Can the latest beta be downloaded using Debian synaptic package manager? 
Is there a guide on how to install and use povray on Debian? Thanks.


Mike

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Mike Horvath <mik### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
> Can the latest beta be downloaded using Debian synaptic package manager?
> Is there a guide on how to install and use povray on Debian? Thanks.

Linux distributions typically provide only stable software (except presumably
for particularly popular packages). For example, according to
packages.debian.org the Debian packages "povray", "povray-includes" and
"povray-examples" for "Jessie", "Stretch" and "Sid" are at 3.7.0.

We do not make any attempts to provide pre-built packages for any Linux distro
whatsoever.

To install any contemporary official POV-Ray release or pre-release on any
Unixoid system without using a package manager, download the corresponding
..tar.gz source code package from https://github.com/POV-Ray/povray/releases, and
follow the instructions outlined in `unix/README.md`.

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"clipka" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
> We do not make any attempts to provide pre-built packages for any Linux distro
> whatsoever.

(Just for clarification, what I meant is that we currently do not make any
attempts to provide pre-built packages /ourselves/, but rather leave that up to
the distro folks; of course we are more than happy to provide /them/ with
support as best as we can. But we currently have neither the manpower nor
expertise nor infrastructure in place to actively get involved in the Linux
pre-built packages ecosystem.)

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On Sat, 08 Apr 2017 05:47:28 -0400, clipka wrote:

> "clipka" <nomail@nomail> wrote:
>> We do not make any attempts to provide pre-built packages for any Linux
>> distro whatsoever.
> 
> (Just for clarification, what I meant is that we currently do not make
> any attempts to provide pre-built packages /ourselves/, but rather leave
> that up to the distro folks; of course we are more than happy to provide
> /them/ with support as best as we can. But we currently have neither the
> manpower nor expertise nor infrastructure in place to actively get
> involved in the Linux pre-built packages ecosystem.)

FWIW, though, someone who was interested in doing so could probably use 
the Open Build Service (build.opensuse.org) to build packages for 
multiple distributions - it doesn't just do packaging for openSUSE.

The only caveat might be the license POV-Ray uses - I know there are some 
restrictions when it comes to software that has patent encumbrances 
(which I'm sure POV-Ray doesn't), but someone who was interested in 
looking into it further could make that determination.

Just a thought :)
-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

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On 4/8/2017 6:59 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> Just a thought:)


Get you, show off. :P

-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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On 4/8/2017 5:24 AM, clipka wrote:
> Mike Horvath <mik### [at] gmailcom> wrote:
>> Can the latest beta be downloaded using Debian synaptic package manager?
>> Is there a guide on how to install and use povray on Debian? Thanks.
>
> Linux distributions typically provide only stable software (except presumably
> for particularly popular packages). For example, according to
> packages.debian.org the Debian packages "povray", "povray-includes" and
> "povray-examples" for "Jessie", "Stretch" and "Sid" are at 3.7.0.
>
> We do not make any attempts to provide pre-built packages for any Linux distro
> whatsoever.
>
> To install any contemporary official POV-Ray release or pre-release on any
> Unixoid system without using a package manager, download the corresponding
> ..tar.gz source code package from https://github.com/POV-Ray/povray/releases, and
> follow the instructions outlined in `unix/README.md`.
>
>
>


Is there a guide about usage on Linux? There is no POVray editor on 
Linux, correct? How does one load a file and then start a render? Does a 
render window appear?


Mike

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On Sat, 08 Apr 2017 20:03:36 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> On 4/8/2017 6:59 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>> Just a thought:)
> 
> 
> Get you, show off. :P

:D

Yep, thinking is what I do now. ;)

Jim



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"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

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On 4/8/2017 9:26 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Apr 2017 20:03:36 +0100, Stephen wrote:
>
>> On 4/8/2017 6:59 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>> Just a thought:)
>>
>>
>> Get you, show off. :P
>
> :D
>
> Yep, thinking is what I do now. ;)
>
> Jim
>
>
>

Sigh! :)

-- 

Regards
     Stephen

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On Sat, 08 Apr 2017 21:44:54 +0100, Stephen wrote:

> Sigh! :)

That's what happens when you get promoted, your team gets disbanded, and 
you move to manage a new team and several programs - you spend all your 
time thinking. :)



-- 
"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and 
besides, the pig likes it." - George Bernard Shaw

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On 4/8/2017 3:39 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> Is there a guide about usage on Linux? There is no POVray editor on
> Linux, correct? How does one load a file and then start a render? Does a
> render window appear?
>
>
> Mike

Are these instructions current?

http://www.povray.org/download/linux.php


Mike

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Am 08.04.2017 um 23:23 schrieb Mike Horvath:
> On 4/8/2017 3:39 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
>> Is there a guide about usage on Linux? There is no POVray editor on
>> Linux, correct? How does one load a file and then start a render? Does a
>> render window appear?

You will need a stand-alone editor. Any ASCII text editor will do.

To start a render, you need to run POV-Ray from the command line and
specify the file to render as well as any options, like so:

    povray -kfi1 -kff100 myanim.pov

or

    povray myscene.ini


> Are these instructions current?
> 
> http://www.povray.org/download/linux.php

No, they're pretty outdated.

As I said, download the package from GitHub, then follow the
instructions in `unix/README.md` within that package.

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On 2017-04-08 05:23 PM (-4), Mike Horvath wrote:
> Are these instructions current?
>
> http://www.povray.org/download/linux.php

No, they are for installing a pre-compiled executable for version 3.6. 
Some of these instructions still pertain to 3.7, though.  I first 
installed to GNU/Linux in 2012, before the official release of 3.7.0, so 
some of the preparation had already been done by the 3.6 install before 
I installed 3.7.  If you want to install 3.6 first, then do run the 
instructions as is.  For 3.7, I'll see if I can sort it out here.

1. Open a shell.

2. Create a temporary directory.

    user@machine:~> mkdir ~/povray/

    If you've already installed 3.6, you don't need to do this again
    for 3.7.

3. Get the POV-Ray for GNU/Linux binary package from the POV-Ray
    website.

    Obsolete, as there is no pre-compiled 3.7 GNU/Linux binary.
    Instead, go to https://github.com/POV-Ray/povray/tags and download
    the source code.

4. Defer.

5. Skip.

6. Unpack the distribution.

    I just use Ark.  It's easier than memorizing all those flags.
    Whichever method you use, make sure it's unpacked to its own
    version subdirectory, e.g., ~/povray/povray-3.7.1-beta.5/

4. Switch back to the shell.

7. Change into the distribution directory.

    Actually, go one further, into the Unix subdirectory:

    user@machine:~> cd ~/povray/povray-3.7.1-beta.5/unix

8. Become root.

    I prefer to use sudo rather than logging in as root.

9a. Prepare the installation environment:

     user@machine:~/povray/povray-3.7.1-beta.5/unix> ./prebuild.sh

9b. Go up to the distribution directory:

     user@machine:~/povray/povray-3.7.1-beta.5/unix> cd ..

9c. Configure the installation:

     user@machine:~/povray/povray-3.7.1-beta.5> ./configure 
COMPILED_BY="Mike Horvath <mik### [at] emailcom>" LIBS="-lboost_system 
-lboost_thread"

9d. Build the program and run a test render:

     user@machine:~/povray/povray-3.7.1-beta.5> make check

9e. If you want to keep to a previous version of POV-Ray, rename the
     executable:

     user@machine:~/povray/povray-3.7.1-beta.5> cd /usr/local/bin
     user@machine:/usr/local/bin> sudo mv povray povray-3.6
       (Enter the root password.)
     user@machine:/usr/local/bin> cd -

9f. Install the program:

     user@machine:~/povray/povray-3.7.1-beta.5> sudo make install
       (Enter the root password.)

10. Leave the root environment:

     Unnecessary if you used sudo.

11. If you had previously installed POV-Ray:

     user@machine:~/povray/povray-3.7.1-beta.5> cd unix
     user@machine:~/povray/povray-3.7.1-beta.5/unix> ./install user

     I haven't done this in a while, so I'm not sure how necessary this
     is.  I have a ~/.povray/3.7 directory, and I do not know at what
     point this directory was created.

     The master povray.ini file is in this directory, and the changes I
     made to that file are *not* overwritten when I upgrade without the
     ./install user step.  However, the 3.6 and 3.7 files are in
     different directories, so whatever changes you made for 3.6, you
     will have to do them again for the 3.7 file.

12. If you are using KDE:

     user@machine:~/povray/povray-3.7.1-beta.5/unix> ./install kde

     I have not been able to get this to work in 3.7.  Jim Holsenback
     has a workaround:

 
http://news.povray.org/povray.binaries.utilities/thread/%3C4f4092fb%40news.povray.org%3E/

13. To test if installation was successful:

     This does not work for me, but a check was already done in
     step 9d.

14a. If you aren't already there, change to the Unix subdirectory:

      user@machine:~/povray/povray-3.7.1-beta.5> cd unix

14b. Cleanup after the installation:

      user@machine:~/povray/povray-3.7.1-beta.5/unix> ./prebuild clean

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On 4/9/2017 2:45 PM, Cousin Ricky wrote:
> On 2017-04-08 05:23 PM (-4), Mike Horvath wrote:
>> Are these instructions current?
>>
>> http://www.povray.org/download/linux.php
>
> No, they are for installing a pre-compiled executable for version 3.6.
> Some of these instructions still pertain to 3.7, though.  I first
> installed to GNU/Linux in 2012, before the official release of 3.7.0, so
> some of the preparation had already been done by the 3.6 install before
> I installed 3.7.  If you want to install 3.6 first, then do run the
> instructions as is.  For 3.7, I'll see if I can sort it out here.
>
> 1. Open a shell.
>
> 2. Create a temporary directory.
>
>    user@machine:~> mkdir ~/povray/
>
>    If you've already installed 3.6, you don't need to do this again
>    for 3.7.
>
> 3. Get the POV-Ray for GNU/Linux binary package from the POV-Ray
>    website.
>
>    Obsolete, as there is no pre-compiled 3.7 GNU/Linux binary.
>    Instead, go to https://github.com/POV-Ray/povray/tags and download
>    the source code.
>

Thanks so much for the help! One more thing I want to know is how do I 
download the source using only a terminal window? I am using a Google 
Cloud VM and they allow only SSH terminal access I think.


Mike

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On 4/9/2017 10:18 PM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> Thanks so much for the help! One more thing I want to know is how do I
> download the source using only a terminal window? I am using a Google
> Cloud VM and they allow only SSH terminal access I think.
>
>
> Mike
>

I am doing some additional research in case there's a way to connect to 
the instance using some GUI tool that allows me to see the dekstop.


Mike

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I found out that the Debian VMs Google uses have no desktop. So I will 
just use Windows as per normal.


Mike

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I also just found out when trying to set up a VM that you have to 
"upgrade" your account (i.e. don't use a free trial account) to use more 
than 8 CPU cores. :(


Mike

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On 04/10/2017 04:18 AM, Mike Horvath wrote:

>>    Obsolete, as there is no pre-compiled 3.7 GNU/Linux binary.
>>    Instead, go to https://github.com/POV-Ray/povray/tags and download
>>    the source code.
>>
>
> Thanks so much for the help! One more thing I want to know is how do I
> download the source using only a terminal window? I am using a Google
> Cloud VM and they allow only SSH terminal access I think.

$ wget https://github.com/POV-Ray/povray/archive/v3.7.1-beta.5.tar.gz

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On 4/10/2017 12:56 AM, Mike Horvath wrote:
> I also just found out when trying to set up a VM that you have to
> "upgrade" your account (i.e. don't use a free trial account) to use more
> than 8 CPU cores. :(
>
>
> Mike


Correction: 8 threads on 4 cores.


Mike

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On 2017-04-09 02:45 PM (-4), Cousin Ricky wrote:
> 14b. Cleanup after the installation:
>
>      user@machine:~/povray/povray-3.7.1-beta.5/unix> ./prebuild clean

This should be ./prebuild.sh clean

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