my media is making some black lines though. Do your worst.
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The black line "artifacts" are rather curious, overlapping transparent
container objects usually, though I can't tell what you used here.
Doesn't seem to be that anyway.
I've liked this picture from the beginning anyway. No arealight? Just
seems the shadows would never be sharp considering the light source
would almost certainly be large and possibly diffused by the
semi-transparent cellular structures (oops, that's not obvious here
either, the transparency of such small-scale things).
How's that for "dissecting" your picture yet once again?
portelli wrote:
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> Well I don't know how this compares to some of the posts here, I'll let
> you decide. Mostly this is to help me learn the finer parts of POVRAY.
> Everything is a primitive. I mean no modellers were used. I noticed
> that my media is making some black lines though. Do your worst.
>
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> [Image]
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Wonderful!
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Ok - as to the picture - I like it :) You've done a very plausible
bloodsteam, I can easily pick out all the various cell types, and they're
what I think they'd probably look like if I was a micron in height and still
managed somehow to see in the same light range :>
Your little nano-bot is cute, but not terribly realistic. This might not
matter one whit, and if it doesn't bother you, ignore it :) It doesn't take
away from an otherwise very accurate picture.
To get a feel for what nano-machines 'look' like, I'd suggest you poke
around on the web, especially the 'Foresight Institute'. Then, if you want
to model theoretical designs of actual nano-machines, you'd best get used to
a different type of primitive - blobs :) When your machines are small enough
that a ring of 12 carbon form a bearing, then you can see the atomic 'lumps'
in the structure.
Ok - lecture over :)
A very well done picture over all - the rest is just nit-picking - and only
nit-picking if you're going for realism - if you can claim realism with
machines that havn't been built yet - and not everyone goes for realism in
ray-tracing either.
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At the risk of pushing the envelope...
Ken is proof positive that, one day, engineers will be able to construct
objects from the building blocks of carbon.
[back me up here Ken] heh
GrimDude
vos### [at] arkansasnet
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I think the black is from over lapping container objects. I used a few
of them to try and make the smoke. You can't tell from this angle but
the smoke is flowing away with the blood flow. I tried to make some
turbulence behind the little jets too. No arealight, I never thought
about that. I couldn't decide on how to make it look like a thick
fluid. My attemps at media did not turn out. Thanks though.
Bob Hughes wrote:
>
> The black line "artifacts" are rather curious, overlapping transparent
> container objects usually, though I can't tell what you used here.
> Doesn't seem to be that anyway.
> I've liked this picture from the beginning anyway. No arealight? Just
> seems the shadows would never be sharp considering the light source
> would almost certainly be large and possibly diffused by the
> semi-transparent cellular structures (oops, that's not obvious here
> either, the transparency of such small-scale things).
> How's that for "dissecting" your picture yet once again?
>
> portelli wrote:
> >
> > Well I don't know how this compares to some of the posts here, I'll let
> > you decide. Mostly this is to help me learn the finer parts of POVRAY.
> > Everything is a primitive. I mean no modellers were used. I noticed
> > that my media is making some black lines though. Do your worst.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > [Image]
>
> --
> omniVERSE: beyond the universe
> http://members.aol.com/inversez/homepage.htm
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I was just going to say how real can you get with a machine that was not
even built yet. No I modelled it after an article I read in Discovery
Magazine. Thanks for th input though.
Charles Krause wrote:
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> Ok - as to the picture - I like it :) You've done a very plausible
> bloodsteam, I can easily pick out all the various cell types, and they're
> what I think they'd probably look like if I was a micron in height and still
> managed somehow to see in the same light range :>
>
> Your little nano-bot is cute, but not terribly realistic. This might not
> matter one whit, and if it doesn't bother you, ignore it :) It doesn't take
> away from an otherwise very accurate picture.
>
> To get a feel for what nano-machines 'look' like, I'd suggest you poke
> around on the web, especially the 'Foresight Institute'. Then, if you want
> to model theoretical designs of actual nano-machines, you'd best get used to
> a different type of primitive - blobs :) When your machines are small enough
> that a ring of 12 carbon form a bearing, then you can see the atomic 'lumps'
> in the structure.
>
> Ok - lecture over :)
>
> A very well done picture over all - the rest is just nit-picking - and only
> nit-picking if you're going for realism - if you can claim realism with
> machines that havn't been built yet - and not everyone goes for realism in
> ray-tracing either.
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I remember this :-)
It has improved a lot... hmm, how _did_ they get the coloured cross on that?
It must be rather small... *grin* (pencil and microscope?, nah)
it really looks good from my POV, but then, I don't know how it should look like
in reality(*shudder*)
portelli wrote:
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> Well I don't know how this compares to some of the posts here, I'll let
> you decide. Mostly this is to help me learn the finer parts of POVRAY.
> Everything is a primitive. I mean no modellers were used. I noticed
> that my media is making some black lines though. Do your worst.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> [Image]
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//Spider
[ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
"Marian"
By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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Oh, another note... You a big fan of...whatäs his name... wrote the dam
ned
Cybepunk books that hooked me... Jhonny Mnemonic... idoru... Darn, my mem
ory...
max_memory_level <15 minutes... *gah*
Was it Grisham... noooo.. that was the one with the dinosaurs(and some ot
her
good ones)... darn this, off to quake and gib some monsters in frustratio
n..
waaaiit... gib, gib, gibson... william Gibson, thats it :-)
Well, sorry about my waste of splace,but I'm frustrated and bored.. lost
a lot
of work in a crash.
bye.
portelli wrote:
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> Well I don't know how this compares to some of the posts here,
I'll let
> you decide. Mostly this is to help me learn the finer parts of POVRAY.
> Everything is a primitive. I mean no modellers were used. I noticed
> that my media is making some black lines though. Do your worst.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> [Image]
--
//Spider
[ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
"Marian"
By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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No I read Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, The Dragonlance books, and
Tad Williams. Read Tad Williams, he has a new series out that is
awesome. T can't remember the name but the latest book is call River of
Blue Fire. Otherland thats it. Good stuff. About future internet.
Spider wrote:
>
> Oh, another note... You a big fan of...whatäs his name... wrote the damned
> Cybepunk books that hooked me... Jhonny Mnemonic... idoru... Darn, my memory...
> max_memory_level <15 minutes... *gah*
> Was it Grisham... noooo.. that was the one with the dinosaurs(and some other
> good ones)... darn this, off to quake and gib some monsters in frustration..
> waaaiit... gib, gib, gibson... william Gibson, thats it :-)
>
> Well, sorry about my waste of splace,but I'm frustrated and bored.. lost a lot
> of work in a crash.
>
> bye.
>
> portelli wrote:
> >
> > Well I don't know how this compares to some of the posts here, I'll let
> > you decide. Mostly this is to help me learn the finer parts of POVRAY.
> > Everything is a primitive. I mean no modellers were used. I noticed
> > that my media is making some black lines though. Do your worst.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > [Image]
>
> --
> //Spider
> [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
> What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
> "Marian"
> By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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Spider wrote:
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> Oh, another note... You a big fan of...whatäs his name... wrote the damned
> Cybepunk books that hooked me... Jhonny Mnemonic... idoru... Darn, my memory...
> max_memory_level <15 minutes... *gah*
> Was it Grisham... noooo.. that was the one with the dinosaurs(and some other
> good ones)... darn this, off to quake and gib some monsters in frustration..
> waaaiit... gib, gib, gibson... william Gibson, thats it :-)
>
> Well, sorry about my waste of splace,but I'm frustrated and bored.. lost a lot
> of work in a crash.
Gibson is about as far out there in the future as Michael Moorcock
is out there in the past. Both extreme on the edge authors and fun
for that light sunday afternoon reading material.
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mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net
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>I was just going to say how real can you get with a machine that was not
>even built yet. No I modelled it after an article I read in Discovery
>Magazine. Thanks for th input though.
Exactly my point - which is why I said it wasn't really a problem :) But if
you are interested in modeling actual nanomacines designs (even if we don't
have the microconstuction techniques to BUILD them yet), check out the
Foresight Institute.
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portelli wrote:
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> No I read Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, The Dragonlance books
Read it. Good, but they need a better editor.
> Tad Williams.
he is good.
Simon Mooncalf :-)
> Read Tad Williams,
Yup
> he has a new series out that is awesome. T can't remember the name but the
> latest book is call River of Blue Fire. Otherland thats it. Good stuff.
> About future internet.
I'll take a peek.
well, while we are on the books, Elizabeth Hand - The Glimmering
Read it.
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//Spider
[ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
"Marian"
By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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Ken wrote:
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> Gibson is about as far out there in the future as Michael Moorcock
> is out there in the past. Both extreme on the edge authors and fun
> for that light sunday afternoon reading material.
Yes, they are good authors, and interesting to read when feeling tired after
watching a three hour parse crash on you... (hate windoze)
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//Spider
[ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
"Marian"
By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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Maybe in reality you shouldn't look at it at all.
If god ment us to see how our bodies work at a
molecular scale he would have given us
miscroscopes for eyes.
And NO I don't believe in God.
Steve
Spider wrote:
>
> I remember this :-)
>
> It has improved a lot... hmm, how _did_ they get the coloured cross on that?
> It must be rather small... *grin* (pencil and microscope?, nah)
>
> it really looks good from my POV, but then, I don't know how it should look like
> in reality(*shudder*)
>
> portelli wrote:
> >
> > Well I don't know how this compares to some of the posts here, I'll let
> > you decide. Mostly this is to help me learn the finer parts of POVRAY.
> > Everything is a primitive. I mean no modellers were used. I noticed
> > that my media is making some black lines though. Do your worst.
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > [Image]
>
> --
> //Spider
> [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
> What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
> "Marian"
> By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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Hang on! Hang on!
As I answered to a post I saw earlier today: The
future isn't all that it's cracked up to be.
<indentation just for Ken> We still have
beggars/homeless people in the cities where we
live, we still have children/young adults leaving
school not being able to read or wrighte. There's
a vicious war in Kosovo, it hasn't rained in some
parts of Ethiopia for about 15 years.
As I said the future it's for the imaginative,
I've read Gibson and all the rest, and who would
have thought in the seventies when video came out
that cinema would be so popular now.
Think again chaps and chapesses, Machines are
rubish, they break down and need humans to fix
them.
Don't have bad dreams.
Steve
Spider wrote:
>
> portelli wrote:
> >
> > No I read Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman, The Dragonlance books
> Read it. Good, but they need a better editor.
>
> > Tad Williams.
> he is good.
> Simon Mooncalf :-)
>
> > Read Tad Williams,
> Yup
> > he has a new series out that is awesome. T can't remember the name but the
> > latest book is call River of Blue Fire. Otherland thats it. Good stuff.
> > About future internet.
> I'll take a peek.
>
> well, while we are on the books, Elizabeth Hand - The Glimmering
> Read it.
>
> --
> //Spider
> [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
> What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
> "Marian"
> By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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Hehe, Before I noted the last line, I was about
to make some severe remarks..
but then, why not look at it, it looks good :-)
Steve wrote:
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> Maybe in reality you shouldn't look at it at all.
>
> If god ment us to see how our bodies work at a
> molecular scale he would have given us
> miscroscopes for eyes.
>
> And NO I don't believe in God.
>
> Steve
>
> Spider wrote:
> >
> > I remember this :-)
> >
> > It has improved a lot... hmm, how _did_ they get the coloured cross on that?
> > It must be rather small... *grin* (pencil and microscope?, nah)
> >
> > it really looks good from my POV, but then, I don't know how it should look like
> > in reality(*shudder*)
> >
> > portelli wrote:
> > >
> > > Well I don't know how this compares to some of the posts here, I'll let
> > > you decide. Mostly this is to help me learn the finer parts of POVRAY.
> > > Everything is a primitive. I mean no modellers were used. I noticed
> > > that my media is making some black lines though. Do your worst.
> > >
> > >
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > [Image]
> >
> > --
> > //Spider
> > [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
> > What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
> > "Marian"
> > By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
--
//Spider
[ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
"Marian"
By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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Steve wrote:
> Hang on! Hang on!
>
> As I answered to a post I saw earlier today: The
> future isn't all that it's cracked up to be.
>
> <indentation just for Ken> We still have
> beggars/homeless people in the cities where we
> live, we still have children/young adults leaving
> school not being able to read or wrighte. There's
> a vicious war in Kosovo, it hasn't rained in some
> parts of Ethiopia for about 15 years.
>
> As I said the future it's for the imaginative,
> I've read Gibson and all the rest, and who would
> have thought in the seventies when video came out
> that cinema would be so popular now.
>
> Think again chaps and chapesses, Machines are
> rubish, they break down and need humans to fix
> them.
>
> Don't have bad dreams.
>
> Steve
>
Machines are only as good as the people who build and program them and
as long as we know less about ourselves than the mechanisms we develop
the human race will enjoy it's job-security.
May the good Lord help us if we ever evolve past our ignorances. ;-]
KB-
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Steve wrote:
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> Hang on! Hang on!
>
> As I answered to a post I saw earlier today: The
> future isn't all that it's cracked up to be.
of course.
"The future will probably be like now, but different"
I don't know who stated that, but I liked it :-)
> <indentation just for Ken> We still have
> beggars/homeless people in the cities where we
> live, we still have children/young adults leaving
> school not being able to read or wrighte. There's
> a vicious war in Kosovo, it hasn't rained in some
> parts of Ethiopia for about 15 years.
Hmm, genocide again.. 50 years since the last one... *hmm*
> As I said the future it's for the imaginative,
> I've read Gibson and all the rest, and who would
> have thought in the seventies when video came out
> that cinema would be so popular now.
I agree with you, and I agree with the fact, we will never see far into the
future..
> Think again chaps and chapesses, Machines are
> rubish, they break down and need humans to fix
> them.
hehe, they sure do.
> Don't have bad dreams.
Why not? it's a bad world after all...
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//Spider
[ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
"Marian"
By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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Spider wrote:
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> Steve wrote:
> >
> > Hang on! Hang on!
> >
> > As I answered to a post I saw earlier today: The
> > future isn't all that it's cracked up to be.
> of course.
> "The future will probably be like now, but different"
> I don't know who stated that, but I liked it :-)
I it to, but neither I know who said it.
>
> > <indentation just for Ken> We still have
> > beggars/homeless people in the cities where we
> > live, we still have children/young adults leaving
> > school not being able to read or wrighte. There's
> > a vicious war in Kosovo, it hasn't rained in some
> > parts of Ethiopia for about 15 years.
> Hmm, genocide again.. 50 years since the last one... *hmm*
Unfourtunatly only 5 years...
Don't you remember the genocide of Tutsi by Hutus in Rwanda.
>
> > As I said the future it's for the imaginative,
> > I've read Gibson and all the rest, and who would
> > have thought in the seventies when video came out
> > that cinema would be so popular now.
> I agree with you, and I agree with the fact, we will never see far into the future..
Hardly more than a few years, if even that.
>
> > Think again chaps and chapesses, Machines are
> > rubish, they break down and need humans to fix
> > them.
> hehe, they sure do.
To bad humans break down and need fixing to ;(.
>
>
> > Don't have bad dreams.
> Why not? it's a bad world after all...
Not all bad, we do have some good things, like POV.
/Peter Toneby
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>(hate windoze)
(Hate damn Putors)
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Kalle Anka wrote:
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<snipping>
> >
> > > <indentation just for Ken> We still have
> > > beggars/homeless people in the cities where we
> > > live, we still have children/young adults leaving
> > > school not being able to read or wrighte. There's
> > > a vicious war in Kosovo, it hasn't rained in some
> > > parts of Ethiopia for about 15 years.
> > Hmm, genocide again.. 50 years since the last one... *hmm*
>
> Unfourtunatly only 5 years...
> Don't you remember the genocide of Tutsi by Hutus in Rwanda.
Yes, Now that I think of it. I guess I'm focused on europe. Sorry folks.
> >
> > > As I said the future it's for the imaginative,
> > > I've read Gibson and all the rest, and who would
> > > have thought in the seventies when video came out
> > > that cinema would be so popular now.
> > I agree with you, and I agree with the fact, we will never see far into the
future..
>
> Hardly more than a few years, if even that.
No, in certain fields, I think we can see clear, but in general... not much
chance, unless we ... (recalls Asimov's foundation books)
> > > Think again chaps and chapesses, Machines are
> > > rubish, they break down and need humans to fix
> > > them.
> > hehe, they sure do.
>
> To bad humans break down and need fixing to ;(.
hehehe, that's why we have shrinks...
Well, I'd like to have a loooong talk with the one who developed the software
for humans... Me, a bat and he... *grin*
Well, he is extremely good at parts, I(ass in "AI" but Not "A") for one, but
then on other occasions...
>
> >
> >
> > > Don't have bad dreams.
> > Why not? it's a bad world after all...
>
> Not all bad, we do have some good things, like POV.
Yes, we have POV. but that doesn't change the world much...(Hmm, I think I can
define a politician in POV code:
#error "BLAH,BLAH,BLAH"
Hmm, perhaps not perfect, but a close match ;-)
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//Spider
[ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
"Marian"
By: "Sisters Of Mercy"
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Steve <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> wrote in message news:370BE8EA.32BC0463@ndirect.co.uk...
<snip>
>We still have
> beggars/homeless people in the cities where we
> live, we still have children/young adults leaving
> school not being able to read or wrighte
<snip>
And spell.
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--The Home Of Lunaland--
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--listen to my music--
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Andy
It was late OK.
Steve
Andrew Cocker wrote:
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> Steve <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> wrote in message news:370BE8EA.32BC0463@ndirect.co.uk...
> <snip>
> >We still have
> > beggars/homeless people in the cities where we
> > live, we still have children/young adults leaving
> > school not being able to read or wrighte
> <snip>
>
> And spell.
>
> --
> ----------------------
> Andy
>
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> -
> --The Home Of Lunaland--
> --visit my POV-Ray gallery--
> --listen to my music--
> www.acocker.freeserve.co.uk
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Steve <sjl### [at] ndirectcouk> wrote in message news:370### [at] ndirectcouk...
> Andy
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> It was late OK.
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> Steve
Okay..I'll let you off ;-)
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