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From: Rune
Subject: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 11:57:00
Message: <39c8de4c@news.povray.org>
Here's a small animation I've made.

This animation will be shown on MTV Europe on Monday 25 this month. It will
be shown in the program "Top Selection" which is on at 20:00 (Central
European Time).

What do you think?

By the way, if anybody here is able to grab screen shots from TV I would
appreciate it if you could get some screenshots of the program while my
animation is on, and then send them to me!

Rune
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From: Tony[B]
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 12:21:33
Message: <39c8e40d@news.povray.org>
> This animation will be shown on MTV Europe on Monday 25 this month. It
will
> be shown in the program "Top Selection" which is on at 20:00 (Central
> European Time).

How did you land this gig? That's pretty cool, Rune! Feel proud: We are!


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From: Bill DeWitt
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 13:02:55
Message: <39c8edbf@news.povray.org>
"Rune" <run### [at] inamecom> wrote :
>
> This animation will be shown on MTV Europe on Monday 25 this month. It
will
> be shown in the program "Top Selection" which is on at 20:00 (Central
> European Time).

    So will you still talk to us when you are rich and famous?


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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 13:17:48
Message: <39C8F002.B78ACB6C@my-dejanews.com>
Extremely cool and congratulations!

PLEASE tell me EXACTLY what kind of hardware and video format they wanted:

    1)     MPG-1 on CD-ROM,
    2)    AVI on VHS cassette,
    3)    etc.

Thanks.


Rune wrote:

> Here's a small animation I've made.
>
> This animation will be shown on MTV Europe on Monday 25 this month. It will
> be shown in the program "Top Selection" which is on at 20:00 (Central
> European Time).
>
> What do you think?
>
> By the way, if anybody here is able to grab screen shots from TV I would
> appreciate it if you could get some screenshots of the program while my
> animation is on, and then send them to me!
>
> Rune
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>               Name: mtv.mpg
>    mtv.mpg    Type: MPLAYER2 File (video/mpeg)
>           Encoding: x-uuencode


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From: Rick [Kitty5]
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 14:11:16
Message: <39c8fdc4@news.povray.org>
> This animation will be shown on MTV Europe on Monday 25 this month. It
will
> be shown in the program "Top Selection" which is on at 20:00 (Central
> European Time).

wow !, nice one rune!

you da mannnn, hooz da mannn..., hooz da mannnn

Rick


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 14:37:20
Message: <39c903e0@news.povray.org>
"Tony[B]" wrote:
> How did you land this gig?

Top Selection is a program where they, besides showing lots of music videos,
show pictures and animations sent in by the viewers. The viewers don't get
that much credit - I imagine they will say something like, "This cool
animations is made by Rune from Denmark".

> That's pretty cool, Rune! Feel proud: We are!

Thank you! The show is on Monday to Thursday every week, and they *always*
show pictures and animations, so it isn't *that* special - but still a
little exiting! :-)

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From: Rune
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 14:37:22
Message: <39c903e2@news.povray.org>
"Bill DeWitt" wrote:
>     So will you still talk to us when you are rich and famous?

Ha! Don't count on that! Me getting rich and famous that is...

All the other viewers who have sent in pictures and animations don't seem to
have become rich and famous...

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From: Rune
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 14:37:23
Message: <39c903e3@news.povray.org>
"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> Extremely cool and congratulations!

Thank you!

> PLEASE tell me EXACTLY what kind of hardware and
> video format they wanted:
>
>     1)     MPG-1 on CD-ROM,
>     2)    AVI on VHS cassette,
>     3)    etc.

Erm, why? If you watch MTV Europe you'll know - and if you don't, then I
don't think it would be appropriate to send them stuff... Please clarify.

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From: Bill DeWitt
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 14:55:22
Message: <39c9081a@news.povray.org>
"Rune" <run### [at] inamecom> wrote :
>
> All the other viewers who have sent in pictures and animations don't seem
to
> have become rich and famous...

    Well, when you go to get your next big cool gig and tell the folks (oh
so very casually) that your work has been on MTV and <bla bla>, your
grooviness factor will be much higher.


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From: Ken
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 15:33:31
Message: <39C9105A.C653686@pacbell.net>
Rune wrote:

> Erm, why?

Erm, why not ? A valid question from an inquisitive mind. It's
not top secret or anything like that is it ?

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From: Rune
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 16:08:22
Message: <39c91936@news.povray.org>
"Ken" wrote:
> Rune wrote:
>
> > Erm, why?
>
> Erm, why not ? A valid question from an inquisitive mind.
> It's not top secret or anything like that is it ?

The way I said it may have sounded in a way it shouldn't have - I was just
wondering really.

Anyway, the animation isn't sent on CD-ROM or VHS, but simply by e-mail.
Various formats can be used (I used AVI) - more details can be found on the
MTV Europe website.

Hope that was what you wanted to know...

BTW, I'm still wondering what the question was about!

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From: Bill DeWitt
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 16:31:08
Message: <39c91e8c$1@news.povray.org>
"Rune" <run### [at] inamecom> wrote :
>
> BTW, I'm still wondering what the question was about!

    I read it as, "In what format do professional broadcasters want their
animations when you submit them?"  Sort of a general question about
something that you have knowledge of in one specific example. So he might be
able to assume, barring information to the contrary, that other broadcasters
might want a similar format.


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 16:42:26
Message: <39c92132@news.povray.org>
"Bill DeWitt" wrote:
>     I read it as, "In what format do professional broadcasters
> want their animations when you submit them?"  Sort of a general
> question about something that you have knowledge of in one
> specific example. So he might be able to assume, barring
> information to the contrary, that other broadcasters might want
> a similar format.

Thank you, that cleared it up (assuming you were right about what Greg
meant).

However, I'm not sure that is the general way things are handled at
professional broadcasters. After all, there's a difference between a 6 sec
animation and animations that are much longer...

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From: Rune
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 16:42:27
Message: <39c92133@news.povray.org>
"Rick [Kitty5]" wrote:
> wow !, nice one rune!

Thank you!

> you da mannnn, hooz da mannn..., hooz da mannnn

Right...

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From: Rune
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 16:42:28
Message: <39c92134$1@news.povray.org>
"Bill DeWitt" wrote:
>     Well, when you go to get your next big cool gig and tell
> the folks (oh so very casually) that your work has been on
> MTV and <bla bla>, your grooviness factor will be much higher.

:-D

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From: Remco de Korte
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 18:04:26
Message: <39C93421.8C2EA517@xs4all.nl>
Way to go,

Rune wrote:
> 
> Here's a small animation I've made.
> 
> This animation will be shown on MTV Europe on Monday 25 this month. It will
> be shown in the program "Top Selection" which is on at 20:00 (Central
> European Time).
> 
> What do you think?
> 
> By the way, if anybody here is able to grab screen shots from TV I would
> appreciate it if you could get some screenshots of the program while my
> animation is on, and then send them to me!
> 
> Rune
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> 
>               Name: mtv.mpg
>    mtv.mpg    Type: MPLAYER2 File (video/mpeg)
>           Encoding: x-uuencode
 Rune!
And, not unimportant, nice animation. Very effective.

Cheers!

Remco


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From: Chris Huff
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 20:05:04
Message: <chrishuff-04AC3D.19070720092000@news.povray.org>
In article <39c8de4c@news.povray.org>, "Rune" <run### [at] inamecom> 
wrote:

> What do you think?

Neat. It looks like you used glows...did you?

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From: Bob Hughes
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 20 Sep 2000 22:18:20
Message: <39c96fec@news.povray.org>
Congratulations!  Stardom at last, eh?
Think they'll end up trimming it to a single rotation instead of the 2?  I'm
only joking of course but it always seems little graphic interludes such as
this are always so short, flash and it's gone.  I'm sure it will be original
length though  :-)  not that it's a large frame count as it is.  Should have
put subliminal messages about www.povray.org, news:povray.org and a few
other things or people while you were at it.  Again, I'm joking around...
maybe.

Bob


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From: Dave Blandston
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 21 Sep 2000 01:01:44
Message: <39c99638@news.povray.org>
"Bob Hughes" <per### [at] aolcom?subject=PoV-News:> wrote in message
news:39c96fec@news.povray.org...
> Should have
> put subliminal messages about www.povray.org, news:povray.org and a few
> other things or people while you were at it.

You didn't see the subliminal messages in Rune's animation, Bob?


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 21 Sep 2000 08:08:37
Message: <39c9fa45@news.povray.org>
"Remco de Korte" wrote:
> Way to go, Rune!
> And, not unimportant, nice animation. Very effective.

Thank you!

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From: Rune
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 21 Sep 2000 08:08:38
Message: <39c9fa46@news.povray.org>
"Chris Huff" wrote:
> Neat. It looks like you used glows...did you?

No, all the colored dots are just artifacts caused by the high compression.

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From: Rune
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 21 Sep 2000 08:08:39
Message: <39c9fa47$1@news.povray.org>
"Bob Hughes" wrote:
> Congratulations!  Stardom at last, eh?

Hehe, yeah, right...

> Think they'll end up trimming it to a single rotation instead of the 2?

If I'm lucky they'll loop it a few times (even though it's not cyclic).

> Should have put subliminal messages about www.povray.org,
> news:povray.org and a few other things or people while you
> were at it.  Again, I'm joking around...

Well, I tried, but they asked me to make a version without it.

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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 21 Sep 2000 08:19:48
Message: <39C9FBAA.8FB828B5@my-dejanews.com>
Bill DeWitt wrote:

> "Rune" <run### [at] inamecom> wrote :
> >
> > BTW, I'm still wondering what the question was about!
>
>     I read it as, "In what format do professional broadcasters want their
> animations when you submit them?"

EXACTLY.
I still have dreams of setting up my own TV commercial business on the side,
with say a walking donut advertising for our local donut shop.  I've also
thought of doing (offered to do) some pro-bono work for charities, and wondered
what the stations/networks REALLY want.

And is it really just any kind of AVI?  Or did you have to use a program to
convert to NTSC-safe colors, etc.?

No,  I'm not going to solicit MTV-E  just yet.............


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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 21 Sep 2000 09:41:30
Message: <39CA0ECB.3FA172D9@my-dejanews.com>
The "M" is obviously Gill Sans Ultrabold

Where did you get the object for the "tv" ?

Rune wrote:

> Here's a small animation I've made.
>


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 21 Sep 2000 11:32:41
Message: <39ca2a19@news.povray.org>
"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> The "M" is obviously Gill Sans Ultrabold

No, it's a prism.

> Where did you get the object for the "tv" ?

It's a heightfield intersection. The image I got from the MTVE website. I
then singled out the "tv" part and blurred it a little.

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From: Rune
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 21 Sep 2000 11:32:43
Message: <39ca2a1b@news.povray.org>
"Greg M. Johnson" wrote:
> I still have dreams of setting up my own TV commercial
> business on the side

Ahh yes, who doesn't dream about using POV-Ray professionally...

> and wondered what the stations/networks REALLY want.

I'm afraid I don't know, because MTV Top Selection is a special case:

"MTV's Top Selection is taking a giant leap into the twenty first century!
Gone are the days of studios and the tape machines, the show is now totally
designed, developed and transmitted from an ordinary PC."

> And is it really just any kind of AVI?  Or did you have
> to use a program to convert to NTSC-safe colors, etc.?

No, it's not just any kind of AVI. You have to EXACTLY follow these
guidelines (I quote):

"We prefer these formats (avi, mov, swf, gif, jpg, bmp). If your file is not
in one of these formats, try to send it to us anyway, and we will have a
look."

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From: Bill DeWitt
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 21 Sep 2000 13:24:10
Message: <39ca443a@news.povray.org>
"Rune" <run### [at] inamecom> wrote :
>
> "We prefer these formats (avi, mov, swf, gif, jpg, bmp). If your file is
not
> in one of these formats, try to send it to us anyway, and we will have a
> look."

    Exclusionist bastards! No wonder the little guy can't make it in the
entertainment industry...


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From: Rick [Kitty5]
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 22 Sep 2000 09:53:55
Message: <39cb6473$1@news.povray.org>
> > you da mannnn, hooz da mannn..., hooz da mannnn
>
> Right...

www.joecartoon.com - superfly :))))

Rick


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From: 25ct
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 22 Sep 2000 15:25:32
Message: <39cbb22c@news.povray.org>
Hi Rune.  Very good! I like that.  Can I ask how long something like this
will take to produce?

   ~Steve~


"Rune" <run### [at] inamecom> wrote in message
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> Here's a small animation I've made.
>
>
> What do you think?
>
> Rune
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From: Rune
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 22 Sep 2000 19:04:20
Message: <39cbe574@news.povray.org>
No seriously, of course I used glows! :-)

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From: Rune
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 22 Sep 2000 19:04:24
Message: <39cbe578@news.povray.org>
"25ct" wrote:
>    Hi Rune.  Very good! I like that.

Thanks!

> Can I ask how long something like this will take to produce?

Do you mean how long it took me to create the animation?
It took me about a day to create and 8 hours to render.
I used Chris Colefax' Object Exploder and the glows in MegaPOV+.

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From: 25ct
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 22 Sep 2000 21:00:29
Message: <39cc00ad@news.povray.org>
Thanks Rune.  I haven't even seriously contemplated trying to do an
animation yet, (If I can). I just wanted to know what sort of time it takes
to do what you have done, and whether it is viable for me at the moment.
For instance, if I quadruple your times, and get a 'movement' from my
effort, then I will be happy!  :o)

    Thanks,  ~Steve~
(gonna give it a go, but ain't got a clue as to 'what' yet... ;o)


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> "25ct" wrote:
> >    Hi Rune.  Very good! I like that.
>
> Thanks!
>
> > Can I ask how long something like this will take to produce?
>
> Do you mean how long it took me to create the animation?
> It took me about a day to create and 8 hours to render.
> I used Chris Colefax' Object Exploder and the glows in MegaPOV+.
>
> Rune
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From: Rune
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 25 Sep 2000 14:56:15
Message: <39cf9fcf@news.povray.org>
I wrote:
> This animation will be shown on MTV Europe on Monday 25 this month.
> It will be shown in the program "Top Selection" which is on at 20:00
> (Central European Time).

I just saw it in TV now. The animations was squashed to a square, looped a
few times, and had this text written next to it:

> This animations was made by Rune in Denmark.
>
> Now this one we really like!!!
>
> Of course if you have anything like this, send it via mtve.com
>
> Rune had no request, so we're gonna play one of your favorites...
>
> ...here's Destiny's Child and 'Jumpin' jumpin'."

I forgot to make a request? Oops...

Anyway, I think it was cool to see it there. Did anyone else see it?

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From: Remco de Korte
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 25 Sep 2000 16:09:26
Message: <39CFB0A6.46A1BE71@xs4all.nl>
Rune wrote:
> 
> I wrote:
> > This animation will be shown on MTV Europe on Monday 25 this month.
> > It will be shown in the program "Top Selection" which is on at 20:00
> > (Central European Time).
> 
> I just saw it in TV now. The animations was squashed to a square, looped a
> few times, and had this text written next to it:
> 
> > This animations was made by Rune in Denmark.
> >
> > Now this one we really like!!!
> >
> > Of course if you have anything like this, send it via mtve.com
> >
> > Rune had no request, so we're gonna play one of your favorites...
> >
> > ...here's Destiny's Child and 'Jumpin' jumpin'."
> 
> I forgot to make a request? Oops...
> 
> Anyway, I think it was cool to see it there. Did anyone else see it?
> 
> Rune

Darn, I missed it... sorry.
So, you're saying they want square animations? 
How about giving them a POV-flood?

Remco


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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 25 Sep 2000 20:23:32
Message: <39cfec84@news.povray.org>
Remco de Korte wrote:

> Darn, I missed it... sorry.
> So, you're saying they want square animations?
> How about giving them a POV-flood?
>
> Remco

1.  The web page is: http://mtve.com/sho/topse/letter.html

2.  Yes, the "M" is in fact Gil Sans Ultrabold, in case anyone was doubting. (I
can just tell!)

3.  Rune, where did you get the "tv"?

4.  Think they'll object to blokes from the states?


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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 26 Sep 2000 08:00:34
Message: <39d08fe2$1@news.povray.org>
And what was your pixel w/h?

Rune wrote:

> I just saw it in TV now. The animations was squashed to a square, looped a
> few times, and had this text written next to it:


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From: Rune
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 26 Sep 2000 11:11:47
Message: <39d0bcb3@news.povray.org>
"Remco de Korte" wrote:
> So, you're saying they want square animations?

I dunno... It could seem so.

> How about giving them a POV-flood?

If some of us POV-Ray users who actually watch the program (whether it is
often or just occasionally) sent in some animations and/or pictures made
especially for that program I see no harm in that.

However, I would dissociate myself from it if people sent in things even
though they have never actually watched the program, or if they sent in
pre-existing material just to use the program as an exhibition of their
personal artwork.

Rune
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From: Greg M  Johnson
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 26 Sep 2000 11:41:23
Message: <39D0C25D.50FE16@my-dejanews.com>
Rune wrote:

> > How about giving them a POV-flood?
>
> If some of us POV-Ray users who actually watch the program (whether it is
> often or just occasionally) sent in some animations and/or pictures made
> especially for that program I see no harm in that.
>
> However, I would dissociate myself from it if people sent in things even
> though they have never actually watched the program, or if they sent in
> pre-existing material just to use the program as an exhibition of their
> personal artwork.

Yeah, I was thinking of making something brand new with the MTV logo, but yes
at the same time, just to use the program as an exhibition of their personal
artwork.  Cannot get MTV-E in the states.


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From: Zeger Knaepen
Subject: Re: MTV Logo
Date: 27 Sep 2000 16:47:50
Message: <39D25DA7.E944A5EB@urc1.cc.kuleuven.ac.be>
> Anyway, I think it was cool to see it there. Did anyone else see it?
I hope my sister recorded it...  I asked her to because I wasn't home
at that time.

ZK
http://www.povplace.be.tf


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