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From: Calvin
Subject: Re: MORAY programmers wanted
Date: 21 Mar 2008 10:25:01
Message: <web.47e3d259fdef6e0e77a62f940@news.povray.org>
Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
> As many of you would be aware, POV-Ray now owns the Moray source code base.
> We will be re-releasing this under the GPL3 once it is in working order.
> However the main issue at this point is that Moray used a commercial
> component in its tool bar, which we obviously cannot re-license. Thus, to
> get a working Moray executable we at this time need someone who is
> proficient with Visual Studio 2005 to jump into the code and do what is
> needed to remove the old toolbar code and either stub it out or replace it
> with whatever would be most appropriate via other open-source toolkits.
>
> It is longer-term a goal of ours to have Moray move to being a cross-
> platform tool, however I'm not sure if it is wise to do both of the above
> at once (i.e. skip the basic 'get it up and working' and go straight to the
> full conversion). I'd like to see something working sooner rather than later;]
>
> In either event, we're seeking some enthusiastic coders from the community
> who may be interested in taking this. I thought it would be fair to ask
> here, on our own news server, first, prior to making it more public.
>
> Note that we do ask of the coders who volunteer that they be willing to
> devote a reasonable amount of time into the project in the short to medium
> term, since this is when their time will be needed most.
>
> Anyone who is interested feel free to reply to this post [followup set to
> povray.general] or email me direct.
>
> regards,
>
> -- Chris

Chris -

I can take a crack at this. I can get it up and running in relatively short
order and provide guidance on cross-platform-ing it down the road.

I have the next week (after Easter) off from teaching, so I'll have the most
amount of time then.


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From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: MORAY programmers wanted
Date: 29 Mar 2008 06:05:34
Message: <47ee227e@news.povray.org>
Calvin wrote:
> I can take a crack at this. I can get it up and running in relatively short
> order and provide guidance on cross-platform-ing it down the road.
> 
> I have the next week (after Easter) off from teaching, so I'll have the most
> amount of time then.

Hi,

Can you contact me via email please? I don't have your email address handy.

-- Chris


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From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: MORAY programmers wanted
Date: 29 Mar 2008 12:29:04
Message: <47ee7c60$1@news.povray.org>
Calvin wrote:
> I have the next week (after Easter) off from teaching, so I'll have the most
> amount of time then.

PS apologies for only replying this weekend - I realise the above week is
already over, but I only just today caught up with the newsgroup.

-- Chris


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From: Carlo C 
Subject: Re: MORAY programmers wanted
Date: 30 Mar 2008 07:25:00
Message: <web.47ef85cdfdef6e0e2232edcc0@news.povray.org>
Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
> As many of you would be aware, POV-Ray now owns the Moray source code base.
> We will be re-releasing this under the GPL3 once it is in working order.
> However the main issue at this point is that Moray used a commercial
> component in its tool bar, which we obviously cannot re-license. Thus, to
> get a working Moray executable we at this time need someone who is
> proficient with Visual Studio 2005 to jump into the code and do what is
> needed to remove the old toolbar code and either stub it out or replace it
> with whatever would be most appropriate via other open-source toolkits.
>
> It is longer-term a goal of ours to have Moray move to being a cross-
> platform tool, however I'm not sure if it is wise to do both of the above
> at once (i.e. skip the basic 'get it up and working' and go straight to the
> full conversion). I'd like to see something working sooner rather than later;]
>
> In either event, we're seeking some enthusiastic coders from the community
> who may be interested in taking this. I thought it would be fair to ask
> here, on our own news server, first, prior to making it more public.
>
> Note that we do ask of the coders who volunteer that they be willing to
> devote a reasonable amount of time into the project in the short to medium
> term, since this is when their time will be needed most.
>
> Anyone who is interested feel free to reply to this post [followup set to
> povray.general] or email me direct.
>
> regards,
>
> -- Chris

I would be happy to help if I knew something of C++.
Alas!
Why not put emphasis on the home page?
This is a good message for anyone!

Thanks for your work.


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From: Robert McGregor
Subject: Re: MORAY programmers wanted
Date: 14 Jun 2008 10:05:00
Message: <web.4853cf91fdef6e0ec83f0f2f0@news.povray.org>
Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
> As many of you would be aware, POV-Ray now owns the Moray source code base.
> We will be re-releasing this under the GPL3 once it is in working order.
> However the main issue at this point is that Moray used a commercial
> component in its tool bar, which we obviously cannot re-license. Thus, to
> get a working Moray executable we at this time need someone who is
> proficient with Visual Studio 2005 to jump into the code and do what is
> needed to remove the old toolbar code and either stub it out or replace it
> with whatever would be most appropriate via other open-source toolkits.

Chris, did you ever find anyone to take care of this? I remember meeting Lutz at
the SIGGRAPH in Orlando, FL in the mid 90s and talking to him about the Moray
code, he was so enthusiatic.

I've been using Visual C++ since v1.0 and I use Visual Studio every day (I
upgraded to VS 2008 a couple of months ago but it's fully compatible with VS
2005). I'd be happy to help out if needed.

-Rob


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From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: MORAY programmers wanted
Date: 8 Jul 2008 02:38:11
Message: <48730b53$1@news.povray.org>
Robert McGregor wrote:
> Chris Cason <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote:
>> As many of you would be aware, POV-Ray now owns the Moray source code base.
>> We will be re-releasing this under the GPL3 once it is in working order.
>> However the main issue at this point is that Moray used a commercial
>> component in its tool bar, which we obviously cannot re-license. Thus, to
>> get a working Moray executable we at this time need someone who is
>> proficient with Visual Studio 2005 to jump into the code and do what is
>> needed to remove the old toolbar code and either stub it out or replace it
>> with whatever would be most appropriate via other open-source toolkits.
> 
> Chris, did you ever find anyone to take care of this? I remember meeting Lutz at
> the SIGGRAPH in Orlando, FL in the mid 90s and talking to him about the Moray
> code, he was so enthusiatic.
> 
> I've been using Visual C++ since v1.0 and I use Visual Studio every day (I
> upgraded to VS 2008 a couple of months ago but it's fully compatible with VS
> 2005). I'd be happy to help out if needed.

I only just saw this message (the thread had scrolled out of view). Thanks
for the offer - I'll drop you an email.

-- Chris


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From: TomN
Subject: Re: MORAY programmers wanted
Date: 19 Jul 2008 00:05:01
Message: <web.48816753fdef6e0e494212ef0@news.povray.org>
+1 to WTL. Great way to quickly code UI in C++.

I'm hitting an annoying bug in Moray and went to download the source and fix but
found this thread instead.

If this project is still under-staffed, then I'd like to contribute. I'm worked
on shipping products using VC 2005, C++, WTL.

Contact me directly and I'll give resume details.

tni### [at] poboxcom


"John D. Gwinner" <john punctuation gwinner punc cornell punc edu> wrote:
> If WTL can be used for this, then I can do it easily.  I've done a lot of
> Windows SDK stuff lately direct without MFC in any event.
>
>   I'm on vacation next Wednesday, however, so I don't know how fast I can do
> it.
>
>   I have done some Moray development too, so I may even be somewhat familiar
> with some of the data structures, in a small way.  This should be all GUI
> stuff though.
>
>            == John ==
>
>   The email address is an alumni benefit, @cornell.edu and redirects to my
> (current) work address.
>
> "Chris Cason" <del### [at] deletethistoopovrayorg> wrote in
> message news:47d666ff$1@news.povray.org...
> > As many of you would be aware, POV-Ray now owns the Moray source code
> > base.
> > We will be re-releasing this under the GPL3 once it is in working order.
> > However the main issue at this point is that Moray used a commercial
> > component in its tool bar, which we obviously cannot re-license. Thus, to
> > get a working Moray executable we at this time need someone who is
> > proficient with Visual Studio 2005 to jump into the code and do what is
> > needed to remove the old toolbar code and either stub it out or replace it
> > with whatever would be most appropriate via other open-source toolkits.
> >
> > It is longer-term a goal of ours to have Moray move to being a cross-
> > platform tool, however I'm not sure if it is wise to do both of the above
> > at once (i.e. skip the basic 'get it up and working' and go straight to
> > the
> > full conversion). I'd like to see something working sooner rather than
> > later;]
> >
> > In either event, we're seeking some enthusiastic coders from the community
> > who may be interested in taking this. I thought it would be fair to ask
> > here, on our own news server, first, prior to making it more public.
> >
> > Note that we do ask of the coders who volunteer that they be willing to
> > devote a reasonable amount of time into the project in the short to medium
> > term, since this is when their time will be needed most.
> >
> > Anyone who is interested feel free to reply to this post [followup set to
> > povray.general] or email me direct.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > -- Chris


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From: Chris Cason
Subject: Re: MORAY programmers wanted
Date: 21 Jul 2008 23:00:34
Message: <48854d52@news.povray.org>
TomN wrote:
> +1 to WTL. Great way to quickly code UI in C++.
> 
> I'm hitting an annoying bug in Moray and went to download the source and fix but
> found this thread instead.
> 
> If this project is still under-staffed, then I'd like to contribute. I'm worked
> on shipping products using VC 2005, C++, WTL.
> 
> Contact me directly and I'll give resume details.
> 
> tni### [at] poboxcom

thanks, I'll drop you a line.

regards,

-- Chris


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From: EdK
Subject: Re: MORAY programmers wanted
Date: 14 Jul 2010 16:30:00
Message: <web.4c3e1d73fdef6e0e88eb5e0c0@news.povray.org>
Warp <war### [at] tagpovrayorg> wrote:
> PdizzyD <pet### [at] amxinccom> wrote:
> > I am not a C++ programmer but do know C and Java.
>
>   I'm sorry if I sound blunt, but personally I would recommend having
> real C++ experience. Both C and Java experience are actually rather
> counter-productive for someone who then tries to program in C++ for
> the first time (and the combination of both C and Java may make things
> even worse).
>
>   This is because programming practices which are good in C, and especially
> programming practices which are good in Java, are often programming practices
> which are bad in C++. C++ may resemble both C and Java, but it really isn't.
> What may be a good idea in one of those latter languages may often be a bad
> idea in C++.
>
>   Please don't take this personally. I just have seen C++ code written by
> Java programmers which has been quite horrible. (I'm not saying you would
> create such code, but it seems to be a common trend. Java simply teaches
> "bad habits" from the point of view of C++ programming.)
>
> --
>                                                           - Warp

I have almost 20 years experience with C++, if you are still looking.

   -EdK


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