.... as I have difficulty just catching up with the posts here.

Q: What do you guys (and girls?) do besides raytracing?
Especially with Ken, I can't imagine where he takes all
his time from....

You surely must do something for a living. I understand
that most of the people around here are students, but of
some, I definitely know that they aren't.

Markus
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 Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens

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Markus Becker wrote:
> 

> .... as I have difficulty just catching up with the posts here.
> 

> Q: What do you guys (and girls?) do besides raytracing?
> Especially with Ken, I can't imagine where he takes all
> his time from....
> 

> You surely must do something for a living. I understand
> that most of the people around here are students, but of
> some, I definitely know that they aren't.
> 

> Markus
> --
> "Denkst Du vielleicht über den nächsten Satz nach, den Du sagen wil
lst?
>  Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens

This OT post is more suited for povray.general, isn't it! :-)

Maybe I answer there. <g>

Marc
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Marc Schimmler wrote:
> 
> This OT post is more suited for povray.general, isn't it! :-)

Nope, since in .general there is much more traffic of occasional
POVers. Here's the hardcore. I won't ask over there, because
I want to have it answered _here_!

Subito!

Markus
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 Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens

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Markus

I would agree with you that this is the right place to ask your
question, I personally look at this group and post replies every day.  I
rarely look at any other news group.

I am an out of work Network/PC support person.  Even though I've been
out of work for over a month now I still haven't finished or even
improved the scene I was working on while I had a job, I've been too
busy looking for work and trying to improve my standard of C
programming.

Hope this answers your question.  I too am curious about the amount of
time some of these people must spend Ray-Tracing, do they never eat or
sleep, let alone work?

Cheers
Steve

Markus Becker wrote:
> 
> .... as I have difficulty just catching up with the posts here.
> 
> Q: What do you guys (and girls?) do besides raytracing?
> Especially with Ken, I can't imagine where he takes all
> his time from....
> 
> You surely must do something for a living. I understand
> that most of the people around here are students, but of
> some, I definitely know that they aren't.
> 
> Markus
> --
> "Denkst Du vielleicht ber den nchsten Satz nach, den Du sagen willst?
>  Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens

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I seldom visit the other groups either, so....

I used to play all of the time. Yeah, a real playboy, but not with the women
(heh). I tried my hand at R/C Aerobatics and Helicopters. I had real talent
with the choppers, but I was struggling to stay in the hobby. I gave it up
for flying real aircraft, which actually saved me money!

After leaving a Government job, I returned to school, met my wife, and
things have been downhill from there.

These days I support the family by repairing private PC's, running a private
help desk (I guess you'd call it), and doing radio repairs. That sort of
thing.

I have written a few video games using Pov to create the
sprites/skins/textures. I may even publish one of them, someday, if I ever
get rich and can finish development.

Mostly, I just trace images and take the kids fishing for Bass.

So, you've heard of the starving artist type? Well... things aren't really
that bad. And can you really call my Pov efforts art?

GrimDude
vos### [at] arkansasnet

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A: I go to school, play video games, watch cartoons, go to church, eat,
sleep (occasionally), program, play chess, meet with friends, etc.etc.

I am a high school student, 17 years old, so my parents provide me with
monetary support for now. I live in the Republic of Panama.

I think Mr. Tyler is some sort of scientist, although at times it seems
like he's retired. Can't really tell though.

Did this answer your question?

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I don't actually think that Ken exists in the sense of the word as we
understand it, I've had this conversation with him and he assures me
that he does exist.  

I thought that he was like one of those virtual Japanese people who only
exist on the net.  He says not and who am I to question?  His judgement,
taste and skill is enormous when it comes to raytracing.

Steve

Anthony Bennett wrote:
> 
> A: I go to school, play video games, watch cartoons, go to church, eat,
> sleep (occasionally), program, play chess, meet with friends, etc.etc.
> 
> I am a high school student, 17 years old, so my parents provide me with
> monetary support for now. I live in the Republic of Panama.
> 
> I think Mr. Tyler is some sort of scientist, although at times it seems
> like he's retired. Can't really tell though.
> 
> Did this answer your question?

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I think Iv seen him around the sci.electronics.* news groups,
I guess he is into electronics as well.
I have rarly posted anything to this group before, Iv had POV
for about a year or so now, but I havnt completed anything major
yet. Although I love to read this group and look at everones
pictures, they are really great!


Steve wrote:
> 
> I don't actually think that Ken exists in the sense of the word as we
> understand it, I've had this conversation with him and he assures me
> that he does exist.
> 
> I thought that he was like one of those virtual Japanese people who only
> exist on the net.  He says not and who am I to question?  His judgement,
> taste and skill is enormous when it comes to raytracing.
> 
> Steve
> 
> Anthony Bennett wrote:
> >
> > A: I go to school, play video games, watch cartoons, go to church, eat,
> > sleep (occasionally), program, play chess, meet with friends, etc.etc.
> >
> > I am a high school student, 17 years old, so my parents provide me with
> > monetary support for now. I live in the Republic of Panama.
> >
> > I think Mr. Tyler is some sort of scientist, although at times it seems
> > like he's retired. Can't really tell though.
> >
> > Did this answer your question?

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Anthony Bennett wrote:

> I think Mr. Tyler is some sort of scientist...,

Scientist ? Heavens no ! Scientists spend all of their time making
guesses about how things work and then rely on their peers to either
support the guess or tear it to pieces. Engineers hear about the guess,
go down to the store, buy a few parts, and come back two hous later and
show the scientist that not only is it possible but can be done cheaply.

Scientist guess and dream - Engineers build and contribute.

 I am an Engineer.

-- 
Ken Tyler

mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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>  I am an Engineer.

Then how come you know so much about everything? (And what's up with some
people thinking you're not real?) You have to be real, you've mentioned your
wife and fishing and stuff, so you are real. Right? =)

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Anthony Bennett wrote:
> 
> >  I am an Engineer.
> 
> Then how come you know so much about everything?

  The reason I know what I know is because I pay attention, take notes,
study subjects that interest me in detail, and I am blessed with a pretty
good memory. I might be smart but that is open to interpertation.

> (And what's up with some
> people thinking you're not real?) You have to be real, you've mentioned your
> wife and fishing and stuff, so you are real. Right? =)

  I am programed to be as real as you want me to be.

-- 
Ken Tyler

mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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This may be one heck of a pandoras box to open at the images newsgroup.
I know, I saw your request to keep it here. Those people leaving for
awhile are going to more overwhelmed than they first thought.
Answer to your question: I do this and mess with POV-Ray most of all I
think. Other than that, I eat, sleep... you know, the usual. If I'm
"working" it's typically construction, landscaping, or computer help. A
range of things besides (electrical, plumbing, etc.)


Markus Becker wrote:
> 
> .... as I have difficulty just catching up with the posts here.
> 
> Q: What do you guys (and girls?) do besides raytracing?
> Especially with Ken, I can't imagine where he takes all
> his time from....
> 
> You surely must do something for a living. I understand
> that most of the people around here are students, but of
> some, I definitely know that they aren't.
> 
> Markus
> --
> "Denkst Du vielleicht über den nächsten Satz nach, den Du sagen willst?
>  Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens

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Engineers know about everything.  It comes with the territory.  

Anthony Bennett wrote:
> 
> >  I am an Engineer.
> 
> Then how come you know so much about everything? (And what's up with some
> people thinking you're not real?) You have to be real, you've mentioned your
> wife and fishing and stuff, so you are real. Right? =)

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Network admin, computer repairs/support, father of two, husband of one }:=>,
web designer, landscaper, carpenter (specifically, cabinetmaker) ex
convenience store asst. manager, ex bouncer, ex ramp agent for Delta
Airlines, ex paperboy, ex husband of two, ex animal trainer, ex... Jack of
all trade, Master of none, basically
add to that modeller ("real" 3D models.. like non-cumputer aided), mechanic,
scuba diver, plumber, electrician, you get the idea.. :)

Lue Ebra
"When does a hobby become a job? When you start making a profit and it
starts getting boring."

Markus Becker wrote in message <36F8EF50.D75C6375@zess.uni-siegen.de>...
>.... as I have difficulty just catching up with the posts here.
>
>Q: What do you guys (and girls?) do besides raytracing?
>Especially with Ken, I can't imagine where he takes all
>his time from....
>
>You surely must do something for a living. I understand
>that most of the people around here are students, but of
>some, I definitely know that they aren't.
>
>Markus
>--
>"Denkst Du vielleicht über den nächsten Satz nach, den Du sagen willst?
> Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens

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> Engineers hear about the guess,
>go down to the store, buy a few parts, and come back two hous later and
>show the scientist that not only is it possible but can be done cheaply.


That's the problem if you're an engineer : you have to go out ;-)

Philippe

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OK, you wanted it!

This is how I spend my time.

1. Work: computer simulation of ceramics processing
2. Family: A wife and two kids (Hey, thats a lot of time there and I
like it!)
3. Hobbies: Computers in general (programming, networks, C++ ...),
history, 
            historic ship models, fishing ...
4. sometimes I also sleep- :-)

I hope your curiosity is healed! ;-)

Marc 

P.S.: Ken is right about engineers!
-- 
Marc Schimmler

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Markus Becker <bec### [at] zessuni-siegende> wrote in message
news:36F8EF50.D75C6375@zess.uni-siegen.de...
> .... as I have difficulty just catching up with the posts here.
>
> Q: What do you guys (and girls?) do besides raytracing?
> Especially with Ken, I can't imagine where he takes all
> his time from....

I am a self-employed computer (PC) consultant.  I do everything from repair
to programming to making web pages.  I also do tech support for various
programs that allow the blind to use computers (when a blind person screws
up a computer, it is _really_ screwed up).  I haven't had much time for ray
tracing lately, but it's better to have too much work than too little.

Eric

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contrast it makes with what is only apparently true." --- Emanual Lasker
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OK, since you all replied to my query, here a few things about myself.

I'm not sure if I should call me "engineer" or "scientist", since I'm
both. I'm (still) working on my PhD at the Center for Sensorsystems
at the university of Siegen, Germany. Besides I work for a company
that produces quality inspection systems based on computer vision.
I'm responsible for the conception of the systems (the design
is done by a collegue of mine) and I'm in charge of keeping our
software straight. I program user interfaces and the algorithms
for image processing.

It's a pity I don't have more time for raytracing. I guess I trace
about 3-5 hours a week. To comensate that, I loiter about in
p.b.i and look at the nice images that my "fellow POVers" produce.

Markus
-- 
"Denkst Du vielleicht über den nächsten Satz nach, den Du sagen willst?
 Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens

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'T was on Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:57:36 +0100,
that Markus Becker wrote:
> Q: What do you guys (and girls?) do besides raytracing?
<snip>
> You surely must do something for a living.

Well, at the moment I'm officially still a student, but most of the time 
I'm a self-employed anything-with-computer person. I have even been 
called a <shudders> web designer.

At the moment I'm working on a knowledge system in Delphi that uses IE4 
to display texts and my own engine for global text searching. Quite neat.

Hobbies: I read a lot (mostly Terry Pratchett), do some more computer 
programming (currently a Reversi program) and recently I've given 
raytracing a go. Oh, and I go out every now and then...

Phoenix

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Philippee

This sounds like one of those "You know when you've been raytracing too
long" jokes.

And Ken's creators gave him access to the "Encyclopedia Britanica"
database and all the supplements 

Steve

> That's the problem if you're an engineer : you have to go out ;-)
> 
> Philippe

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Gotta say, that's one hell of a speech, Ken!

Ken wrote:

> Anthony Bennett wrote:
>
> > I think Mr. Tyler is some sort of scientist...,
>
> Scientist ? Heavens no ! Scientists spend all of their time making
> guesses about how things work and then rely on their peers to either
> support the guess or tear it to pieces. Engineers hear about the guess,
> go down to the store, buy a few parts, and come back two hous later and
> show the scientist that not only is it possible but can be done cheaply.
>
> Scientist guess and dream - Engineers build and contribute.
>
>  I am an Engineer.
>
> --
> Ken Tyler
>
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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I'm still a student too.  Not for long though.  I'm a computer science
major, so I don't know if I'd be an engineer or a scientist.  Other than
school I do the typical college stuff, and play hockey.  For you people
that follow college basketball, We(Michiagn State) are in the final
four.  And no I have not participated in any of the 'roits'.

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portelli wrote in message <36FA9EB6.AEE677AE@pilot.msu.edu>...
>I'm still a student too.  Not for long though.  I'm a computer science
>major, so I don't know if I'd be an engineer or a scientist.  Other than
>school I do the typical college stuff, and play hockey.  For you people
>that follow college basketball, We(Michiagn State) are in the final
>four.  And no I have not participated in any of the 'roits'.

Heh, I buy my groceries in the same store as Nolan Richardson! :)

If you don't see many games you probably have no idea who that is. I see him
on the news every night here, and then when I visit Florida they have 'know
the enemy segments.' It's great to hear my friends there curse Arkansas'
coach. LOL!

GrimDude
vos### [at] arkansasnet

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Markus Becker wrote in message <36F8EF50.D75C6375@zess.uni-siegen.de>...
>.... as I have difficulty just catching up with the posts here.
>
>Q: What do you guys (and girls?) do besides raytracing?
>Especially with Ken, I can't imagine where he takes all
>his time from....
>
>You surely must do something for a living. I understand
>that most of the people around here are students, but of
>some, I definitely know that they aren't.
>
>Markus


Software developer mostly database application is MS Access,
Oracle and soon ASP.  It leaves me with less hours to raytrace
than I would like.

Gail
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As for my 2 cents (1.33 cents after taxes) I am in technical support at one
of those large places that "outsources" tech support, and if I were to say
more "I'd have to kill you," as the party line goes. I want to move into
full time web design and I have a degree in graphic design. It's just a
damn hard field to jump into.

No family, few friends, and since I'm tethered to a phone and four
computers all day (talk about a rendering farm) I find there is lots of
time to play with POV-Ray.

Josh English
eng### [at] spiritonecom

Markus Becker wrote:

> .... as I have difficulty just catching up with the posts here.
>
> Q: What do you guys (and girls?) do besides raytracing?
> Especially with Ken, I can't imagine where he takes all
> his time from....
>
> You surely must do something for a living. I understand
> that most of the people around here are students, but of
> some, I definitely know that they aren't.
>
> Markus
> --
> "Denkst Du vielleicht über den nächsten Satz nach, den Du sagen willst?
>  Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens

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On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:57:36 +0100, Markus Becker <bec### [at] zessuni-siegende>
wrote:

>Q: What do you guys (and girls?) do besides raytracing?

A: Try to read all these postings!

Before retiring I was a mechanical engineer, and am now busier than ever and
don't do nearly enough raytracing. Hillwalking, amateur geology, cooking (and
eating!) all take time, along with holidays (just back from a geology expedition
to Tenerife and soon going to look at the Grand Canyon). Railway history is an
interest, hence my use of POV to try and accurately model historic steam
locomotives.  To justify this posting I have attached the tender for a
locomotive I posted last year.  The leaf springs are actually nicely detailed
but because of the resolution show as an unfortunate moire pattern.

While off topic, do any of you guys know about APT, a program and language
developed by Doug Ross of MIT in the mid 60's for defining geometry and guiding
a cutting tool on an NC milling machine?  I like to think of APT an ancestor of
POV-ray. It was one of the first computer applications using every-day english
words like CIRCLE, LINE, SPLINE, CUTTER etc. and had a good range of 3D
geometry.  Like POV the source was freely available. Also like POV you often had
to be quite ingenious to get it to produce what you were after. In those days
you needed a multi-million dollar Univac or IBM installation to run APT, whereas
nowadays, my humble PC could eat it.  What will the next 30 years bring I
wonder?
David
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http://www.hamiltonite.mcmail.com
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On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:57:36 +0100, Markus Becker <bec### [at] zessuni-siegende>
wrote:

>Q: What do you guys (and girls?) do besides raytracing?

A: Try to read all these postings!

Before retiring I was a mechanical engineer, and am now busier than ever and
don't do nearly enough raytracing. Hillwalking, amateur geology, cooking (and
eating!) all take time, along with holidays (just back from a geology expedition
to Tenerife and soon going to look at the Grand Canyon). Railway history is an
interest, hence my use of POV to try and accurately model historic steam
locomotives.  To justify this posting I have attached the tender for a
locomotive I posted last year.  The leaf springs are actually nicely detailed
but because of the resolution show as an unfortunate moire pattern.

While off topic, do any of you guys know about APT, a program and language
developed by Doug Ross of MIT in the mid 60's for defining geometry and guiding
a cutting tool on an NC milling machine?  I like to think of APT an ancestor of
POV-ray. It was one of the first computer applications using every-day english
words like CIRCLE, LINE, SPLINE, CUTTER etc. and had a good range of 3D
geometry.  Like POV the source was freely available. Also like POV you often had
to be quite ingenious to get it to produce what you were after. In those days
you needed a multi-million dollar Univac or IBM installation to run APT, whereas
nowadays, my humble PC could eat it.  What will the next 30 years bring I
wonder?
David
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http://www.hamiltonite.mcmail.com
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On Fri, 26 Mar 1999 01:40:20 GMT, dav### [at] cwcomnet (David Wilkinson)
wrote:

 To justify this posting I have attached the tender for a
>locomotive I posted last year.  The leaf springs are actually nicely detailed
>but because of the resolution show as an unfortunate moire pattern.

Timed out before it sent the attachment, try again :-)
>David
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>http://www.hamiltonite.mcmail.com
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Attachments:
Download 'Tender_A.jpg' (51 KB)

Preview of image 'Tender_A.jpg'

Define real. :-)

Anthony Bennett wrote:
> 
> >  I am an Engineer.
> 
> Then how come you know so much about everything? (And what's up with some
> people thinking you're not real?) You have to be real, you've mentioned your
> wife and fishing and stuff, so you are real. Right? =)

-- 
//Spider
        [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
                "Marian"
        By: "Sisters Of Mercy"

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Hm... 
am I a chaoist then???
I don't care for the theory, I take the idea, mix it with enough random
variables and see what I get as an output. Hmm. Usually it is crap.
(Yeah, I've crashed POV many times with recursive loops, a flame demo and the
same)

Ken wrote:
> 
> Anthony Bennett wrote:
> 
> > I think Mr. Tyler is some sort of scientist...,
> 
> Scientist ? Heavens no ! Scientists spend all of their time making
> guesses about how things work and then rely on their peers to either
> support the guess or tear it to pieces. Engineers hear about the guess,
> go down to the store, buy a few parts, and come back two hous later and
> show the scientist that not only is it possible but can be done cheaply.
> 
> Scientist guess and dream - Engineers build and contribute.
> 
>  I am an Engineer.
> 
> --
> Ken Tyler
> 
> mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

-- 
//Spider
        [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
                "Marian"
        By: "Sisters Of Mercy"

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I'll jump in here.
I'm a student of unkonw age, educated software tech, currently boring mys
elf to
death with software engineering. I'm from the demo scene of pc's, use and
 handle
most programming languages, and tend to create my scene's as such.

As for the when. I'm insomniac, in the bad way, thus I tend to spend nigh
ts
coding on something in POV, and leave it parsing over the day. I'm a chao
ist,
not as structured as a scentist, far to bored to be an engineer, I just s
ay
"this is how it is" then try to make it so. (hmm, poet comes to mind)

ok, one more thing. Code can be beautiful. just so you know.


Markus Becker wrote:
> 

> .... as I have difficulty just catching up with the posts here.
> 

> Q: What do you guys (and girls?) do besides raytracing?
> Especially with Ken, I can't imagine where he takes all
> his time from....
> 

> You surely must do something for a living. I understand
> that most of the people around here are students, but of
> some, I definitely know that they aren't.
> 

> Markus
> --
> "Denkst Du vielleicht über den nächsten Satz nach, den Du sagen wil
lst?
>  Ich nicht eine Sekunde!!!" H. Heinol in Val Thorens

-- 

//Spider
        [ spi### [at] bahnhofse ]-[ http://www.bahnhof.se/~spider/ ]
What I can do and what I could do, I just don't know anymore
                "Marian"
        By: "Sisters Of Mercy"

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David Wilkinson wrote:
> 
>  [Image]

Hi David,

  Seems like you kind of buried this a little too deep to get the
recognition it deserves. This one is defiantly nice. I had just
joined the group here when you posted the engine and at the time
was feeling in awe of the competition on this group. Looks like
you're still setting precedence. I would suggest you back off on
the yellow sky a bit though. Looks like a mustard flower pollen
storm in the air or sulphur clouds ?

  On the subject of trains I ran across an archive of train
photography not too long ago and book marked the file for myself
and with the intention of passing it on to you. You may already
know of if it but if you don't it is a definite must see. They
claim to have one of the largest train related image and general
train information archives on the net.

ftp://wuarchive.wustl.edu/graphics/trains/
ftp://wuarchive.wustl.edu/graphics/trains/aeroscan/

-- 
Ken Tyler

mailto://tylereng@pacbell.net

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David

I've seen this post, and been to your web site, I really like this
stuff.  How about doing one of the Black 5 and tender coupled up?

A request:  Could you please do an image of my favourite the 8F?

Maybe in the future a goods yard with a Panya Tank and a few freight
engines and trucks.  

Cheers
Steve

David Wilkinson wrote:
> 
>  [Image]

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